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They revealed those in the most recent Warcry book, weeks before the showed off all the models.
Not the miniatures in full. The Warcry Battletome only showed a small picture of their face as part of their profiles. So stop making it sound like GW actually showed everything before for those - they didn't.
As for the people overhyping themselves for the previews and all the time assuming it will be BIG, it's just natural. We're used with the Warhammer Community hyping us all the time with a constant feed of information - even when it is small, there is not one day without an article showing us something Warhammer.
So when the information become less satisfying and more filling the gaps because the pandemic slows down everything, it shows.
TBH, I believe the way Social Medias work in general is shaping our brain to constantly crave for news on a shorter periode of time because of that daily feed. The solution may be to cut ourselves from that for a bit of time, and enjoy things when they really come. This "pre-order / hype for the future" culture is what is really maddening.
I can't agree more. GW gives full model previews of models we've only seen bits of and people complain they already seen them.
I guess the only think right GW can do is provide less previews so that people are disappointed with the few they get.
Let's not forget how weird it is that people are crying about lack of previews in the first place. If it were a lack of new product then yeah, I could sympathise somewhat, but feeling aggrieved that there aren't enough previews of new product is super lame.
If they didn't exist, there wouldn't be anything for the people who like to complain about complainers to complain about. It's a neat, self-perpetuating ecosystem.
AngryAngel80 wrote: I like the old Lelith model, I'll just go ahead and say that. This one looks..off to me. I like that it is plastic but..eh ? I'm not sure why they couldn't have brought back an old character with a redesign.
Redoing a character in a faithful manner is, in my experience, not a simple matter. Even if the same sculptor does it, they might have acquired new ideas, methods and design standards in the meantime, and work with improved tools that let them do things differently. It can get worse if a different sculptor is put on the job who may bring a different perspective, if not an outright different outlook on a character.
Think of Fabius Bile for a moment. They completely redid his face even though the old one was sculpted well for the time and left its mark for twenty years. Yet somehow, someone was of the opinion that the face wasn't right and needed a complete change. What was the point of that? Who knows?
In my opinion GW simply doesn't have a manager that reins sculptors in and occasionally says "do this, but crisper". There's no consistent culture of consistency at GW, so we get a lot of redesigned models that hit or miss entirely on the basis of whether the sculptor "gets it".
I can completely agree, Fabius was a very dated model though, as was Ragnar when they replaced him to give a marine example and Mephiston, etc. Lelith really didn't need a re do and I'd argue the new model in plastic isn't any crisper at all. The issue for me is the older Lelith is still sculpted better when considering the new one, granted that is a taste thing but there are some oddities with the new sculpt that aren't " better tooling ".
Like don't me wrong I don't think its awful, it just feels kind of un needed when DE have lost so many characters over time and I think I can say most DE players would have loved to get a returning, re done character. I mean Drazhar I feel anyways wasn't a bad call to redo as he was also a very old model. Lelith was working well, but for being finestuff, outside the safer nature of plastic I can imagine most who have the metal version of the old lelith sculpt will probably not be rushing out to dubiously upgrade.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Call me crazy but my favourite pose for models is "both legs on the ground"
I've been feeling the same since the plastic harlies came out years ago. They are awesome minis, but just because plastics have improved and GWcan make things super-dynamic, doesn't mean they have to.
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AngryAngel80 wrote: I like the old Lelith model, I'll just go ahead and say that. This one looks..off to me. I like that it is plastic but..eh ? I'm not sure why they couldn't have brought back an old character with a redesign.
Redoing a character in a faithful manner is, in my experience, not a simple matter. Even if the same sculptor does it, they might have acquired new ideas, methods and design standards in the meantime, and work with improved tools that let them do things differently. It can get worse if a different sculptor is put on the job who may bring a different perspective, if not an outright different outlook on a character.
