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I will be building it up to a complete collection over time, yes.

Very much a case of taking my time though. For stuff like Deathblow! I think I’ll just go digital.

Also, I’ve now a cracking excuse to buy random boxes of stuff to populate a dungeon. Which frankly is something I don’t understand the recent Quests not including.

Make that inclusion, and people not otherwise interested in collecting a full army for AoS, or WHFB, now have a reason to buy an armies worth of random boxed sets. Or indeed more.

Mmmmmmm.




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Now, if someone could point me to digital copies of the characters, expansions, articles and Deathblow!, that’d be fab.

I don’t normally stand with piracy, but the second hand prices are ludicrous, and here don’t directly benefit the game’s creator company.

Though my eventual populating of dungeons certainly will.


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Uh oh….had the Roleplay Book out earlier, and now can’t find it.

Stuff Goblins had best return it toot bloody sweet, or there’ll be no more socks for a month!

I don't care a lick about the game itself, but the swarm models, Minotaurs, and a few of those characters are damn near perfect.

Treated myself to a copy of Inquisitor

So much novel background in that rulebook. And I’d argue to the point it’s the origin of modern 40K Background Detail.


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Oop, and a copy of BFG Armada.

And a copy of Warhammer Armies Dogs of War. And the collected, soft back, Liber Chaotica.

But that’s me for the time being, unless a non-insanely priced Titan Legions crops up, when I’ll consider it.

Sounds great, Mad Doc, but why bother with all those copies when you could just buy the real thing?

(boom tish )

Anyway ...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Inquisitor

So much novel background in that rulebook. And I’d argue to the point it’s the origin of modern 40K Background Detail.

Probably not what you mean, but in terms of Studio tabletop visuals, I often think of Inquisitor as ground zero for the over-gothification of 40K. Before then the official terrain and models had more of a frontier-planet feeling. The gothic elements were present but fairly low-key and mixed in with other science fiction imagery. After Inquisitor, though, there seemed to be more focus on urban settings for 40K battles too, and the skulls, scrolls, candles and grime started to get a bit out of control (as seen in the 4th ed purity-seal-plastered Marines and Cities of Death building kits).


Dogs of War is a brilliant book just for browsing. Almost Discwordlian in its flavour. Though it's a shame some of the most interesting and quirky regiments only came out as White Dwarf articles later rather than being included in the book itself.


And now for something completely different ... Can anyone help with a little mystery?

Years ago when searching for the 4th ed WFB Undead army book, someone online offered to sell me an extra-special cool edition that included the new Undead special characters from the Circle of Blood campaign pack: the Red Duke and friends. He then changed his mind and decided to keep it before we got as far as requesting photos. (It took several other false leads and dead ends before I managed to track down an Undead book, making me feel like a proper necromancer searching for an elusive forbidden tome.)

Was he pulling my leg, or was there actually an updated revision to the original Undead book with the CoB characters included? If it ever existed it would have come out in early to mid 5th ed WFB, after CoB but before Vampire Counts.

They did make various minor updates to the army books from time to time--correcting a few points values in reprints (or at least they said they would), or changing the advertisement pages in the back--but I don't know if anything that extreme ever happened.

Zenithfleet wrote:


And now for something completely different ... Can anyone help with a little mystery?

Years ago when searching for the 4th ed WFB Undead army book, someone online offered to sell me an extra-special cool edition that included the new Undead special characters from the Circle of Blood campaign pack: the Red Duke and friends. He then changed his mind and decided to keep it before we got as far as requesting photos. (It took several other false leads and dead ends before I managed to track down an Undead book, making me feel like a proper necromancer searching for an elusive forbidden tome.)

Was he pulling my leg, or was there actually an updated revision to the original Undead book with the CoB characters included? If it ever existed it would have come out in early to mid 5th ed WFB, after CoB but before Vampire Counts.

They did make various minor updates to the army books from time to time--correcting a few points values in reprints (or at least they said they would), or changing the advertisement pages in the back--but I don't know if anything that extreme ever happened.

If it did, I have no recollection of it existing. And as someone who was playing Undead in 5th, it’s something that would have come to my attention. Not to say it didn’t happen, but I don’t think so.

