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The update looks to be out...:
Updated
9 February 2021
Current Version
2.1

 kodos wrote:
taking bets what happens first?

10th Editon or a proper 40k App

Oh definitely 10th ed.


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 Jidmah wrote:
And who uses the points/PL in codices to build lists anyways

Raises hand.

Most of our games have been Crusade & our Crusades have all used PL.

ccs wrote:
Most of our games have been Crusade & our Crusades have all used PL.

And you are flipping back and forth through you codex instead of using the PL values all printed in one page in the update PDF?

Not to mention that you'll probably be building lists straight from your rooster anyways once the crusade has started and messed with the PL costs.

Plague Marines basic loadout still doesn't work. So kek feth them and their gak app until they get their gak together. One constant is you'll always have people that are ok with paying a premium price for half-assed mediocre work from a company large and profitable enough to do better.

Wayniac wrote:
Plague Marines basic loadout still doesn't work. So kek feth them and their gak app until they get their gak together. One constant is you'll always have people that are ok with paying a premium price for half-assed mediocre work from a company large and profitable enough to do better.

GW white Knights will literally pay money for "it might get better" or "it'll help encourage XYZ" which is honestly hilarious.

"It'll encourage them to do better" is what gets me. As if GW will personally thank them and repay their donation in full.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
"It'll encourage them to do better" is what gets me. As if GW will personally thank them and repay their donation in full.

Umm who said that?

It wasn't in this thread, but there have been other threads where that line of arguement was taken. That paying GW and showing interest in their App would lead to them improving it, investing more money in to development. I don't wholly disagree with the sentiment, but do find it unlikely.

I see the attitude mostly on their Facebook page.
I lot of people there are very devout GW fans.

Didn't read the whole thread, but it's pretty remarkable to see GW drop prices on anything, even something that doesn't work on a basic level like the app. Price cuts is not something GW does.

It must have been flopping even harder than everybody thought to cause them to break their 1st commandment.

You know for a company that supposedly makes way more than Corvus Belli, GW's army builder is still.pretty gakky, a gakky army builder you have to pay for. Made worse by the fact that Infinity Army builder has all kind of features, links to all the special rules for a model, and is free.

It can't be that hard.

 BlackoCatto wrote:
You know for a company that supposedly makes way more than Corvus Belli, GW's army builder is still.pretty gakky, a gakky army builder you have to pay for. Made worse by the fact that Infinity Army builder has all kind of features, links to all the special rules for a model, and is free.

It can't be that hard.

I'm not defending GW here, but I gave that app a peek, because I was curious and it's confusing as feth. It doesn't seem to have much that GW doesn't have - it just probably does it more consistently ( and is free ).

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 BlackoCatto wrote:
You know for a company that supposedly makes way more than Corvus Belli, GW's army builder is still.pretty gakky, a gakky army builder you have to pay for. Made worse by the fact that Infinity Army builder has all kind of features, links to all the special rules for a model, and is free.

It can't be that hard.

I'm not defending GW here, but I gave that app a peek, because I was curious and it's confusing as feth. It doesn't seem to have much that GW doesn't have - it just probably does it more consistently ( and is free ).

Yeah, seriously. All it does is work, and cost nothing. How underwhelming.

yukishiro1 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 BlackoCatto wrote:
You know for a company that supposedly makes way more than Corvus Belli, GW's army builder is still.pretty gakky, a gakky army builder you have to pay for. Made worse by the fact that Infinity Army builder has all kind of features, links to all the special rules for a model, and is free.

It can't be that hard.

I'm not defending GW here, but I gave that app a peek, because I was curious and it's confusing as feth. It doesn't seem to have much that GW doesn't have - it just probably does it more consistently ( and is free ).

Yeah, seriously. All it does is work, and cost nothing. How underwhelming.

I know, it just isn't the same when I'm not overpaying and defending the company :(

yukishiro1 wrote:
Yeah, seriously. All it does is work, and cost nothing. How underwhelming.

Right, but if we're going to be objective and honest - GW has a more approachable UI. War Room has the best UI. There is a small cost to War Room so charging for something isn't necessarily bad - if they make it work.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 BlackoCatto wrote:
You know for a company that supposedly makes way more than Corvus Belli, GW's army builder is still.pretty gakky, a gakky army builder you have to pay for. Made worse by the fact that Infinity Army builder has all kind of features, links to all the special rules for a model, and is free.

It can't be that hard.

I'm not defending GW here, but I gave that app a peek, because I was curious and it's confusing as feth. It doesn't seem to have much that GW doesn't have - it just probably does it more consistently ( and is free ).

Yeah, seriously. All it does is work, and cost nothing. How underwhelming.

I know, it just isn't the same when I'm not overpaying and defending the company :(

I get all the rules for free and It references nicely linked. As someone whom plays Infinity it makes sense nicely and does its job well enough... for free. It's all I ask and their is a stable PC version as well.

I don't care if it looks nice, as long as it fething works.

 BlackoCatto wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 BlackoCatto wrote:
You know for a company that supposedly makes way more than Corvus Belli, GW's army builder is still.pretty gakky, a gakky army builder you have to pay for. Made worse by the fact that Infinity Army builder has all kind of features, links to all the special rules for a model, and is free.

It can't be that hard.

I'm not defending GW here, but I gave that app a peek, because I was curious and it's confusing as feth. It doesn't seem to have much that GW doesn't have - it just probably does it more consistently ( and is free ).

Yeah, seriously. All it does is work, and cost nothing. How underwhelming.