Think of Fabius Bile for a moment. They completely redid his face even though the old one was sculpted well for the time and left its mark for twenty years. Yet somehow, someone was of the opinion that the face wasn't right and needed a complete change. What was the point of that? Who knows?
In my opinion GW simply doesn't have a manager that reins sculptors in and occasionally says "do this, but crisper". There's no consistent culture of consistency at GW, so we get a lot of redesigned models that hit or miss entirely on the basis of whether the sculptor "gets it".
I can completely agree, Fabius was a very dated model though, as was Ragnar when they replaced him to give a marine example and Mephiston, etc. Lelith really didn't need a re do and I'd argue the new model in plastic isn't any crisper at all. The issue for me is the older Lelith is still sculpted better when considering the new one, granted that is a taste thing but there are some oddities with the new sculpt that aren't " better tooling ".
Like don't me wrong I don't think its awful, it just feels kind of un needed when DE have lost so many characters over time and I think I can say most DE players would have loved to get a returning, re done character. I mean Drazhar I feel anyways wasn't a bad call to redo as he was also a very old model. Lelith was working well, but for being finestuff, outside the safer nature of plastic I can imagine most who have the metal version of the old lelith sculpt will probably not be rushing out to dubiously upgrade.
I just wish it was a returning model is all.
Yeah, it's a shame GW has such extreme ideas for army updates. It didn't do Necrons any good getting a single character every three of four years since the large 2011 update, and now that's been made up for by a deluge of model releases for a largely plastic army that didn't really need that much to be in a good place. All the while other armies get to sit it out with nothing or just a single character with their codex update, waiting their turn for the big time. That's not to mention the role of Marine slant that gets people riled up a lot lately. I don't get why GW won't spread out the love a little more and give all armies smaller, but more frequent releases. Seems like a no brainer to me to keep a larger portion of customers happy over time than let segments of the customer base wait for years and years and either see them get bitter over it or quit entirely.
Dark Eldar have been on the receiving end of that in the most extreme way with all the dropped unit entries. Truth be told, as much as I love my Necrons I would have happily just gotten plastic Fayled Ones and a C'tan and seen a substantial update to the pointy ears instead (icky as they are ). Even with Marine slant it shouldn't be so hard to bring the remaining armies up to par instead of letting them languish.
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Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
Yeah that is all I'm saying, people wouldn't be so mad if it didn't feel like you just languished till you almost give up then get something.
I mean sisters got some good stuff but after how long ? Dark Eldar got some good stuff with their last big update now a long time ago but that was the first touch in how long ?
GW breed the discontent and toss out crumbs when really you'd love a whole loaf of bread at this point. It's just befuddling and little drops like this box for DE and Sisters doesn't really scratch that itch, just makes you wish they'd do more.
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AngryAngel80 wrote: I like the old Lelith model, I'll just go ahead and say that. This one looks..off to me. I like that it is plastic but..eh ? I'm not sure why they couldn't have brought back an old character with a redesign.
Redoing a character in a faithful manner is, in my experience, not a simple matter. Even if the same sculptor does it, they might have acquired new ideas, methods and design standards in the meantime, and work with improved tools that let them do things differently. It can get worse if a different sculptor is put on the job who may bring a different perspective, if not an outright different outlook on a character.
Think of Fabius Bile for a moment. They completely redid his face even though the old one was sculpted well for the time and left its mark for twenty years. Yet somehow, someone was of the opinion that the face wasn't right and needed a complete change. What was the point of that? Who knows?
In my opinion GW simply doesn't have a manager that reins sculptors in and occasionally says "do this, but crisper". There's no consistent culture of consistency at GW, so we get a lot of redesigned models that hit or miss entirely on the basis of whether the sculptor "gets it".
I work in a company that has been redesigning ingame models for a decade and there are many factors at work and I would be surprised if GW didn't have the same.
* New Art Director. This can change a lot as art directors have different tastes. One might hate certain colors or forms or something, then they leave and another comes instead.
