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2021/03/10 16:49:48
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
I think every army needs to focus on the things that need updating THE MOST.
So I don't object to a Vyper up date for the sake of improved pilots and gunners and weapon options. But I would rather see all resin models in the army redone in plastic first, because they need it more.
The most essential update right now is Striking Scorpions, because they are the only non-plastic Aspect that can be used in BOTH 40k and Kill Team. In fact, the Scorpions should debut as a Kill Team, kinda like the Kellermorph and Manipulus did- it would build on what little momentum was gained in the poorly managed Kill Team reboot, and maybe get Kill Team back to where it should be.
The next Warhammer Quest game set in 40k should have a heavy Eldar focus in order to fill out the range with new and interesting Elite character models. It'll be a while before we get one of these though- likely not until Q3 or Q4 of 2022 (I think that's roughly the speed of the delay between Harrenhall and BSF).
2021/03/10 16:54:40
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
You can't interest people in one single updated unit when they think the whole range has issues though. They would probably have more chances with a complete new entry.
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2021/03/10 17:00:28
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
PenitentJake wrote: The most essential update right now is Striking Scorpions, because they are the only non-plastic Aspect that can be used in BOTH 40k and Kill Team. In fact, the Scorpions should debut as a Kill Team
GW do seem fond at the moment of selling double faction packs - drazhar and jain zar, the new piety and pain box. Makes you wonder if they have units like the aspect warriors stretched out over a year or more paired against other model updates.
2021/03/10 17:17:12
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
I would say however you don't earn any allies by then calling people who like the old world " garbage spewing neckbeards "
I'm pretty sure he's specifically calling the people who spew inaccurate nonsense without reading the lore, that other people who haven't read the lore latch onto, and it all becomes a meme. "garbage spewing neckbeards". Don't think he has any problem with people who merely like the old world.
It's kinda hard to find the initial interest to read the lore when you're not interested in the game and/or the miniatures. And it's awkward to get upset when someone writes "cow" instead of "buffalo".
Getting mad at someone because they can't differentiate between a cow and a buffalo, we're obviously the neckbeards in the conversation
You are right in some degree, they are not "bad" models per se, but they are totally out of scale/time with the rest, have you tryed a match eldar vs marine? its like playing two different games
Also, freaking resin
That's due to the very intentional scale creep. Go on photoshop, scale down a primaris to the same 28mm size (give me 28mm or give me death!) as the Eldar, Eldar look far, far less outdated. GW Scale creep is like inflation, the mother of all taxes that devalues your assets and is incredibly hard to effectively hedge against.
Yeah, outside of what has been released since 5/6th (and maybe the wraithlord and warwalker), they need all their infantry and their vehicle (as their sprues are hilarious and vypers need new sculpts) to be brought up to par.
i keep seeing people ask for new vyper sculpts but i never understood why. They don't seem old at all to my eyes and hold up quite well with modern 40k.
Yup vypers still pretty imo, update the Pilots I guess.
Cronch wrote:Eldar vehicle design is stellar, it's proof of how ahead of their time they were that they still hold up 25 years later. It doesn't mean they couldn't do with a redo, with more detail or more multi-pose...how about actual ailerons on them, they're big enough to have poseable ones.Or less completely flat surfaces on the underside etc.
Yup, imo Eldar vehicles are still the best looking in 40k, the Falcon is just a glorious piece of design.
2021/03/10 17:35:00
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
I was talking about Eldar designs and how old != bad.
Ofc everyone have their own taste.
And about "To me, there's something of an inherent contradiction in complaining that a fantasy setting isn't just the things you know and are familiar with endlessly reworked and re-imagined", there are multiple kinds of "fantasy" just as there are multiple kinds of "SciFi". These aren't monolithic genres and there was space for more magically, weird stuff in warhammer fantasy anyway (and some existed), they just couldn't be arsed to do them. Which is ok, what's done is done.
Honestly I wish eldar designs would go back to being crazier. They're extremely restrained now compared to what the Eldar were working with in the super early sculpts. The Jes Goodwin RT Farseer, the models wearing fancy lapelled david bowie V-neck leather jackets over space armor (throwback to when calling eldar armor "mesh" actually made sense!)
