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That paragon warsuit looks fething stupid to me.

It looks like they started assembling it and just gave up halfway through.


Regarding AoS, is Lumineth not the elf faction? Why does it have cowmen and now fox-people?

That aside, this fox dude seems like a potentially good model, which has been ruined by the designers sticking a pile of unnecessary crap to him. Why did he need to be riding atop a stupid pillar of swirling nonsense? Is it supposed to represent GW's own vortex of ineptitude? And if it's meant to be a fox, why does it need a pair of horns? They just look completely stupid and out of place. It's a shame because I think the mask is actually quite nice, but the unnecessary horns ruin it completely for me.

I'm also not sure what was wrong with regular quivers or why fox-people are wilding bows when they clearly have no clue how to hold them, but these are more minor complaints.

I like the model but do have to suspend belief. As stated, if the legs are inside the suit's "legs" there are multiple issues. If it were to walk, naturally the sister would want to use normal gait, and there is no way her knee joint can flex within the location of the upper thigh. The actual groin of the sister would have to be higher than suit groin to allow the legs to fit into the suit's legs, unless they separate her pelvis upon insertion into the suit!. So anatomically, it's a complete disaster, and from simple gait mechanics, a simple no go.
The only solution is it has to be a sister without legs, placed into the suit. If that's the case, she should have some neural connection to the suit to make the "legs" walk like normal legs. That doesn't appear to be the case.

But it's 40K, it has big guns, and it wants to hit things on the head.....it's all good

epronovost wrote:
Pretty much like all the reveals so far. The Sister Paragon Suits looks like a more sensible take on the Dreadnaught since it has actual legs to move and the Dreadknight since it makes an effort to protect the pilot and doesn't look too much like a cheap exoskeleton suit. Fortunately it has the option for an helmet else it would be fairly ridiculous.

The vampires loos fine, but I'm disappointed that there are no sneak peaks into what seems to be upcomming Soulblight Vampires in April/Mai as I have been waiting to see how they would shape up to be.

They've got a backlog already. While they want to preview some stuff, they want to hedge their bets somewhat on further delays. Showing off too much would lead to even more 'why isn't <X> out yet?' We still need to push through DA, DE, Slaanesh, Cosplay elfs, Kill Team and several underworlds warbands at this point, and that will probably go into April. Probably other stuff I'm forgetting as well.

I suspect Cursed City is going to bolster Soulblight the same way Silver Tower did for Disciples of Tzeentch. And we did get a bonus character preview earlier this week (though compared to the Crimson Court and Cursed City models, Rock-Surfer Bat-hair is pants)

First thing my mind goes to upon seeing the sister suit-



And if they want to copy that style of suit, I for one am all for it!

 vipoid wrote:
That paragon warsuit looks fething stupid to me.

It looks like they started assembling it and just gave up halfway through.


Regarding AoS, is Lumineth not the elf faction? Why does it have cowmen and now fox-people?

That aside, this fox dude seems like a potentially good model, which has been ruined by the designers sticking a pile of unnecessary crap to him. Why did he need to be riding atop a stupid pillar of swirling nonsense? Is it supposed to represent GW's own vortex of ineptitude? And if it's meant to be a fox, why does it need a pair of horns? They just look completely stupid and out of place. It's a shame because I think the mask is actually quite nice, but the unnecessary horns ruin it completely for me.

I'm also not sure what was wrong with regular quivers or why fox-people are wilding bows when they clearly have no clue how to hold them, but these are more minor complaints.

They are the element of wind, named basically after the hurricane. The swirls are obviously meant to imply that, sort of like a dust devil you see here in the western US. I'm actually a big fan and this direction the Lumineth are taking just got me to buy the starter set from Amazon.

 bullyboy wrote:

They are the element of wind, named basically after the hurricane. The swirls are obviously meant to imply that, sort of like a dust devil you see here in the western US. I'm actually a big fan and this direction the Lumineth are taking just got me to buy the starter set from Amazon.

