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I’m going with an Inquisitor + retinue as one side in a new Kill Team box to replace Rogue Trader and a team of fantasy “explorers” for a Warhammer Quest replacement for Blackstone Fortress. And all these snapshots will be revealed to be part of a “movie poster” style line-up of both teams.

 Jadenim wrote:
I’m going with an Inquisitor + retinue as one side in a new Kill Team box to replace Rogue Trader and a team of fantasy “explorers” for a Warhammer Quest replacement for Blackstone Fortress. And all these snapshots will be revealed to be part of a “movie poster” style line-up of both teams.

Why would they reveal them so fast after The Rumour Engines though?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:
I’m going with an Inquisitor + retinue as one side in a new Kill Team box to replace Rogue Trader and a team of fantasy “explorers” for a Warhammer Quest replacement for Blackstone Fortress. And all these snapshots will be revealed to be part of a “movie poster” style line-up of both teams.

Why would they reveal them so fast after The Rumour Engines though?

Isn't that the point of an advent calendar? You get what's behind the little doors, not get stuck staring at pieces of an elephant through a keyhole indefinitely.

Yeah, they already do a weekly one that we sit wondering for ages.
It’d be nice to have all these drop at once (as we know they all link together mostly etc).

Last year, aside from Ork boot and a few others, didn’t we find out most straight away pretty much?

My Hopes:

40k:

- Night Lords upgrade sprue/Night Lords new unit
- Black templars Supplement
- Dark Mechanicum

AoS:

- Soulblight that are just armoured Knight Vampires (I want an army of not-Blood Dragon Vampires)

LoTR:

- To start focussing on Khazad-Dum, Moria needs a complete range and some new Khazad Guard would be nice
- New Fiefdoms models. I'd happily buy some plastic Men-at-Arms.

Specialist Games:

- New Kill-Team that isn't a 40k C+P. take the lens off the main factions and focus on some of the more nice and quirky stuff like they did with Rouge Trader. Inquisitor retinues, Xenos that wouldn't make a full faction (like all those unique Xenos you see in that montage artwork in 9th ed. rulebook and such).

- New BFG. I want a Night Lords Fleet!!

I'd love if they reworked Killteam to be Warcry in space essentially in terms of how it works/what warbands it gets.

I would be surprised if they didn't re-work Kill Team to be less '40K Lite' and more something like Necromunda/Warcry. It is a squad based skirmish game and though it is fun, it would benefit more from a bespoke rules set based around that size of game.

I am hoping the Inquisition stuff is a new Kill Team warband and I would absolutely love a new warhammer quest game based in the Age of Sigmar. Get back to good old fashioned fantasy dungeon crawling!

Voss wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:
I’m going with an Inquisitor + retinue as one side in a new Kill Team box to replace Rogue Trader and a team of fantasy “explorers” for a Warhammer Quest replacement for Blackstone Fortress. And all these snapshots will be revealed to be part of a “movie poster” style line-up of both teams.

Why would they reveal them so fast after The Rumour Engines though?

Isn't that the point of an advent calendar? You get what's behind the little doors, not get stuck staring at pieces of an elephant through a keyhole indefinitely.

I think assuming that GW knows the purpose of an advent calendar is giving them too much credit.

Well if they really wanted to do and advent calendar it wold all be stuff we already knew about,

it's a celebration of a know story, not a revelation of the new

so we're better off with their current interpretation

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
... I would absolutely love a new warhammer quest game based in the Age of Sigmar. Get back to good old fashioned fantasy dungeon crawling!

I'd like that, too. I don't begrudge 40k getting a Warhammer Quest, but I can't get exited about it either. Fantasy settings for dungeon crawls are just too ingrained with me.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:
I’m going with an Inquisitor + retinue as one side in a new Kill Team box to replace Rogue Trader and a team of fantasy “explorers” for a Warhammer Quest replacement for Blackstone Fortress. And all these snapshots will be revealed to be part of a “movie poster” style line-up of both teams.