* New artists. Each artist has a wildly different aesthetic from another. Sure, there are copycats out there, but they don't really bring anything to the table except copycat skills and they really don't help with keeping the art and design alive.
* New tools provide different techniques that enable new approaches. This usually does not result in big changes except faster speed and more detail.
* Then there is the key factor: The artists/director were never happy with the original design to begin with. It might have been too simple at the time or did not convey well enough what they wanted in game. This means that there is a larger redesign to get things more in line with what they envisioned.
* Extra bit: Concept Art is not always how the end product looks like. During the entire process the Art Director and the team can find flaws in the Concept Art or discover issues that won't translate well into a 3D model. Changes will be made and it is always good to keep in mind that this process is a collaborative process where multiple artists often have an input in the final design.
Nice elaboration, very much along the lines of what I was thinking.
Unfortunately I know the artist's mind all too well and the one thing I see consistently missing is outside consideration. It's always the artist's vision that's at the center, never any consideration for whether something, no matter how flawed it may have been in the artist's mind, found an audience and it's a show of disrespect to take that away again in the name of pursuing a better vision.
GW has a studio manager—who was a sculptor. He’s not going to rein in anyone. He has commented how his own sculpts never lived up to his own sketches. He also admits that models are sculpted then rules and fluff created. It’s selling minis that makes them money and there are a lot more minis sold than games being played. ~casually sidesteps to block line of sight to cupboard of shame~
Chairman Aeon wrote: He also admits that models are sculpted then rules and fluff created.
And this right here is why GW has problems both with consistency, game balance, and art. It's a relic of Alan Merritt, IMHO who loved to decide what was canon at any given moment, and who's positions on certain issues and how they are represented in 40k in particular have indirectly led to locked threads.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
Over things from the video are
- moar knights & AdMech
- more Luminelves (someone flying on a cloud, some kind of possibly non-horse cavalry?),
- actually a Vampire Hunter
- a wight or some other semi-squishy undead?
I like the seer and the swordsman. The rest of the model doesn't seem interesting to me at first glance. Also it's pretty meh he's a special character.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
Hoping lumineth but wave 2 within year would be unusual(within slightly over half a year due to corona delaying initial wjve)
They're definitely Lumineth. Not familiar with the lore, but these seem like the Sky followers as opposed to the Stone ones that came in the first lot.
Tim the Biovore wrote: Big fella does not disappoint. Seems we were bang on about there being a witch hunter, but I wasn't expecting that undead Santa looking bloke.
Hoping lumineth but wave 2 within year would be unusual(within slightly over half a year due to corona delaying initial wjve)
They're definitely Lumineth. Not familiar with the lore, but these seem like the Sky followers as opposed to the Stone ones that came in the first lot.
Oh there's tons of lumineth to be released but with original release day of june by march seems early. Only stormcast have got 2nd wave in aos. Lumineth getting wave 2 when other older factions are still waiting expansion seems odd. Not that i complain(well wallet would...).
Whole tyrion side with tyrion, scouts, chariots, artirelly, martial rather than wizards, 3 more elements...
Sooo at ~0:21, the mount seems to be a bit larger than a horse and has a really long neck? Camels, or dare we hope for ... Chocobo riders? (Chicken Elves incoming!!)
Definitely wind temple Lumineth in there. It felt like half an army when it was released. I’m glad it’s being expanded soon. The details on that witch hunter look great. Can’t wait to see the full model.
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It was less than half actually. Teclis&Tyrion sides and 4 element.
Surprised it wasnt Teclis and 2 elements first leading to Tyrion & 2 elements book later. Maybe this is just 1 element with Tyrion and 2 elements left later.
Hoping lumineth but wave 2 within year would be unusual(within slightly over half a year due to corona delaying initial wjve)
It's Lumineth. Specifically, the Wind Temple.
They have long-legged steeds with archers as the basic unit and cloud-riding mages.