Sorry, no. I don't buy that you need a swirly mess taller than the actual model just to get across 'wind'.

 vipoid wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

They are the element of wind, named basically after the hurricane. The swirls are obviously meant to imply that, sort of like a dust devil you see here in the western US. I'm actually a big fan and this direction the Lumineth are taking just got me to buy the starter set from Amazon.

Sorry, no. I don't buy that you need a swirly mess taller than the actual model just to get across 'wind'.

Much to everyone's surprise, Play-doh was the last airbender.

 bullyboy wrote:
I like the model but do have to suspend belief. As stated, if the legs are inside the suit's "legs" there are multiple issues. If it were to walk, naturally the sister would want to use normal gait, and there is no way her knee joint can flex within the location of the upper thigh. The actual groin of the sister would have to be higher than suit groin to allow the legs to fit into the suit's legs, unless they separate her pelvis upon insertion into the suit!. So anatomically, it's a complete disaster, and from simple gait mechanics, a simple no go.
The only solution is it has to be a sister without legs, placed into the suit. If that's the case, she should have some neural connection to the suit to make the "legs" walk like normal legs. That doesn't appear to be the case.

It looks like the sister's crotch is about behind the suit's belt buckle. So her feet are probably behind the knees, meaning she'd have to goose-step around. Not a huge deal assuming some sort of cybernetic interface, as with the power armor.

But this is nothing compared to Terminator Armor levels of anatomical failure.

 vipoid wrote:
I'm also not sure what was wrong with regular quivers or why fox-people are wilding bows when they clearly have no clue how to hold them, but these are more minor complaints.

For your information the fanned quiver is used for quicker draw of arrows by horsemen. It was a common thing in East Asia where horse archery was commonplace. A bundle quiver can carry a lot of arrows but you risk grabbing more than one while reachin to it or pulling one out by accident while drawing another. Most often these types of quiver were used to carry arrows and then the archer would draw them and plant them in front of him before the battle started. Aso holding your bow on hte side is also common to relax the arm while notching a new arrow or for making a quick half draw shot at short rangge or when you are making a shot at something almost straight down at your feet. It's not the equivalent of the sideway pistol.

 vipoid wrote:


Regarding AoS, is Lumineth not the elf faction? Why does it have cowmen and now fox-people?

That aside, this fox dude seems like a potentially good model, which has been ruined by the designers sticking a pile of unnecessary crap to him. Why did he need to be riding atop a stupid pillar of swirling nonsense? Is it supposed to represent GW's own vortex of ineptitude? And if it's meant to be a fox, why does it need a pair of horns? They just look completely stupid and out of place. It's a shame because I think the mask is actually quite nice, but the unnecessary horns ruin it completely for me.

I'm also not sure what was wrong with regular quivers or why fox-people are wilding bows when they clearly have no clue how to hold them, but these are more minor complaints.

The swirl is because he's a wind guy. It could have been executed a bit better, but at least it's not as bad as the Celesant Prime. Having the fox's tapestries or whatever they are mixed in also looks kind of cool, but I'd be just as happy without it. From the angle, it's also hard to tell what exactly they're attached to.

As for why is it a mismatch of animals? Because that's what age of Sigmar does. They've got weird lizard lions (dracolines), a habit of giving everything twin tails, the Lumineth champion's mount is a bovine with paws, not hooves, I don't even know what that stormcast wizard is supposed to be on, etc. It's just the style (and probably an attempt to copyright every unique thing), and it's really hit or miss whether people like it or not. For the fox, I'm a bit more forgiving, since it's some elemental creature and honestly looks pretty cool. Also, since it's wearing a mask, you could just say it's horns are just part of it, not part of the real creature. I still don't like the moo-ntain, but this thing is cool, imo. Probably too expensive though

I won't defend the Paragon suit, however. 1) we've already got two walkers for SoB. 2)It looks like an armiger mixed with a dreadknight. 3) It's too sleek and lacks elements of other SoB units, like wood, fire/candles, etc. 4) I don't know where her feet are. Not her legs, her feet specifically. But hey, it's 40k and maybe they're literally built into the machine

Bubbatron wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:


I'm really liking the Paragon Warsuit. The gun arm doesn't look like it would be that overly weedy if we were to be looking at it from the side instead of head on.