Why would they reveal them so fast after The Rumour Engines though?

Isn't that the point of an advent calendar? You get what's behind the little doors, not get stuck staring at pieces of an elephant through a keyhole indefinitely.

I think assuming that GW knows the purpose of an advent calendar is giving them too much credit.

GW has no shortage of problems, but you're much too negative about this advent rumor engine thing. The concept of advent calendar themed marketing isn't new to GW.

 Oguhmek wrote:
Mordheim 2021 would be an awesome first.

Honestly I'm kind of at the stage where I hope GW leave their classic stuff alone at this point. It's pretty evident that their revivals are aimed more at new players and people who used to play them but stopped ages ago, rather than the people who still play and enjoy the classic versions, and I very much still enjoy Mordheim.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
Mordheim 2021 would be an awesome first.

Honestly I'm kind of at the stage where I hope GW leave their classic stuff alone at this point. It's pretty evident that their revivals are aimed more at new players and people who used to play them but stopped ages ago, rather than the people who still play and enjoy the classic versions, and I very much still enjoy Mordheim.

I'm of two minds how that could go. An AoS Mordheim would certainly suffer from worse, novel interpretations the likes of which plague Necromunda, and to tie in with the existing AoS rules would probably present a shallow, modern overhaul of the system. Never mind the grave robbing aspect that all the AoS characters went through that somehow survived the literal end of the world. That might leave an unsavory mark on the new version.

That said, given that we have Warcry as an AoS side game that does skirmishes with a divergent rule set, I'm not sure that AoS Mordheim would ever be conceived while GW supports Warcry.

On the other hand, while we don't have a clear idea how Warhammer: The Old World is going to shake out, if GW is determined to cater to people who liked the old setting the way it used to be (there can be doubts about the extent of that), a new version of Mordheim could still be a reasonable representation of the original. It would require GW to actively hold back from introducing things they are prone to come up with these days (not very likely to happen, in my opinion), but if that was actually set as a design goal, we could get lucky and end up with a flavorful game with shiny new sculpts.

I hope they keep the sling-spam in, it was the best way to play the well-balanced game :3

My hopes are:

- Mordheim (I know, I know) (set in the old world)
- News on Warhammer fantasy
- Love for the Xenos (especially new ork boys and Tyranid genestealers/gaunts)
- Tecnhobarbarians
-Vamps for AoS (the only realistic thing out of the wishpist)

Also a re release of beastmen for Underworlds? Separately from the Beastgrave and without card (the same treatment other warbands got)

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
My hopes are:

- Mordheim (I know, I know) (set in the old world)
- News on Warhammer fantasy
- Love for the Xenos (especially new ork boys and Tyranid genestealers/gaunts)
- Tecnhobarbarians
-Vamps for AoS (the only realistic thing out of the wishpist)

Also a re release of beastmen for Underworlds? Separately from the Beastgrave and without card (the same treatment other warbands got)

They won’t do Grashaks warband separate yet I wouldn’t have thought, isn’t it normally after that seasons cards are no longer in use?
As most (all?) of nightvault isn’t available models only yet?

Danny76 wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
My hopes are:

- Mordheim (I know, I know) (set in the old world)
- News on Warhammer fantasy
- Love for the Xenos (especially new ork boys and Tyranid genestealers/gaunts)
- Tecnhobarbarians
-Vamps for AoS (the only realistic thing out of the wishpist)

Also a re release of beastmen for Underworlds? Separately from the Beastgrave and without card (the same treatment other warbands got)

They won’t do Grashaks warband separate yet I wouldn’t have thought, isn’t it normally after that seasons cards are no longer in use?
As most (all?) of nightvault isn’t available models only yet?