I recently got to resurrect a ton of ancient old harlequin models that had been carved up, probably by some kid in the 1990s who wanted to kitbash his models for whatever was the meta weaponry at the time, and it's incredible how safe every new eldar sculpt since I've started playing has been compared to even the most basic models from the RT era. The designers are like
"We want to refresh Wraithguard for the modern age, and we have this idea that some wraithguard are fething CRAZY and they give them giant swords and axes and they go bezerk and chop up enemy soldiers in fountains of gore because they're just so angry about their own deaths..."
"Well OK, but make sure each and every sword and axe looks exactly the same, make sure the shield is identical to the dire avenger shield because we have to keep lore consistency, and their poses have to be extremely bland and simple. No battle damage, definitely nothing that would suggest any of that craziness you mentioned, just keep them perfect and smooth and consistent and well-branded."
Meanwhile, I've got a beheaded version of the crewman from the heavy weapon platform and I decided to give him a Scourge head since that looked good with the model and I didn't have his original head in the lot, and I realized if I wanted to paint him up like David Bowie in the Ziggy Stardust outfit I didn't actually have to do anything to convert him to look like that, because he was already wearing that crazy 1980s deep v-neck space jumpsuit. Jes pre-wackied up the miniature for me.
Hehe.
You know what really bugs me about the Eldar Range? Their "Spirit Walkers". Each one is just a bigger version than the smaller one, with very little variation. A Wraithlord is just a bigger Wraithguard, a Wrath Knight is just a bigger Wraithlord, and all up through the Revenant until the Phantom Titan. Not a lot of variation going on with those. Call me crazy but I prefer the "Big Head" Wraithlord/Eldar Dreadnought over the current design almost entirely because it looks different than the rest of the 'spirit walker' crew.
You know what's funny? To me, it's the wraithknight that drops the ball, and the current wraithlord conveys exactly the design I want.
Wraithlords, by their shape, convey exactly what the designers of the object are trying to do:
Protect one single vital point: the head. Everything else is incredibly lean, slender, and focused on simply giving the dead warrior in the machine the body shape that they're used to piloting. It's the complete inverse of the brutalist design of the space marine dreadnought, which wonderfully conveys the body horror of the setting by the way it shows that the imperium honors its greatest heroes by trapping them in what is essentially just a murder box, capable of violence in simple, inelegant ways and that's. it.
The head is larger and out of proportion because it's the only piece that actually needs to contain any "vital organs". the torso is just a thing to tie the arms and legs to, so it can be small. And unlike the humans in the setting, the eldar don't seem to care nearly as much about projecting beefed-up massively overexaggerated masculine strength to the detriment of the functionality of their designs.
Except for the abs sculpted onto literally every piece of armor they make, but that just ties into my "every Eldar just has massively yoked shredded abs naturally without ever doing a single sit-up, that's just what they look like" headcanon.
The designers of the wraithknight completely threw all that out the window and made the wraithknight have a big stupid puffed-out chest.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2021/03/10 17:54:03
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
The other ball-dropping RE: Wraithknight is that it costs CP for the Detachment required to field it. Imperial Knights have ways to get around that, but Eldar don't.
2021/03/10 17:58:44
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
the_scotsman wrote: You know what's funny? To me, it's the wraithknight that drops the ball, and the current wraithlord conveys exactly the design I want.
Wraithlords, by their shape, convey exactly what the designers of the object are trying to do:
Protect one single vital point: the head. Everything else is incredibly lean, slender, and focused on simply giving the dead warrior in the machine the body shape that they're used to piloting. It's the complete inverse of the brutalist design of the space marine dreadnought, which wonderfully conveys the body horror of the setting by the way it shows that the imperium honors its greatest heroes by trapping them in what is essentially just a murder box, capable of violence in simple, inelegant ways and that's. it.
The head is larger and out of proportion because it's the only piece that actually needs to contain any "vital organs". the torso is just a thing to tie the arms and legs to, so it can be small. And unlike the humans in the setting, the eldar don't seem to care nearly as much about projecting beefed-up massively overexaggerated masculine strength to the detriment of the functionality of their designs.