So a Nun, in a Suit that helps her move....

Can we all agree it's a Mobile Suit Nundam.....

I'm torn between Nundam and Babe Carrier

Also! I'll point out again that GW's sculpting of hair these days is horrible.
It looks like the Nundam pilot is wearing a hat.

Could be the best preview in yonks.

Nothing on offer that I'd buy, but all good models and can't wait to see how others paint them.

The next WHQ had me worrying because I've only recently forked out for BSF and shelf space is getting very tight. Cursed City looks good but I've already got Castle Ravenloft and Frostgrave: Perilous Dark for hunting the undead on a sunday afternoon.

Not a fan of the Lumineth but that Fox-a-roo chap looks stunning! Somehow It reminds me of Ashitaka and Yakul from Princess Mononoke, somehow.

That sister looks like shes been watching a bit of Bubblegum Crisis and Monty Python. Crazy but I like it.

Direchasm Vamp team...might get them for Ravenloft and Frostgrave. Very cool...

The Daughters of Khaine stuff makes me wish I'd not bothered with 40K and chipped everything into AoS instead. How ****ing cool is that giant snake?

Bravo GW for mixing it up this time.

 vipoid wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

They are the element of wind, named basically after the hurricane. The swirls are obviously meant to imply that, sort of like a dust devil you see here in the western US. I'm actually a big fan and this direction the Lumineth are taking just got me to buy the starter set from Amazon.

Sorry, no. I don't buy that you need a swirly mess taller than the actual model just to get across 'wind'.

You got it backwards.

Miniature designers in the corner office made a model with swirly hurricane cause it is cool.

The rejects in the basement writing fluff and rules had to make-up "something" to sell it, as usual.

Well I enjoyed that- they showed less than I expected but teased an awful lot more -if that makes sense! I was expecting to see more of the SOB and the Lumineth stuff but it seems they are getting more than expected. The Lumineth release looks like a huge addition - hopefully they start doing this for other factions. Love the vamp sculpts - really beautiful and I like the nods to the different blood lines. The lady duelist is still my favourite but the guy with the wings is excellent.
Really interested in Cursed City- hoping that is a Kurnothi hunter as opposed to a wanderer, hope the Kharadron model is good and maybe something we haven't seen [rather than just a Grundstock/Skyrigger etc..]. Happy with all that plenty to look forward to seeing more of in the upcoming months.

The Nundam... Oy. I don't get this thing GW seem to have with strapping people to the front of walkers. It made some amount of sense for the penitent engine, but here... I would have just made a Sisters Contemptor variant instead.

Swirly McSwirlybase is absurd, and will last, I expect, about three and a half seconds in the miniatures case before the base snaps off. As with so many of GW's recent character releases, would probably be badass with the swirly stuff ripped off.

The new vampire stuff all looks considerably better than Rocksurfer Lord and the Hairdresser of the Damned, so that's a plus.

And Warhammer Quest Reboot guy looks bloody fantastic.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The arms are a bit weedy too imo

They are metal. If anything, they are too thick, seeing they have no limbs inside and only carry man-portable weapons. You could probably lift whole suit, pilot and all, by one of these, not just a multimelta...

epronovost wrote:
For your information the fanned quiver is used for quicker draw of arrows by horsemen. It was a common thing in East Asia where horse archery was commonplace.

Yup, I really like how armchair experts here take one look at weapon clearly based on real life, long used design and declare it to be unrealistic

I don't think there was one recent GW release without such complains, see SM desert buggy, elf bows, vampire maces, and a ton more examples...

 vipoid wrote:
And if it's meant to be a fox, why does it need a pair of horns? They just look completely stupid and out of place. It's a shame because I think the mask is actually quite nice, but the unnecessary horns ruin it completely for me.

