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I feel like in 9th edition they are really teasing us with releases, especially codex's releases, there are alot of armies that need a new codex, like guard, craftworlds, chaos space marines. I feel games-workshop is trying to sell us on buying additional armies by teasing us with releases, withholding the release of new codex's, I feel we wont get a new guard codex until 2022 or something sad..

Teasing us with releases? What exactly different has GW been doing lately that they haven't been doing since 8th Edition was released?

As for not getting <<Faction>> Codex until 2022, somebody isn't getting a new codex until then. Even if they go to 2 a month starting in March they won't get to everyone by the end of the year. I doubt they will release that fast.

As for who gets a codex when, history has shown GW releases a codex when they release the codex. Who needs a codex is never a consideration on the release schedule.

I believe the idea is trying to get people to buy multiple armies

"whats that? your eldar are useless? well buy a necron army!!"

That's been GW's tactic since day 1 30 years ago

I mean its kinda their job to sell you models and armies.


As for codex releases, it wasn't that long ago that you'd wait 6 months to see 1 codex and even then you might well not have every army make it to the end of an edition and get a codex (Sisters of Battle and Dark Eldar both skipped editions or at least got them so late it didn't matter).


Right now they are going along at a blazing speed and the only reason its not been faster is because of Corona. Seriously last year its clear that had a big impact because the brand new Indomitus Necrons and Marines had to wait 1-2 months for codex releases. Clearly things were messed up.


That said they are coming fast and thick these days - esp when you remember that GW is also releasing them fast for AoS (who are getting 2 this month and have a near codex sized update for Lumineth likely in March/April as well).

Honestly tho, this is a painfully slow codex release, the change into 9th edition is massive and many peoples' armies were made almost obsolete, now factor in those people don't want to expand their current army without the new codex, which we can assume is going to shake up that army very significantly

bat702 wrote:
Honestly tho, this is a painfully slow codex release,

Stop. This is _not_ a painfully slow anything, let alone codex release schedule, and thats _with_ the Covid/Shipping delays.

Go back a decade or so, and you'll find 3-4 codex releases in a full year. Some armies would find entire editions (or even multiple editions) pass without an update. Dark Eldar and Wood Elves got to enjoy a full decade hiatus from new army books.

If anything, 8th edition set up people to expect things way too fast. I don't know why people want rules and purchases to be outdated before they get an army assembled, painted and on the table, but it isn't healthy for the game.

8th and 9th edition changed the game on a whole new scale from previous editions, they HAD to release those indexes as quickly as possible for 8th, as far as people wanting their codex before they buy stuff, it can really suck to buy and paint some units for your army, then regret that decision down the line

to me its very obvious gamesworkshop is doing this to milk us for money, its tempting to buy a new army if your army has to wait a whole year or more for your new codex

bat702 wrote:
8th and 9th edition changed the game on a whole new scale from previous editions, they HAD to release those indexes as quickly as possible for 8th, as far as people wanting their codex before they buy stuff, it can really suck to buy and paint some units for your army, then regret that decision down the line

1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd were bigger changes, and strangely they didn't have this rush. 8th to 9th certainly doesn't demand a rush based on 'changes on a whole new scale'- we're back to tweaking a system and prematurely shoving aside one edition for the next while the previous one was still limping along.
So no.

to me its very obvious gamesworkshop is doing this to milk us for money, its tempting to buy a new army if your army has to wait a whole year or more for your new codex

Is it? You're the one framing it as teasing and that they're somehow 'withholding' codexes, despite the rapid pace and demanding it be even faster.

You simply sound impatient. No one is making you rush out and buy a whole new army simply because <random army> doesn't have a book (yet) in the midst on an ongoing global shutdown. They're not even encouraging it by any real measure, including their own release patterns. A reasonable assessment shows they've packed a year's worth of 40k releases into six months, despite perfectly reasonable reasons for delays.

meh agree to disagree

Voss wrote:

bat702 wrote:
Honestly tho, this is a painfully slow codex release,

Stop. This is _not_ a painfully slow anything, let alone codex release schedule, and thats _with_ the Covid/Shipping delays.

Go back a decade or so, and you'll find 3-4 codex releases in a full year. Some armies would find entire editions (or even multiple editions) pass without an update. Dark Eldar and Wood Elves got to enjoy a full decade hiatus from new army books.