Except for the abs sculpted onto literally every piece of armor they make, but that just ties into my "every Eldar just has massively yoked shredded abs naturally without ever doing a single sit-up, that's just what they look like" headcanon.
The designers of the wraithknight completely threw all that out the window and made the wraithknight have a big stupid puffed-out chest.
??
The wraithlord has a similar chest. I'm having a hard time conceptualizing the WK without it.
2021/03/10 18:03:09
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
PenitentJake wrote: The other ball-dropping RE: Wraithknight is that it costs CP for the Detachment required to field it. Imperial Knights have ways to get around that, but Eldar don't.
Knights are an army unto themselves, Wraithknights aren't.
And who's to say where/what will happen with the next Eldar/Knight books.
2021/03/10 18:06:09
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
I think you guys are confused. The bar is set so low the CWE fanbase would be content with aspects and PL + AOK being remade in plastic...
We KNOW there is going to be no new stuff... And if it is new stuff it will be at the expense of old stuff we love and it will end up like Kangoroo riders and Mooountain mans... No thanks..
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AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Argive wrote: I think you guys are confused.
The bar is set so low the CWE fanbase would be content with aspects and PL + AOK being remade in plastic...
We KNOW there is going to be no new stuff... And if it is new stuff it will be at the expense of old stuff we love and it will end up like Kangoroo riders and Mooountain mans... No thanks..
Who's we, can I have Kangaroo riders for my CWE?
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2021/03/10 18:27:59
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
Argive wrote: I think you guys are confused.
The bar is set so low the CWE fanbase would be content with aspects and PL + AOK being remade in plastic...
We KNOW there is going to be no new stuff... And if it is new stuff it will be at the expense of old stuff we love and it will end up like Kangoroo riders and Mooountain mans... No thanks..
Who's we, can I have Kangaroo riders for my CWE?
TBH, I would totally buy Kangaroo riders to convert into guard rough riders.
Imperial Guard - 1500 GSC - 250
2021/03/10 18:30:49
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
PenitentJake wrote: The other ball-dropping RE: Wraithknight is that it costs CP for the Detachment required to field it. Imperial Knights have ways to get around that, but Eldar don't.
Knights are an army unto themselves, Wraithknights aren't.
And who's to say where/what will happen with the next Eldar/Knight books.
did monoliths/tesseract arc get special rules that remove their CP cost and loss of access to their Dynastic bonuses?
2021/03/10 18:35:04
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
PenitentJake wrote: The other ball-dropping RE: Wraithknight is that it costs CP for the Detachment required to field it. Imperial Knights have ways to get around that, but Eldar don't.
Knights are an army unto themselves, Wraithknights aren't.
And who's to say where/what will happen with the next Eldar/Knight books.
did monoliths/tesseract arc get special rules that remove their CP cost and loss of access to their Dynastic bonuses?
No, lords of war were last edition. Elite infantry is this edition. you're not supposed to play the last edition's stuff in the new edition, your'e supposed to buy new stuff.
5th edtiion: Transports. You gotta buy a transport for every squad, or else the unit evaporates instantaneously. Every squad you buy, you gotta buy a razorback or a trukk or a raider or a venom or whatever to....theoretically carry it around, but in practice you just leave all your lovingly painted infantry off the side of the table and they only show up on the game board for one turn.
6th edition: Flyers and fortifications
7th edition: Units that GW put in formations
8th edition: Allies, superheavies, and light infantry
9th edition: Elite infantry, and also now you have to expand those allies into full armies or else they suck.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2021/03/10 18:46:27
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
Argive wrote: I think you guys are confused.
The bar is set so low the CWE fanbase would be content with aspects and PL + AOK being remade in plastic...
We KNOW there is going to be no new stuff... And if it is new stuff it will be at the expense of old stuff we love and it will end up like Kangoroo riders and Mooountain mans... No thanks..
Who's we, can I have Kangaroo riders for my CWE?
TBH, I would totally buy Kangaroo riders to convert into guard rough riders.
Hey I got bits from the vanari dawn riders to make shining spears... Those helmets are ace.
Argive wrote: I think you guys are confused.
The bar is set so low the CWE fanbase would be content with aspects and PL + AOK being remade in plastic...