Gak, you’re right.. I wanted to get some
Beastmen for mordheim, but I don’t want to get stuck with wood elves from beastgrave, nor to miss out on the beastmen minis.
It is kind of odd, that they haven’t released Nightvault warbands separately. I guess it would make sence for Stormcasts, since they have so many warbands, but it would be a shame, if Beastmen just vanish afterwards.

Danny76 wrote:

They won’t do Grashaks warband separate yet I wouldn’t have thought, isn’t it normally after that seasons cards are no longer in use?
As most (all?) of nightvault isn’t available models only yet?

In previous years, they have released the 'easy build no card standard non-colored plastic' sets as Direct Only within a few months of the warband's releases.

Beastgrave was the first set we saw none of those for.


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SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

Gak, you’re right.. I wanted to get some
Beastmen for mordheim, but I don’t want to get stuck with wood elves from beastgrave, nor to miss out on the beastmen minis.
It is kind of odd, that they haven’t released Nightvault warbands separately. I guess it would make sence for Stormcasts, since they have so many warbands, but it would be a shame, if Beastmen just vanish afterwards.

It's Beastgrave that did not see any separate warband releases. Nightvault has them all out. You just need to look in the actual faction sections under Age of Sigmar, not Underworlds, because the releases were done since the stuff got added into battletomes.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Danny76 wrote:

They won’t do Grashaks warband separate yet I wouldn’t have thought, isn’t it normally after that seasons cards are no longer in use?
As most (all?) of nightvault isn’t available models only yet?

In previous years, they have released the 'easy build no card standard non-colored plastic' sets as Direct Only within a few months of the warband's releases.

Beastgrave was the first set we saw none of those for.


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SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

Gak, you’re right.. I wanted to get some
Beastmen for mordheim, but I don’t want to get stuck with wood elves from beastgrave, nor to miss out on the beastmen minis.
It is kind of odd, that they haven’t released Nightvault warbands separately. I guess it would make sence for Stormcasts, since they have so many warbands, but it would be a shame, if Beastmen just vanish afterwards.

It's Beastgrave that did not see any separate warband releases. Nightvault has them all out. You just need to look in the actual faction sections under Age of Sigmar, not Underworlds, because the releases were done since the stuff got added into battletomes.

Ah, gotcha

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/12/23/an-update-on-warhammer-releases-in-2021/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GW_23rd_December_Brexit_ENG&utm_content=&utm_term=_&m_i=OguOx8T9NF7%2BaR9SFhvVNwaFLZ3_mP2ytuA9BL2W5bv47OfQKf4ruV7BOIf0fgbpZ5gMItj8eU5TcSjU6F_0x07aX8W8Ol

New AoS faction being shown/teased on Christmas Day.

And for EU customers, GW have said they’ll shoulder the cost of customs fees due to Brexit.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/12/23/an-update-on-warhammer-releases-in-2021/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GW_23rd_December_Brexit_ENG&utm_content=&utm_term=_&m_i=OguOx8T9NF7%2BaR9SFhvVNwaFLZ3_mP2ytuA9BL2W5bv47OfQKf4ruV7BOIf0fgbpZ5gMItj8eU5TcSjU6F_0x07aX8W8Ol

New AoS faction being shown/teased on Christmas Day.

And for EU customers, GW have said they’ll shoulder the cost of customs fees due to Brexit.

they didn't say a new faction, they've stated a new battletome. So it could be a replacement, so Slaanesh might get a new battletome after all

It would be very strange if that battletome is not slaanesh's.

And with these delays, my hopes of seeing a lot of new things in this preview are dispelled..

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

- Love for the Xenos (especially new ork boys and Tyranid genestealers/gaunts)

This. Add also LoW for nids and plastic vores/lictor.

I assume the new battletome would be for the new undead army. Though I guess Hedonites makes sense, tho not sure why they wouldn't just reveal it already

 GaroRobe wrote:
I assume the new battletome would be for the new undead army. Though I guess Hedonites makes sense, tho not sure why they wouldn't just reveal it already

GW is allergic to worthwhile reveals

My guess for the new battletome is vampires or whatever the idea behind all those undead rumor engines is.