Design-wise, I think the horns are there to balance the model vertically. It would potentially look a little bottom heavy without them, unless you also removed the swirly gak... Although it does at least look like both horns and swirly gak would be quite easy to remove.

 Irbis wrote:

I don't think there was one recent GW release without such complains, see SM desert buggy, elf bows, vampire maces, and a ton more examples...

Honestly, everyone should know by now that real life vampires prefer maces.

Quite like the nundam, just looks a little top heavy and legless-piloty to me..

I think the sister warsuit would have been much better if it was just fully Enclosed like a dreadnought.

The SoB walker looks stupid, because it has too humanlike legs and the pilot's upper body is visible. It creates a really jarring impression of a person with bizarrely oversized legs.

The other vampires look good, actually a little surprised. Not sure if they are my fav vampires but good.

The sisters in mech suits I love. Now I admit some parts are silly and they are not for everyone to be sure. I liked centurions though, and these feel like a mix between centurions and dread knights.

Now stay with me now, I liked the centurions and dread knight despite their visual oddity flaws. So as long as these aren't obscene expensive, I'm in I'll get at least one box of them if not more. Depends on unit set up, though they look like they'd be roughly the sisters take on armiger knight.


Edit: I also like it'll drive people crazy to have to see it, sometimes that in itself is worth every penny.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:


Edit: I also like it'll drive people crazy to have to see it, sometimes that in itself is worth every penny.

It's the new Distraction Carnifex. Your opponent will be too busy trying to kill it turn one and get it off the table, they won't focus on your exorcists and immolators

The Paragon Warsuit just reminds me of the Dreadknight, but it's not quite that bad. The body part of it looks fine, and the general idea isn't terrible, but the thin arms, long dangling unsecured cables, and exposed head just make it look silly.

It would have been nice if they'd done something to tie it into the theming of the army in somehow too really, like how they've already got a Battle Pulpit and Exorcist that use the religious theming in an interesting way. The only thing that comes to mind right away is something more like having it stylized as an elaborate mobile/living statue though.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 vipoid wrote:


Regarding AoS, is Lumineth not the elf faction? Why does it have cowmen and now fox-people?

That aside, this fox dude seems like a potentially good model, which has been ruined by the designers sticking a pile of unnecessary crap to him. Why did he need to be riding atop a stupid pillar of swirling nonsense? Is it supposed to represent GW's own vortex of ineptitude? And if it's meant to be a fox, why does it need a pair of horns? They just look completely stupid and out of place. It's a shame because I think the mask is actually quite nice, but the unnecessary horns ruin it completely for me.

I'm also not sure what was wrong with regular quivers or why fox-people are wilding bows when they clearly have no clue how to hold them, but these are more minor complaints.

The swirl is because he's a wind guy. It could have been executed a bit better, but at least it's not as bad as the Celesant Prime. Having the fox's tapestries or whatever they are mixed in also looks kind of cool, but I'd be just as happy without it. From the angle, it's also hard to tell what exactly they're attached to.

The Tapestries are attached to the swirly part, i noticed it in the 2 days ago rumour pic where we saw the base and seems to be glued over a plane section of the swirly blending both parts together.
It's way more nopticeable in the black and white image.

Between the sisterbot and the Vampires/Cursed City one really has to wonder why there is such a massive gap in design quality.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 kodos wrote:
Good thing is that the Sister inside has no legs so you just need to remove the arms and get a ok looking Dreadnought like design instead of the Baby Carrier

I really don't like it but maybe they are actually piloted by sisters who have lost their limbs as alt to replacement legs?

Or could they fit there in sitting position ala tau suits?


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 vipoid wrote:

Regarding AoS, is Lumineth not the elf faction? Why does it have cowmen and now fox-people?

Eh they have one big cow and one big fox...Which are spirits.