I know, it just isn't the same when I'm not overpaying and defending the company :(

I get all the rules for free and It references nicely linked. As someone whom plays Infinity it makes sense nicely and does its job well enough... for free. It's all I ask and their is a stable PC version as well.

I don't care if it looks nice, as long as it fething works.

I'm guessing that Daedalus thinks that, since it isn't pretty, the UI isn't good. Battlescribe ain't pretty but it's pretty damn easy to work.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm guessing that Daedalus thinks that, since it isn't pretty, the UI isn't good. Battlescribe ain't pretty but it's pretty damn easy to work.

Well, I design and program apps for a living ( among other things ), so....more of a professional opinion.

 Jidmah wrote:

ccs wrote:
Most of our games have been Crusade & our Crusades have all used PL.

And you are flipping back and forth through you codex instead of using the PL values all printed in one page in the update PDF?

No. I've simply printed the page and tucked it into the back of the book. So, just as with pts, I look to a page in the back of my book. Pts or PL, same amount of page flipping.... And when it gets changed again? I'll print a new page, retiring the old one to a folder.
Were I a bit less lazy/slightly more motivated I'd go through my book with those easy to remove colored circle stickers & "update" the PL in the corner of each stat block. But there's always something better to do....

What I'm NOT doing is wasting a few dollars/month on an app.

 Jidmah wrote:
Not to mention that you'll probably be building lists straight from your rooster anyways once the crusade has started and messed with the PL costs.

Not seeing your point. Or needing to spend $ on their app since once Crusade underway my PLs change from what's printed.

My pencil - still cheaper & more useful than GWs app.

 Skinnereal wrote:
The update looks to be out...:
Updated
9 February 2021
Current Version
2.1

Doesn't seem to be it - no Crusade stuff.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm guessing that Daedalus thinks that, since it isn't pretty, the UI isn't good. Battlescribe ain't pretty but it's pretty damn easy to work.

Well, I design and program apps for a living ( among other things ), so....more of a professional opinion.

To let ya know, being pretty is a bonus. I'd much rather something work well enough than look nice. Gold plated turd is still pretty much a turd.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm guessing that Daedalus thinks that, since it isn't pretty, the UI isn't good. Battlescribe ain't pretty but it's pretty damn easy to work.

Well, I design and program apps for a living ( among other things ), so....more of a professional opinion.

Good for you. Now lemme tell you a little secret.

It doesn't matter how pretty your app is if it is barely functional, especially if you have to pay for it. The app sucks and the fact that the free one for the other game can function just fine says not only a lot about the people paid money to design the GW one, but the lengths people will go to defend GW. The fact you design apps honestly has zero worth to me because it isn't a defense for the app.

When you think about it, GW has pretty much built its dominance on nice UI (models) with barely passable innards (rules) for an extremely premium price, so maybe it's no surprise that they're taking the same approach to app design.

yukishiro1 wrote:
When you think about it, GW has pretty much built its dominance on nice UI (models) with barely passable innards (rules) for an extremely premium price, so maybe it's no surprise that they're taking the same approach to app design.

Lol. But it actually matters for an App.

ccs wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
When you think about it, GW has pretty much built its dominance on nice UI (models) with barely passable innards (rules) for an extremely premium price, so maybe it's no surprise that they're taking the same approach to app design.

Lol. But it actually matters for an App.

it actually matters for the game as well, but GW marketing has told people over years that they should not care because it is not possible to do better

with the App it will be similar, GW will tell people that it is not perfect and might have some mistake, but it is the best people can make without taking too much time and they need to rise the prise again because a company need to live

and those people will believe them and defend it as the truth (because otherwise they would have spend too much money on an inferior product, and it is easier to pretend that the product is good than to admit a mistake)

I say this as a long time GW fan with multiple shelves of rules books groaning from the weight.

(And I also say this about the rules, and not about the flavor text, ideas, art or production values which have always been top notch.)

Yeah. Free is about the right price for GW rules.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Well, I design and program apps for a living ( among other things ), so....more of a professional opinion.

And nuthin' quite says "professional" like GW's new app.

 kodos wrote:
and those people will believe them and defend it as the truth (because otherwise they would have spend too much money on an inferior product, and it is easier to pretend that the product is good than to admit a mistake)

I don't think everyone defending GW's app is doing so out of some form of sunk cost shame. Some of them really believe it's the greatest thing ever.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
The update looks to be out...:
Updated; 9 February 2021
Current Version; 2.1

Doesn't seem to be it - no Crusade stuff.

The day before, it was version 2.0.5, and cost £3.99.
I signed up for the £1.99 listed, and found duplicated unit entries with no explanation listed, and no way to edit list names, amongst other quibles.

A lot of people are defending it because they believe that GW is the greatest thing ever, and therefore anything they do is the greatest thing ever.
But I do believe a lot of that is, ultimately, derived from sunk-cost fallacies.
I've met people that seem to almost get angry at you suggesting other games do something better in some way, and often use arguments I don't think they actually believe.
For example, that player that never paints his army and it's always very shoddily built arguing that GW has the best models and that makes it worth it.
Or "the kit isn't overpriced, it's actually great value because GW sells this other kit that's more expensive".

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

I don't think everyone defending GW's app is doing so out of some form of sunk cost shame. Some of them really believe it's the greatest thing ever.

for rules, I can get behind that people have never seen or played something else, so cannot compare it

while it is hard to believe that there are people out who never used an App before as even GW itself has a better App (for AoS) and never had contact with other games