Hedonites already have a book and since we are in the middle of a campaign book series, I'd expect the new models for the army to be introduced in a campaign book as an expansion of the battletome.

An entirely new faction, however, I don't see GW release as part of a campaign book. It would lack that foundation any other army has by having it established in the complete package of background, images and rules a full battletome offers.

There's really only two doubts I have on that matter, that I'll happily put aside until we know more:

First, we just don't know if a full vampire faction is coming or if the rumor engine pictures we saw are just for Warhammer Quest, Warcry, Underworlds or all of them.

Second, GW explicitly announced Codex Supplement Dark Angels for January (a release time which is now in doubt for unrelated reasons) and a couple of weeks later acted all mysterious about what that book in January might be,

On the first one, until we see more I think there's too many things teased to fit just one Underworlds or Warcry band, and we'd have to get models for several games or at least a new Warhammer Quest with specific adversary focus on those undead to fit in all the teased stuff. 40k Warhammer Quest is finished for now, so that may happen, but it's no less a guess than a full AoS vampire army, and since we know there's a mystery battletome coming I'm gravitating towards placing the unresolved rumor engines there.

On the second point, I don't know if GW was just drunk or if they lost the plot, but unless it's the latter I don't see why they would be so open about a range of mortal Slaaneshi followers coming, including a large though incomplete model preview, only to act coy about an updated Hedonite battletome. It's less plausible to hide the cover of the book if it was for Hedonites than if it was for vampire undead thingies.

It’s almost certainly Slaanesh. They were originally meant to be January, and DG December (from their coin thing they’re doing in stores), so it lines up time wise. It’s also a pretty damn sizeable release that I could easily see them doing an updated tome for rather than a campaign book. It would be pretty unlikely for a new army sized Slaanesh expansion and a new battletome for some new Death force to come out that quickly, and if the Death thing was due out first (if it’s even coming for AoS proper), it would have been revealed first, before Slaanesh stuff.

Queue plastic Thunderhawk and Lionel Johnson jokes I guess

zamerion wrote:
It would be very strange if that battletome is not slaanesh's.

And with these delays, my hopes of seeing a lot of new things in this preview are dispelled..

You're not new to Dakka or GW previews at this point. Stop hyping yourself up.

Even if the preview is just the updated Hedonites book, guess what? There's still a good chunk of stuff we haven't seen outside of shots from the WarCry books which do not seem to have shown off full models. We know there's Slaangors, we know there's archers, we know there's mounted archers...but we don't know what the kits are really going to actually look like.


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 ImAGeek wrote:
It’s almost certainly Slaanesh. They were originally meant to be January, and DG December (from their coin thing they’re doing in stores), so it lines up time wise. It’s also a pretty damn sizeable release that I could easily see them doing an updated tome for rather than a campaign book. It would be pretty unlikely for a new army sized Slaanesh expansion and a new battletome for some new Death force to come out that quickly, and if the Death thing was due out first (if it’s even coming for AoS proper), it would have been revealed first, before Slaanesh stuff.

Agreed. While it might seem strange to "hide the Hedonites book", the assumption that they are going to be in a campaign book does at least make a kind of sense for why they might confirm it.

We know there's a Soulblight warband coming for Underworlds. We do not know what the rumor engine stuff ties to, but it might be a shot at a rework of Legions of Nagash coming down the road.

I agree that the February release is probably Slaanesh.

I'm guessing we'll see more pictures of them on Christmas. Probably along with the Seraphon Underworlds band in full, something new for Warcry, something about Kill Team, and maybe something about a new AoS Warhammer Quest if that is coming along.

watching warhammer youtube channel, there is a private video in direchasm list. So I imagine we will see the lizards in full.


I have not seen any other private video.