That's like asking "isn't cities of sigmar human faction? Why does it have griffon? It's griffon faction!"

That aside, this fox dude seems like a potentially good model, which has been ruined by the designers sticking a pile of unnecessary crap to him. Why did he need to be riding atop a stupid pillar of swirling nonsense? Is it supposed to represent GW's own vortex of ineptitude? And if it's meant to be a fox, why does it need a pair of horns? They just look completely stupid and out of place. It's a shame because I think the mask is actually quite nice, but the unnecessary horns ruin it completely for me.

a) it's wind. It's wind temple
b) you assume fantasy creatures are 100% carbon copies of our world. Funny thing that. It's FANTASY world. It's own creatures born out of their own evolutionary cycle. Last time I checked AOS isn't marketed as our world X years in future.


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epronovost wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
I'm also not sure what was wrong with regular quivers or why fox-people are wilding bows when they clearly have no clue how to hold them, but these are more minor complaints.

For your information the fanned quiver is used for quicker draw of arrows by horsemen. It was a common thing in East Asia where horse archery was commonplace. A bundle quiver can carry a lot of arrows but you risk grabbing more than one while reachin to it or pulling one out by accident while drawing another. Most often these types of quiver were used to carry arrows and then the archer would draw them and plant them in front of him before the battle started. Aso holding your bow on hte side is also common to relax the arm while notching a new arrow or for making a quick half draw shot at short rangge or when you are making a shot at something almost straight down at your feet. It's not the equivalent of the sideway pistol.

Reminds me of complain here of bow that was shorter on bottom than top complaining how bad it is ignoring that it's actually real world design that has been used


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 Mentlegen324 wrote:
The Paragon Warsuit just reminds me of the Dreadknight, but it's not quite that bad. The body part of it looks fine, and the general idea isn't terrible, but the thin arms, long dangling unsecured cables, and exposed head just make it look silly.

It would have been nice if they'd done something to tie it into the theming of the army in somehow too really, like how they've already got a Battle Pulpit and Exorcist that use the religious theming in an interesting way. The only thing that comes to mind right away is something more like having it stylized as an elaborate mobile/living statue though.

BTW odds are there are helmet options. Surely people don't expect these to be exactly that 1 model in same pose only? Would look silly unit.

Is there any clue when the next preview will be?

tneva82 wrote:

BTW odds are there are helmet options. Surely people don't expect these to be exactly that 1 model in same pose only? Would look silly unit.

No need to guess. Just watch the video.

Clearly shows variants with helms, mace instead of sword, Heavy Bolter/Heavy Flamer instead of the Multi-Melta, Shoulder-Missiles instead of Shoulder-Bolters, etc.., etc.,

The Sister suit is as bad as I expected additions to the Sisters line to look. It was clear from very early on that the current model designers would fail miserably on designs where they don't have classic models to lean on.

I'm largely indifferent on Kill Team. Nice models, might be cool as a board game by itself if that is what the board is for, but I really just want a box of Flayed Ones, so it's probably not going to be of interest to me.

The titan is pretty cool. It's got that brutal Imperial design visible in some of the old sketches nailed down, but with modern sculpting. Biggerer and betterer is of no interest to me one way or another, but just based on its look it's a titan I'd like to add to my small Titanicus collection.

Lumineth aren't for me, so whatever. Spirit of the wind largely consisting of swirly crap was foreseeable.

The vampire warband is nice and of interest to me. Not too sure about wing guy, but the others certainly look nice overall.

Warhammer Quest is the standout reveal for me. What they showed looks great and I like the potential of what's hinted at. I got this weird deja vu feel from the fully shown undead model, in the kind of "cool but not Warhammer" sense like its from some video game or horror movie, but it's cool and for once the "Eavy Metal paintjob doesn't look too shabby on it. Very much looking forward to the release of this box for the models, but I hope the game will be good, too. I really liked Silver Tower, even if it was limited. A more expansive dungeon crawl game wouldn't go amiss.