We KNOW there is going to be no new stuff... And if it is new stuff it will be at the expense of old stuff we love and it will end up like Kangoroo riders and Mooountain mans... No thanks..
Who's we, can I have Kangaroo riders for my CWE?
You have CWE ? Sweet.. WHat craftworld do you collect?
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AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
the_scotsman wrote: You know what's funny? To me, it's the wraithknight that drops the ball, and the current wraithlord conveys exactly the design I want.
Wraithlords, by their shape, convey exactly what the designers of the object are trying to do:
Protect one single vital point: the head.
I would have thought that would make for a larger, more armored head like the old model. *shrug*
I can somewhat relate to the OP's sentiment, obviously Marines are GW posterboys but by now it's getting dizzying. Back in the day Marines had Tactical, Devestator and Assault Marines, now we have all sorts of units with cumbersome titles fullfilling every kind of mechanical and narrative niche that GW can find. At this rate it's becoming impossible for other factions not to intrude on Space Marine territory, because they cover an ever broader spectrum.
2021/03/10 19:05:27
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
PenitentJake wrote: The other ball-dropping RE: Wraithknight is that it costs CP for the Detachment required to field it. Imperial Knights have ways to get around that, but Eldar don't.
That's not an Eldar problem, that's a problem with LoWs in general and gw's handling of the SHAD. Eldar shouldn't have to pay CP for their LoWs, but neither should anyone else.
2021/03/10 19:09:43
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
Argive wrote: I think you guys are confused.
The bar is set so low the CWE fanbase would be content with aspects and PL + AOK being remade in plastic...
We KNOW there is going to be no new stuff... And if it is new stuff it will be at the expense of old stuff we love and it will end up like Kangoroo riders and Mooountain mans... No thanks..
Who's we, can I have Kangaroo riders for my CWE?
TBH, I would totally buy Kangaroo riders to convert into guard rough riders.
Hey I got bits from the vanari dawn riders to make shining spears... Those helmets are ace.
Argive wrote: I think you guys are confused.
The bar is set so low the CWE fanbase would be content with aspects and PL + AOK being remade in plastic...
We KNOW there is going to be no new stuff... And if it is new stuff it will be at the expense of old stuff we love and it will end up like Kangoroo riders and Mooountain mans... No thanks..
Who's we, can I have Kangaroo riders for my CWE?
You have CWE ? Sweet.. WHat craftworld do you collect?
All my Eldar are based around my original Harlequin collection - my dark eldar mainly are me wanting a wider variety of options for my Harlequins and thinking it's silly that a Dark Eldar would leave Comorragh to join the harlequins and wouldn't bring with them the weaponry they were used to using and the biological modifications that are the norm in the dark city, so they're heavily converted to look like Harlequins using dark eldar technology. For my Eldar I read about Craftworld Lugganath being a craftworld trying to find a webway portal big enough to leave realspace entirely, who frequently work with corsairs and harlequins to make that goal happen. A lot of my aspect warriors incorporate diamond patterns and harlequins symbols into their armor as tokens of respect for the battles they've fought alongside the harlequins, and my guardian core is heavily storm guardian based with a lot of kabalite bits to make them look like quasi-corsairs.
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dan2026 wrote: Updating one more Aspect in plastic would be completely pointless.
A good 80% of the Eldar range needs a update if its actually going to be a viable army for people to collect.
Guardians, Rangers, even Dire Avengers need an update. In addion to all the Aspects except Banshees.
Eldar are so freaking far behind in releases, its all or nothing at this point.
Are Eldar the only faction with finecast troops at this point? 2/4 of their troop options are finecast. Heck, one of them is a freaking finecast conversion kit.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2021/03/10 19:43:33
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
the_scotsman wrote: Are Eldar the only faction with finecast troops at this point? 2/4 of their troop options are finecast. Heck, one of them is a freaking finecast conversion kit.
All of the non-HQ inquisition units are finecast. Both models.
I thought it was just the rangers that are resin? Guardians, dire avengers, and bikes are all plastic these days aren't they?
2021/03/10 19:44:43
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
the_scotsman wrote: Are Eldar the only faction with finecast troops at this point? 2/4 of their troop options are finecast. Heck, one of them is a freaking finecast conversion kit.