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tneva82 wrote: It was less than half actually. Teclis&Tyrion sides and 4 element.
Surprised it wasnt Teclis and 2 elements first leading to Tyrion & 2 elements book later. Maybe this is just 1 element with Tyrion and 2 elements left later.
The Elementari are tied to Teclis not Tyrion though.
The Tyrionic stuff is more 'traditional'. Scouts, warmachines, cavalry, etc.
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MobileSuitRandom wrote: Sooo at ~0:21, the mount seems to be a bit larger than a horse and has a really long neck? Camels, or dare we hope for ... Chocobo riders? (Chicken Elves incoming!!)
Description in the book was "long-legged steeds". They don't name exactly what they are...but the Wind Temple seems to be focused in the more arid/desert-y areas.
Also there's a cool description of the Aelementari Spirit. Fox-faced and an archer.
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MobileSuitRandom wrote: Sooo at ~0:21, the mount seems to be a bit larger than a horse and has a really long neck? Camels, or dare we hope for ... Chocobo riders? (Chicken Elves incoming!!)
Camels feel most likely as far as actual animal mounts go, the neck armour suggests it's not something that would lower its head to charge, like something with antlers, and the second teaser shot shows rear leg armour, so it's not bipedal. Could be something entirely fictional too, but the above flavour text giving the subfaction a desert feel makes camels a decent bet.
Also, I'd guess the fast turn around on Lumineth might have something to do with how wide a net a generic elf faction casts, especially when compared to other AoS factions like Fyreslayers and Kharadrons that pigeonholed themselves into a specific aspect of their original parent faction.
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Kanluwen wrote: Also there's a cool description of the Aelementari Spirit. Fox-faced and an archer.
Now that's something to look forward to
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2021 looks to be pretty underwhelming if this video is anyhting to go by, yikes. It's almost like the video was cut to about a 10th of it's content as GDubs realized "Feth, we probably can't even release what we had planned for 4th quarter 2020, let alone a lot of new content for 2021"
So glad we had such a massive non needed space marine release to last us 9+ months. Might be a good time to get back to playing some Team Yankee or FOW.
bullyboy wrote: 2021 looks to be pretty underwhelming if this video is anyhting to go by, yikes. It's almost like the video was cut to about a 10th of it's content as GDubs realized "Feth, we probably can't even release what we had planned for 4th quarter 2020, let alone a lot of new content for 2021"
So glad we had such a massive non needed space marine release to last us 9+ months. Might be a good time to get back to playing some Team Yankee or FOW.
Seeing they generally show only 3 months ahead and not every model...just how many models you expect in 3 months? 10 armies and new game?
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bullyboy wrote: 2021 looks to be pretty underwhelming if this video is anyhting to go by, yikes. It's almost like the video was cut to about a 10th of it's content as GDubs realized "Feth, we probably can't even release what we had planned for 4th quarter 2020, let alone a lot of new content for 2021"
So glad we had such a massive non needed space marine release to last us 9+ months. Might be a good time to get back to playing some Team Yankee or FOW.
Near future. Not all of 2021.
Expect a third edition of AoS in the middle of the year and potentially a new Middle-Earth starter set too, as both are due in keeping with the three year cycle that seems to be working theory on edition updates. They wouldn't spoil that this far away from the date
Not really, it's going to take the first 3 months just to catch up with what else we have seen. Hedonites, Drukhari vs sisters box (plus drukhari codex), Dark Angels and the 6-7 marine kit still needing to be released. Throw in some of this new stuff in second quarter (Knights/AT, admech character, lumineth, and what ever else was in there) and we're already halfway done, especially if Covid continues to disrupt. 9th 40K is really turning into a gap year as we won't see much play for at least 3 months, at a minimum.
Heresy World Eaters/Emperors Children 
). Even with Marine slant it shouldn't be so hard to bring the remaining armies up to par instead of letting them languish.
