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2021/02/23 13:38:48
Subject: Re:Here come the pointy elves
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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+1S, +1D (I still assume losing the bonus damage on a 6 thing), +1A. I guess his new higher point cost makes sense. I guess maybe the double blade thing is going away though?
If he still attacks twice, Drazar is even a pretty decent threat vs vehicles. 7 damage vs a standard vehicle defensive profile.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2021/02/23 13:45:15
Subject: Here come the pointy elves
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I thought the bonus attacks with Demiklaives was part of the Incubi reveal? Is so, he will likely have another couple of attacks.
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2021/02/23 14:09:07
Subject: Here come the pointy elves
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Seems odd to lose dual blades given how the model is literally standing there holding them.
So suspect its just missed on the sheet.
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2021/02/23 14:12:53
Subject: Here come the pointy elves
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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If Drazhar still gets to fight twice, he's looking pretty brutal.
Tyel wrote:Seems odd to lose dual blades given how the model is literally standing there holding them.
So suspect its just missed on the sheet.
I think it was said that alternative weapon modes don't appear on these sheets.
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 blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
 the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
 Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
 insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
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2021/02/23 14:18:07
Subject: Here come the pointy elves
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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 harlokin wrote:I thought the bonus attacks with Demiklaives was part of the Incubi reveal? Is so, he will likely have another couple of attacks.
yep, aand with guaranteed damage two and strength +1 that gives him an excellent anti- MEQ fighting mode.
...Also, I checkd other leaked datasheets and that is correct - grenade launchers, missile launchers, and plasma guns are all shown with only one profile on the assembly sheets.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2021/02/23 14:22:11
Subject: Here come the pointy elves
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Lethal Lhamean
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Thats a pretty nifty profile update for Draz, if he keeps any of his 3 special rules for damage boosting he's going to be seriously lethal.
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2021/02/23 15:04:17
Subject: Re:Here come the pointy elves
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the_scotsman wrote:
+1S, +1D (I still assume losing the bonus damage on a 6 thing), +1A. I guess his new higher point cost makes sense. I guess maybe the double blade thing is going away though?
If he still attacks twice, Drazar is even a pretty decent threat vs vehicles. 7 damage vs a standard vehicle defensive profile.
He gained a wound, too, didn't he?
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2021/02/23 15:09:44
Subject: Here come the pointy elves
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Commoragh-bound Peer
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No, he had 6 wounds before.
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2021/02/23 15:30:35
Subject: Re:Here come the pointy elves
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Lethal Lhamean
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 Daedalus81 wrote:the_scotsman wrote:
+1S, +1D (I still assume losing the bonus damage on a 6 thing), +1A. I guess his new higher point cost makes sense. I guess maybe the double blade thing is going away though?
If he still attacks twice, Drazar is even a pretty decent threat vs vehicles. 7 damage vs a standard vehicle defensive profile.
He gained a wound, too, didn't he?
No, he gained that when the new model came out.
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2021/02/23 17:02:22
Subject: Re:Here come the pointy elves
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Ah, gotcha. Too many books to follow. 
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2021/02/23 17:22:41
Subject: Here come the pointy elves
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I don't see why he should lose abilities. He will lose the +1 to wound to himself, as 9th ed HQs don't buff themselves, but I guess he's keeping the other stuff.
He went up 30 pts. But I guess we'll see in a couple weeks.
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2021/02/23 17:38:42
Subject: Here come the pointy elves
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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 Denegaar wrote:He will lose the +1 to wound to himself, as 9th ed HQs don't buff themselves
Given that Ravagers almost certainly won't be Core and the only other thing Archons can meaningfully buff is themselves, I eagerly await their aura affecting bugger-all.
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
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2021/02/23 17:43:15
Subject: Here come the pointy elves
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Wicked Wych With a Whip
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Maybe his aura buffs INCUBI and CORE, so we can buff Wyches with +1 to Wound 
That would be too good for our standards, but an Archon can dream.
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2021/02/23 17:58:18
Subject: Here come the pointy elves
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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I don't see why he will lose his aura, it already has an INCUBI requirement. The CORE requirement has only been implemented on generalist auras that didn't have Keyword requirements.
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2021/02/23 18:00:52
Subject: Here come the pointy elves
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Yeah, for example the Skorpekh lord buffs himself.
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 Crimson Devil wrote:
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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2021/02/23 18:07:24
Subject: Here come the pointy elves
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Wicked Wych With a Whip
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 Galas wrote:Yeah, for example the Skorpekh lord buffs himself.
If that's the case for him too, then he will be even better!
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2021/02/23 19:07:03
Subject: Here come the pointy elves
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Lethal Lhamean
Birmingham
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Galas wrote:Yeah, for example the Skorpekh lord buffs himself.
Exactly the example I was going to make, with the two Destroyer Lords buffing DESTROYERS there's zero reason why Drazhar shouldn't buff INCUBI.
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2021/02/24 00:25:35
Subject: Re:Here come the pointy elves
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Pious Palatine
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Drazhar has a better stat line than a Primaris Captain! Well, he has a higher move and a better save, but otherwise matches the Primaris Captain. Not bad for a knife-ear.
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2021/02/24 00:31:49
Subject: Re:Here come the pointy elves
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Lethal Lhamean
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 alextroy wrote:Drazhar has a better stat line than a Primaris Captain! Well, he has a higher move and a better save, but otherwise matches the Primaris Captain. Not bad for a knife-ear.
Well, Phoenix Lords should utterly annhilate Space Marine Captains so much needed.