I do have parts on the CoB rules tucked in the covers of my Undead book, so that kinda counts?

It might be worth scanning WDs from the time, it may have been a limited release thing that never made it to the states?

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Quick check has the CoB pages copyright 1997, and the 5th VC army book is ’99. So if there was a re-issue, it would be in that timeframe. Probably closer to the start, as if they knew a new book was coming out, they would not update the old.

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As it happens, I have the Aug 97 WD (211) on the shelf, where the CoB characters are introduced and showcased. In the articles covering the new undead stuff there is no mention of a new army book. Again, this is not proof that it doesn’t exist. I just can’t find any signs.

 Nevelon wrote:


If it did, I have no recollection of it existing. And as someone who was playing Undead in 5th, it’s something that would have come to my attention. Not to say it didn’t happen, but I don’t think so.

I do have parts on the CoB rules tucked in the covers of my Undead book, so that kinda counts?

It might be worth scanning WDs from the time, it may have been a limited release thing that never made it to the states?

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Quick check has the CoB pages copyright 1997, and the 5th VC army book is ’99. So if there was a re-issue, it would be in that timeframe. Probably closer to the start, as if they knew a new book was coming out, they would not update the old.

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As it happens, I have the Aug 97 WD (211) on the shelf, where the CoB characters are introduced and showcased. In the articles covering the new undead stuff there is no mention of a new army book. Again, this is not proof that it doesn’t exist. I just can’t find any signs.

Thanks for the info. I have all the old (UK/Aus) White Dwarfs from that period but don't remember ever seeing anything about a reissue of the Undead book with revisions.

It's possible that when the seller said his Undead book had the CoB characters in it, he meant something similar to what you're describing, with the physical pages from the separate campaign pack folded up or tucked into the back cover. As I recall, his communication style was of the 'hastily texting from phone' sort, so it would have been easy for me to misconstrue what he meant. But I distinctly remember him calling his Undead book a 'cool one' as if it were a special edition.

In other old-edition news, for the first and probably last time, I have assembled two of the card Battle Bunkers from early 2nd ed 40K. The one in a White Dwarf article with the fourth starter scenario, and the back of the Battles book compilation.

Can't say I like them much. They're awfully flimsy and fiddly. Not a patch on the later card buildings in White Dwarf.

I own two resin Conflix bunkers that were clearly 'inspired by' that design, but what surprised me was that the original Battle Bunkers have a sloped front wall but nearly vertical side and back walls. From photos, I'd always thought they were evenly sloped on all sides and apparently the Conflix designer thought so too.

Also got to play the first two scenarios from the starter box, which pit a few Gretchin and Orks against a few Tactical Marines, in an attempt to relearn the 2nd ed rules after a gap of [insert scary number of years]. To my surprise my opponent happened to have a half-complete set of the original cardboard ruined corners, in un-folded mint condition no less.

Amusingly I obsessively tried the hiding rules in the first scenario with the Gretchin mobs and managed to score a tie ... and then completely forgot about the rules in the second, leading to my Ork mobs getting thoroughly shot up for zero victory points. One mob shrugged off two frag missile hits with no more than a few laughs at the lone Ork ejected into the stratosphere by each explosion, but the moment they took bolter fire they rolled a 12 for their break test and ran to the other side of the planet.

We then retried the second scenario with a lone Dreadnaught in place of the Ork mobs just so I could get a handle on the vehicle rules. First time using a datafax in donkey's. The Dread charged at the Marines' position, copped two krak missiles that bounced off harmlessly, lost its power klaw to a third missile, missed with all its guns and then slammed headlong into the building. With a metallic roar it fumbled twice and got lightly bopped on the head by a Tactical Marine, failing to achieve anything. I was just happy it didn't blow up on the first turn.

One thing the scenarios hammered home was the extreme importance of cover in 2nd ed 40K, also known as the art of How Not to be Seen. It amuses me no end that being harder to hit makes a missile launcher more likely to explode but a heavy bolter less likely to jam.

Now to try the bigger third and fourth scenarios ...