What do you think about tough centerpiece models like Ghaz, C'tans and Mortarion?

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**artific3r**

I still feel like I don't see enough of the big, tough centerpiece models on the tabletop. I guess it's because most people prefer to field their own creation and not GW's.

For me it has always been a pleasant surprise to encounter a daemon primarch or a supreme commander-style unit. Most people seem to echo the sentiments in this thread and generally avoid the named warlords, so in my experience actually playing against one has been rare. People really enjoy the personalization and creativity that goes into making their own HQs.

**JNAProductions**

artific3r wrote:
I still feel like I don't see enough of the big, tough centerpiece models on the tabletop. I guess it's because most people prefer to field their own creation and not GW's.

For me it has always been a pleasant surprise to encounter a daemon primarch or a supreme commander-style unit. Most people seem to echo the sentiments in this thread and generally avoid the named warlords, so in my experience actually playing against one has been rare. People really enjoy the personalization and creativity that goes into making their own HQs.

Which is, unfortunately, not particularly well-supported mechanically.

Look at Dark Eldar. Or Necrons. Or Death Guard. They barely have any options to customize their HQs.

**jeff white**

Kall3m0n wrote:
With all you narrative guys here, I bet you don't even play it like I do, because I'm really a narrative player. Whenever a model I own gets killed, I smash it with a hammer and toss it away. My dude is dead and can therefore never be fielded again. If a tank gets exploded, I load it up with some black powder and blow it up. It blew up in the game, so it should be blown up! Get on my level, plebs!

Isn’t this on the data sheets from GW? I mean, isn’t this what we are supposed to do?

Never use named characters. Do have some older models, but use them as exarchs or commanders etc.

I agree with consensus... some nice enough models, but not good for the standard game.

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a_typical_hero wrote:
A question aimed at people who dislike the prevalence of unique characters showing up:

Let's say I want to use the rules from a special character regularely, but I proxy the model with my own kitbashed conversion and give it a custom name on top.

How do you feel about that?

If your dude who is a primarch class character hits the field in a 1000pt game, then same question arises - Why?
Is this the piece of that 100,000 pt battle playing out on all sides that happens to include the primarch class character or... he or she just rolls like that?

**Jidmah**

jeff white wrote:
If your dude who is a primarch class character hits the field in a 1000pt game, then same question arises - Why?

Because primarchs regularly join surgical strikes and aren't exactly know to have the best judgement on when it's the right time to join a battle, especially when honor, revenge or Tzeench are involved?

Why wouldn't Mortarion himself go out to personally slaughter a strike force of Ultramarines, when the whole point of his entire campaign is causing mayhem on defenseless worlds to draw out his brother?

**ccs**

jeff white wrote:
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If your dude who is a primarch class character hits the field in a 1000pt game, then same question arises - Why?
Is this the piece of that 100,000 pt battle playing out on all sides that happens to include the primarch class character or... he or she just rolls like that?

Depends on the day.

**waefre_1**

ccs wrote:
jeff white wrote:
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If your dude who is a primarch class character hits the field in a 1000pt game, then same question arises - Why?
Is this the piece of that 100,000 pt battle playing out on all sides that happens to include the primarch class character or... he or she just rolls like that?

Depends on the day.

"And the Emperor did make unto him sons, who were to be to his Angels of Death even as He unto them. Untiring in war, steadfast in courage, unstoppable in might, and unshaking in wisdom, and they knew no fear, excepting every Thursday, when they would go barmy and wander into battle alone or with few companions, and it is said that when the madness took them they would rage against '

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', and then indeed were they perilous to attend"

**BlackLobster**

Something that I posted to an old blog about six months after 8th edition dropped covered my thoughts on this and it is something that I still full agree with under 9th.

There are also complaints about the inclusion of primarchs into the game. Quite frequently I see rants about the return of "herohammer" and how these characters appear all the time and that it's not fun. If you've read this blog for even just a few entries or battle reports then you'll know that I am an extremely casual player and with that in mind I've got a couple things to share here:

1. Given the choice of an army with or without a special character, I would always say go for it. It's much more fun to see the big heroes and villains on the table rather than generic characters. The same applies to the primarchs. They are strong units but this is 8th edition where even Mortarion can be brought low by enough bolt pistols or cultists with autopistols. I don't think "herohammer" is the same issue that it was 20 odd years ago.

2. With 8th edition the timeline has advanced 100 years or so. We have at last moved into the 42nd millennium and there is something that I think players need to bare in mind:

While we are not having "end times" this is the beginning of the end. Night is falling across the Imperium. Mankind's enemies are circling, licking their blades and preparing to cut our throats. We are no longer playing meaningless battles over airless asteroids, nameless worlds or ruined cities. Games of 8th edition are now playing out the major engagements of the age. Demi-gods and monsters stride across the battlefields of the 42nd millennium like the titans of ancient legend. These are the wars that will save or destroy mankind. We need our greatest heroes and villains leading our forces across the tabletop. The future of Warhammer 40,000 is EPIC!

Don't worry about primarchs and special characters being played. This is the time to play them and enjoy the experience.