If anything, 8th edition set up people to expect things way too fast. I don't know why people want rules and purchases to be outdated before they get an army assembled, painted and on the table, but it isn't healthy for the game.

Right? Kids these days.

The covid + brexit double whammy on shipping is merciless.

DG was supposed to be December, DA and DE were supposed to be January, based on the Piety and Pain box, I expect Sisters will follow DE; they and whoever they were going to partner with would have been February.

Then we got sucker punched with the perfect storm of supply chain catastro-#@&%.

Under the circumstances, I'm surprised it's going as fast as it is. Might be back up to speed by the end of March though... Will be nice when that happens.

GW: What's this? your army is useless ? Havent had rules for years? Keep loosing? Why.. hahah! We have just the solution: Dont play as some pathetic NPC #9 army. Pick up your *NEW* *NOW* NEW* NEW * NEW Space Marines models and books today and never worry again!!

bat702 wrote:

to me its very obvious gamesworkshop is doing this to milk us for money, its tempting to buy a new army if your army has to wait a whole year or more for your new codex

CRAP! You've discovered the toy companies eeevil plan to part you from more of your money.

bat702 wrote:
Honestly tho, this is a painfully slow codex release, the change into 9th edition is massive and many peoples' armies were made almost obsolete, now factor in those people don't want to expand their current army without the new codex, which we can assume is going to shake up that army very significantly

This is standard gw style for 30 years except codex release schedule has gone for hyper fast mode

PenitentJake wrote:
The covid + brexit double whammy on shipping is merciless.

DG was supposed to be December, DA and DE were supposed to be January, based on the Piety and Pain box, I expect Sisters will follow DE; they and whoever they were going to partner with would have been February.

Then we got sucker punched with the perfect storm of supply chain catastro-#@&%.

Nitpick- I suspect Feb wasn't originally planned to have 40k (except maybe Killteam). It was probably pencilled in as a more paced out AoS release rather than the big pile of decadence this coming weekend. Plus more Underworlds than we're getting (the article on Underworlds suggested their 'normal' was going to be two warbands a month)

 Overread wrote:
That's been GW's tactic since day 1 30 years ago

I mean its kinda their job to sell you models and armies.

Not everyone has been playing for 30 years. You would be suprised how many new 8th ed players, were suprised that their books were updated , only for GW to start another edition as soon as they finished the cycle of books.


I wonder if with the 9th ed covid delay of books, considering DG were suppose to be in prior year etc, some factions are not going to get a 9th ed update.

I think those that are at the back of the queue are going to come with model updates so it might be worth the wait. And in the mean time, why not start a new army with one of the latest releases?

Well, its good to see that the teasers are still free of charge.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Voss wrote:

bat702 wrote:
Honestly tho, this is a painfully slow codex release,

Stop. This is _not_ a painfully slow anything, let alone codex release schedule, and thats _with_ the Covid/Shipping delays.

Go back a decade or so, and you'll find 3-4 codex releases in a full year. Some armies would find entire editions (or even multiple editions) pass without an update. Dark Eldar and Wood Elves got to enjoy a full decade hiatus from new army books.

If anything, 8th edition set up people to expect things way too fast. I don't know why people want rules and purchases to be outdated before they get an army assembled, painted and on the table, but it isn't healthy for the game.

Right? Kids these days.

Yeah, it isn't often I agree with Voss, but in this case his assessment is right on the money.

I'd offer my thoughts on the OP's attitude, but I suspect I'd then have to play dodge the MODhammer...

Yeah....the current rate is frankly impressive.

Space Marines, Necrons, various flavour of Space Marine, Dark Eldar imminent.

In times past, that in itself would’ve been a year or two’s worth. And yes, someone is always going to be last out the gate.

We also know to coin leakage Orks are definitely this year, probably October at the very latest (making them the twelfth and final coin).

Rumour engine has a recent “most likely Tyranid” image, so we can probably pencil them into the 2021 release schedule.

That leaves....2 x Knights, 1 x CSM, and flavours thereof, Craftworld and Harlequins, Genestealer Cult, Grey Knights, Ad-Mech and SoB? I think! Oh, and Tau.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Yeah....the current rate is frankly impressive.

Space Marines, Necrons, various flavour of Space Marine, Dark Eldar imminent.

