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Can do much the same with my Heresy Dark Angels.

Squads would need rejigging somewhat, but I can definitely make some kind of 2nd Ed complaint army from them.

The recent FAQ churn dumped on us for 10th edition made me long for the simpler ages of old editions again.. I remember people lamenting the lack of updates/FAQs back in the day, I'd say the current trend of overFAQing/errata'ing is even worse..

Heavily depends on where you landed on the power curve.

8 years of 5th and 6th ed Tyranid codex was rough and made me vastly prefer the high turn out rate rather than being stuck with a bad codex for years.

The enlightened centrist position is that GW should be expected to be capable of producing good rules which don't require constant updates in order to be reasonably balanced.

They don't even try to achieve that, because there is no consequence for their negative behaviour.

Found a few Dark Elf minis in the cupboard (6th ed vintage) and am idly considering making a small 4th/5th ed army out of them. My attempts at WFB armies never get very far, but I do now have a lot of fantasy minis that I collected for Warhammer Quest, so it's probably inevitable that they'll end up in ranks on a battlefield someday.

Reading through the 5th ed WFB Battle Book again (the background book from the Brets/Lizzies starter set), I was surprised to find that the Dark Elves are described quite differently to their 4th ed army book. The Battle Book makes them sound almost like Chaos Elves. Daemons all over the place, plus Witch Elves worshipping Khorne, whom they just happen to call Khaine.

I think it's because the 5th ed Battle Book text for the various races was mostly copy-pasted from the previous 4th ed starter set, which was written before the first army books came out, at a time when the DE were imagined to be more closely Chaos-aligned. It's odd that they didn't update the DE text in the 5th ed starter to fit the army book version, which gave them more of their own culture--Khaine being a distinctively Elven god of murder rather than just Khorne by another name, and so on.

Though the 4th ed army book fluff has its own problems. It's a bit thin on details, aside from "let's repeat some High Elf history" and "we like killing and torture a lot." Even by Warhammer standards they're so over the top it's hard to take them seriously.

Books arrived! Time for a shower and some Sosig rolls, then will get my reading eyes in.


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Annnnnd right in the nostalgia.

Saw a sample army with the original multipart Chaos Warriors. Reminded me of the time I won £10 from the Fruit Machine at college, and spent it on another box. And of painting my army at Granny’s over Christmas.

Won’t be repeating either of those ever again!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Books arrived! Time for a shower and some Sosig rolls, then will get my reading eyes in.


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Annnnnd right in the nostalgia.

Have you got the cards for Chaos Rewards and so on that came in the original box for Realm of Chaos?

(I have both the 4th ed and 5th ed Chaos books, but only the cards for the 5th ed version.)

I’ve not, just the books. The trouble with these boxed sets is never knowing if you’ve a complete set of cards.

I’m fairly confident they’ll exist somewhere online in pdf form though.

I should have a set of the 5th cards if the internet fails you. Can try to get some pics if needed.

Once I break out the archeological tools and fight back the dust monsters.

(I kid, pretty sure I know exactly where they are. Probably)

If I can be rude and ask, how much did you pay for those books MDG?

I'm noticing wildly various prices on old books.

Got the pair for around £45

Turns out? Scans of the second run of The Citadel Journal can be found here

https://archive.org/details/CitadelJournalIssue10/Citadel%20Journal%20Issue03/page/n23/mode/2up

Enjoy!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Turns out? Scans of the second run of The Citadel Journal can be found here

https://archive.org/details/CitadelJournalIssue10/Citadel%20Journal%20Issue03/page/n23/mode/2up

Enjoy!

Legend! Thanks for the share!

I wish custodes could be played in 5th Edition.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I wish custodes could be played in 5th Edition.

They can...well under our rules all 3rd-7th ed codexes are cross compatible under 5th ed rules..anything that needs to be fleshed out not in the regular 7th ed mini codex we take directly from HH 1.0 book 7 (inferno-fall of prospero) as it is based on 7th ed.

you end up with a very tough, very small, very elite army at 2K everything in the army basically has a 2+ armor save and a 5++ invul save (including most vehicles) aside from those guys with storm shields, and since the infantry is all T5 with 2 wounds base you need S10 to insta-kill them.

A tough nut to crack but they can be beaten. especially if your playing with objectives.

This was the 4th ed iron hands fighting the custodes as described above.

Love the Dawn of War Terrain.

Looks like I'm going to have to give your system a look-see.

The terrain was from war scenery, they have a contract with gale force 9 for most of it fully painted-

https://www.nobleknight.com/Products/Battlefield-in-a-Box---Gothic-Sector-28mm

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Turns out? Scans of the second run of The Citadel Journal can be found here

https://archive.org/details/CitadelJournalIssue10/Citadel%20Journal%20Issue03/page/n23/mode/2up

Enjoy!

Much obliged Doc!

Seems that issues 35 and 36 are missing from this batch.. I managed to find a low rez copy of issue 36 elsewhere, no luck with issue 35 so far..

But this is great! I already had that legendary issue with Space Hulk 1st edition additional rules, now I have much more. Coupled with my first 300 issues of White Dwarf, my magazine collection is now in a very good place.

cheers

 tauist wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Turns out? Scans of the second run of The Citadel Journal can be found here

https://archive.org/details/CitadelJournalIssue10/Citadel%20Journal%20Issue03/page/n23/mode/2up

Enjoy!