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2021/02/24 00:44:56
Subject: Re:Here come the pointy elves
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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alextroy wrote:Drazhar has a better stat line than a Primaris Captain! Well, he has a higher move and a better save, but otherwise matches the Primaris Captain. Not bad for a knife-ear.
He matches him defensively, but currently offensively he absolutely obliterates him. 10A at S6 Ap-3 D3, or 14A S5 Ap-3 D2.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2021/02/24 00:45:27
Subject: Re:Here come the pointy elves
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
The dark hollows of Kentucky
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alextroy wrote:Drazhar has a better stat line than a Primaris Captain! Well, he has a higher move and a better save, but otherwise matches the Primaris Captain. Not bad for a knife-ear.
Right, a NAMED Dark Eldar character is better than an unnamed loyalist character.
Everyone! Celebrate!
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2021/02/24 00:57:34
Subject: Re:Here come the pointy elves
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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the_scotsman wrote: alextroy wrote:Drazhar has a better stat line than a Primaris Captain! Well, he has a higher move and a better save, but otherwise matches the Primaris Captain. Not bad for a knife-ear.
He matches him defensively, but currently offensively he absolutely obliterates him. 10A at S6 Ap-3 D3, or 14A S5 Ap-3 D2.
Assuming they didn't just give him an extra attack and take away his special rule.... GW rarely seems to just buff non marine units without taking stuff away, but I'm happy to be wrong.
They could balance it with +3 attacks when charging, charged or intervention, as that's pretty much what A4 doubled is.
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2021/02/24 01:16:52
Subject: Re:Here come the pointy elves
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Pious Palatine
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 Gadzilla666 wrote: alextroy wrote:Drazhar has a better stat line than a Primaris Captain! Well, he has a higher move and a better save, but otherwise matches the Primaris Captain. Not bad for a knife-ear.
Right, a NAMED Dark Eldar character is better than an unnamed loyalist character.
Everyone! Celebrate!
Space Marines are the best and Primaris are the best of the best. Be thankful he isn't worst than a generic captain 
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2021/02/24 02:47:15
Subject: Re:Here come the pointy elves
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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 Hellebore wrote:the_scotsman wrote: alextroy wrote:Drazhar has a better stat line than a Primaris Captain! Well, he has a higher move and a better save, but otherwise matches the Primaris Captain. Not bad for a knife-ear.
He matches him defensively, but currently offensively he absolutely obliterates him. 10A at S6 Ap-3 D3, or 14A S5 Ap-3 D2.
Assuming they didn't just give him an extra attack and take away his special rule.... GW rarely seems to just buff non marine units without taking stuff away, but I'm happy to be wrong.
They could balance it with +3 attacks when charging, charged or intervention, as that's pretty much what A4 doubled is.
I mean I'm assuming the extra damage on a 6 wound is gone in exchange for...the extra damage that he's getting on all his stuff. Which is great tbh - I hate "thing on a 6" rules.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2021/02/24 02:55:56
Subject: Here come the pointy elves
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I hope they keep his abilities so that the phoenix lords evoke that supernatural demigod immortal warrior trope a little harder than they used to.
I'm hoping that he's still got at least a 5++ and I'm hoping that is representative of the CWE phoenix lord profiles:
M7" WS2+ BS2+ S4 T4 W6 A5 Ld9 Sv2+
5++
Is the minimum I expect for them all to be viable.
With obvious mods based on their aspects etc - Asurmen would be +1A, Zar might have a better invulnerable in melee etc.
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2021/02/24 12:36:51
Subject: Here come the pointy elves
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Hellebore wrote:I hope they keep his abilities so that the phoenix lords evoke that supernatural demigod immortal warrior trope a little harder than they used to.
I'm hoping that he's still got at least a 5++ and I'm hoping that is representative of the CWE phoenix lord profiles:
M7" WS2+ BS2+ S4 T4 W6 A5 Ld9 Sv2+
5++
Is the minimum I expect for them all to be viable.
With obvious mods based on their aspects etc - Asurmen would be +1A, Zar might have a better invulnerable in melee etc.
Given the ability on the shadow specter pheonix lord, which is a 4++ save entitled "Shadow Spectres Pheonix Lord" I'm guessing all Pheonix Lords and Equivalents will be rocking a 4++.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2021/02/26 15:51:18
Subject: Here come the pointy elves
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Lethal Lhamean
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Venom profile is out in the wild now, only things to report is that it's A3 now and that Bladevanes are +1S instead of a set S4.
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2021/02/26 15:54:06
Subject: Here come the pointy elves
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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 Imateria wrote:Venom profile is out in the wild now, only things to report is that it's A3 now and that Bladevanes are +1S instead of a set S4.
Well thats good news for Reavers. They can get +1s from multiple sources.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2021/02/26 15:58:46
Subject: Here come the pointy elves
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Lethal Lhamean
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the_scotsman wrote: Imateria wrote:Venom profile is out in the wild now, only things to report is that it's A3 now and that Bladevanes are +1S instead of a set S4.
Well thats good news for Reavers. They can get +1s from multiple sources.
Definitely, though remains to be seen if Cursed Blade remains unchanged.
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2021/02/26 16:16:03
Subject: Here come the pointy elves
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Imateria wrote:the_scotsman wrote: Imateria wrote:Venom profile is out in the wild now, only things to report is that it's A3 now and that Bladevanes are +1S instead of a set S4.
Well thats good news for Reavers. They can get +1s from multiple sources.
Definitely, though remains to be seen if Cursed Blade remains unchanged.
I need a macro to add a wallstreetbets style preface to every post relating to new rumors/leaks acknowledging that everything can change and it's all speculation based on available info and assumption that nothing else changes.
All the cron traits pretty much stayed the same, after all. And it's not like cb was really tearing it up.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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