In times past, that in itself would’ve been a year or two’s worth. And yes, someone is always going to be last out the gate.

We also know to coin leakage Orks are definitely this year, probably October at the very latest (making them the twelfth and final coin).

Rumour engine has a recent “most likely Tyranid” image, so we can probably pencil them into the 2021 release schedule.

That leaves....2 x Knights, 1 x CSM, and flavours thereof, Craftworld and Harlequins, Genestealer Cult, Grey Knights, Ad-Mech and SoB? I think! Oh, and Tau.

What about Custodes?

But yeah I'm convinced that probably atleats a couple of codex's are going to limp on into 2022 with 8th edition codex's.
Think someone was calling the next thre codex's as SoB, Orks and admech not in any particular order. So maybe nids or choas Marines would make sence then.

Though I'm both shocked and yet not that GW has left Choas Marines on 1W for over a year before they get their codex and couldn't FAQ that like WTF. 15pmm 1W vrs 18ppm 2W like atleast try and give the impression you give a damn.

Ah, knew I’d miss at least one!

We’ve also seen numerous Rumour Engines which point to Ecclesiarchy or Inquisiton models. Not necessarily a Codex of course, could be a boxed game of some kind.

I think as well they are behind schedule on the releases due to covid so have stuff that is ready for real ease that can’t get out. Death guard was delayed, now dark eldar and the marines came out slower than expected. Means they can market more and “tease” us with shop easy stuff they can’t distribute or manufacture enough off yet.

Yeah....the current rate is frankly impressive.

Yeah.

But the orders are still stuck at the customs...

Also don't forget Covid is a constant pressure on GW. They can't have staff in offices nor anywhere near the same number of staff working in the factories, packing, warehouse, shipping etc....

Throw on a global postal disaster - shortages of containers; more freight by land/sea as air is mostly shut down; vastly increased demand for products

Then throw on the lockdown last year which shut GW for 2 months - during which time almost every model in every 3rd party store was sold.

Then factor in that before Corona GW was already running at top speed and only just keeping up with demand; to the point they built a new factory to cope and give growth room as well as a big new warehouse for overseas shipping.



You add all that up and yeah its amazing GW is keeping up as they are.

I've seen several companies this year delay KS or releases or slow production etc... for various reasons. Eg Burrows and Badgers was going to have a KS but family pressure and lockdowns mean they've postponed it. Tabletop Combat have had to suspend resin casting because they can't keep on top with the number of people in the same room issues due to Corona - and last year they shut down laser printing of terrain.



Basically every firm is under intense pressure if they can run at present. That GW has slowed to 1 release every 2 weeks and that release in iteslf is about 2 releases big means that GW isn't really slowing down at all, they are shifting things around but they are maintaining speed

bat702 wrote:
I feel like in 9th edition they are really teasing us with releases, especially codex's releases, there are alot of armies that need a new codex, like guard, craftworlds, chaos space marines. I feel games-workshop is trying to sell us on buying additional armies by teasing us with releases, withholding the release of new codex's, I feel we wont get a new guard codex until 2022 or something sad..

Withholding releases implies the books are done and ready to ship which they most likely aren't. It also implies that you are entitled to these books, which frankly we aren't.

We are also living in extraordinary times so the current release speed is already phenomenal all things considered, especially considering the fact that 40k is not the only game Games Workshop is selling.

Seriously, it takes time to do stuff and expecting people - yes, there are people working on these who get at best average salary - to just burn the midnight oil to please you is not a very good look.

You should try out a different board game to get used to disappointment. FFG/AMG has been having production/delivery issues for some time so I consider myself lucky if I can get my hands on some of the more popular Legion models.

The reason I originally joined dakka was because it was the most reliable way of finding out that there is a new codex coming before it actually went up for pre-order

From a business perspective, it probably makes sense to spread out codices, otherwise they would have to build capacities to release 24(?) books at once and then release nothing else for three years before they release another wave for 24 books for the next edition.

The problem is they teased things, COVID/Brexit caused delays, but kept teasing things so there is a real blockage. Too many things have been teased and not released.

Leaving CSM with 1 wound marines for so long after SM got them is my only quibble with the release schedule.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Leaving CSM with 1 wound marines for so long after SM got them is my only quibble with the release schedule.

They should just have done "this will keep you covered" indexes for all armies like they have done for the SM supplements.