Much obliged Doc!

Seems that issues 35 and 36 are missing from this batch.. I managed to find a low rez copy of issue 36 elsewhere, no luck with issue 35 so far..

But this is great! I already had that legendary issue with Space Hulk 1st edition additional rules, now I have much more. Coupled with my first 300 issues of White Dwarf, my magazine collection is now in a very good place.

cheers

FWIW I have a handful of Journals, although didn’t collect them as throughly as WDs.

29-32, (missing 33) 34-35 (missing 36) 37-38. I can’t promise HQ scans, but if you just want to know what’s in them, I can help.

A post of no great consequence, but in putting a couple of 2nd Ed Codexes back on their shelf, having been used for post references? I took the opportunity to order them by product ref.

I don’t typically bother, but the mood took me.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
A post of no great consequence, but in putting a couple of 2nd Ed Codexes back on their shelf, having been used for post references? I took the opportunity to order them by product ref.

I don’t typically bother, but the mood took me.

I used to sort by edition, then by faction, but last time I re-arranged the shelf I swapped that, so all of one type of book, (main rules, SM codexes, etc) are together, and then sorted by edition. Not sure if I like it better, but it is helpful sometimes.

I do keep stuff grouped by edition, and now my Rogue Trader and 2nd Ed stuff is ordered by product ref.

It makes more sense from a curation point of view with Rogue Trader, as rather than a single, cohesive edition, it’s more three editions, and possibly a couple of rather perplexed Otters, in a Trenchcoat, masquerading as a single edition.

Which frankly is part of the appeal. It was such a seemingly anarchic period of creativity, yet when followed in release order you can start to see 2nd Edition emerging from the overall chaos and whimbrilkng.

Certainly, and not without fair reason, I don’t think anyone would tolerate that creativity driven but very customer confusing, approach in the modern day.

I will say, looking at the prices of some 3rd edition codexes, I'm ashamed I ever got rid of my collection of books, but the clutter was real and I had moved out of my parents and needed space.

If I still had a collection worth actually sorting ( I think I currently only have two 2nd edition books, and one 5th edition book), I would sort by edition as the main category, then maybe by release date, which might be the same as product ID.

I might have one of those shelf/magazine folders to make them easy to grab as a chunk to help them all stay together.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I do keep stuff grouped by edition, and now my Rogue Trader and 2nd Ed stuff is ordered by product ref.

It makes more sense from a curation point of view with Rogue Trader, as rather than a single, cohesive edition, it’s more three editions, and possibly a couple of rather perplexed Otters, in a Trenchcoat, masquerading as a single edition.

Which frankly is part of the appeal. It was such a seemingly anarchic period of creativity, yet when followed in release order you can start to see 2nd Edition emerging from the overall chaos and whimbrilkng.

Certainly, and not without fair reason, I don’t think anyone would tolerate that creativity driven but very customer confusing, approach in the modern day.

I have a long term project going on which aims at the creation of a "Rogue Trader Bible" of sorts. Aim is to collect and compile everything ever officially published for 1st edition, including what's in White Dwarf issues 93 -166. This includes finding all the erratas and answers to questions to Mr Priestley published in the mags etc, and editing the relevant bits of info to match the errata'd content. After all this is done, it's time to iterate on what would the "final" published version of 1st edition be like (minus the Vehicle Manual, as I personally find it too limiting for adding custom Vehicles to the game), by eliminating any conflicting/re-written rules. I have a hunch the final revision of the 1st edition rules will be very close to 2nd edition rules..

There are at least 3 distinct "graphic design styles" associated with Rogue Trader. 1st style mirrors the RT rulebook, 2nd style introduces the use of Eurostile font and changes the layouts for the army list entries (drops the funky diagonal vector graphic boxes), 3rd style, as found in the WH40K Battle Manual (1992) almost looks like 2nd edition already..

Things changed massively in the years between 1988 and 1992, those four years were perhaps the biggest ever for 40K development. Compared to what has changed since that time, it can almost be argued that 88-92 fleshed out the setting more than the 34 years since!

By edition, and then alphabetically by army book/codex. Then rulebook, and finally alphabetical supplement books.

I just recently cleared out most of my 40K books from 3rd ed onwards... I've kept all of my RT and 2nd ed books, and the later core rulebooks for reference, but all the codexes and supplemental books are gone to free up shelf space.

Still missing a copy of the 2nd ed SoB book. That one and Space Wolves were the only two 2nd ed codexes I never bought back in the day. Picked up a copy of Space Wolves a few years back, but periodically look on eBay just to make myself sad that I didn't pick up the Sisters book back when they used to routinely sell for $5 a pop...

Just secured myself the two Realm of Chaos books. Not cheap. I had a maximum amount I could spend on them, and that's what I ended up paying.

Cue GW releasing them worldwide now.......

Just bought a complete, still on sprue, copy of Warhammer Quest.

Wasn’t cheap, and I won’t say how much I paid. But it’s mine now.

That's impressive. Will you be tracking down the individual character packs?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Just bought a complete, still on sprue, copy of Warhammer Quest.

Wasn’t cheap, and I won’t say how much I paid. But it’s mine now.

That’s the easy part. Now, try tracking down all era appropriate miniatures for levels 1 to 10!

Game is great and can be played solo!