All of the non-HQ inquisition units are finecast. Both models.
I thought it was just the rangers that are resin? Guardians, dire avengers, and bikes are all plastic these days aren't they?
Bikes aren't troops, the fourth is a mixed kit : storm guardians.
2021/03/10 19:49:57
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
Come to think of It, GW really missed their chance to make the 9th edition a full reboot for the hobby, rather I'd mostly ended up being a slick marketing campaign and a boatload of Marine releases that only obfuscates what said factions stands for or has to offer to a new player.
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2021/03/10 19:52:46
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
Argive wrote: I think you guys are confused.
The bar is set so low the CWE fanbase would be content with aspects and PL + AOK being remade in plastic...
We KNOW there is going to be no new stuff... And if it is new stuff it will be at the expense of old stuff we love and it will end up like Kangoroo riders and Mooountain mans... No thanks..
Who's we, can I have Kangaroo riders for my CWE?
TBH, I would totally buy Kangaroo riders to convert into guard rough riders.
Hey I got bits from the vanari dawn riders to make shining spears... Those helmets are ace.
Argive wrote: I think you guys are confused.
The bar is set so low the CWE fanbase would be content with aspects and PL + AOK being remade in plastic...
We KNOW there is going to be no new stuff... And if it is new stuff it will be at the expense of old stuff we love and it will end up like Kangoroo riders and Mooountain mans... No thanks..
Who's we, can I have Kangaroo riders for my CWE?
You have CWE ? Sweet.. WHat craftworld do you collect?
All my Eldar are based around my original Harlequin collection - my dark eldar mainly are me wanting a wider variety of options for my Harlequins and thinking it's silly that a Dark Eldar would leave Comorragh to join the harlequins and wouldn't bring with them the weaponry they were used to using and the biological modifications that are the norm in the dark city, so they're heavily converted to look like Harlequins using dark eldar technology. For my Eldar I read about Craftworld Lugganath being a craftworld trying to find a webway portal big enough to leave realspace entirely, who frequently work with corsairs and harlequins to make that goal happen. A lot of my aspect warriors incorporate diamond patterns and harlequins symbols into their armor as tokens of respect for the battles they've fought alongside the harlequins, and my guardian core is heavily storm guardian based with a lot of kabalite bits to make them look like quasi-corsairs.
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dan2026 wrote: Updating one more Aspect in plastic would be completely pointless.
A good 80% of the Eldar range needs a update if its actually going to be a viable army for people to collect.
Guardians, Rangers, even Dire Avengers need an update. In addion to all the Aspects except Banshees.
Eldar are so freaking far behind in releases, its all or nothing at this point.
Are Eldar the only faction with finecast troops at this point? 2/4 of their troop options are finecast. Heck, one of them is a freaking finecast conversion kit.
Nice fluff.
My homebrew craftworld is all about recovering real space territory and then attempt to break into the black library to get some OG tech back. Theres gotta be some way to resist slanesh right ? :p
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Didn't they already do a full reset with 8th though? There is no way they would do two edition resets back to back.
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
2021/03/10 20:33:54
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
PenitentJake wrote: I think every army needs to focus on the things that need updating THE MOST.
So I don't object to a Vyper up date for the sake of improved pilots and gunners and weapon options. But I would rather see all resin models in the army redone in plastic first, because they need it more.
That's the entire army, if we're honest. Realistically speaking, the wraiths and knight and warwalker (and banshees and Jain) will stay, but everything prior to that must be replaced. Yes, including the lovely but now showing it's age Falcon. Without that, you're just throwing good money after rotting corpse of an army.
Part of the problem is that Jes' initial 2ed design worked so well everyone's been terrified of going out of it's comfort zone. Eldar have been locked in aesthetically so much that there's no space for new units that don't just look like more of the same. Aspects are just guardians with fancy headdress and special weapons (or big backpacks in case of spiders), all wraiths look the same, and all the HQ looks like coneheads in bathrobes.
It's a good starting point, but there must be some divergence to open up new units and design philosophies.
2021/03/10 20:47:32
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
Cronch wrote: That's the entire army, if we're honest. Realistically speaking, the wraiths and knight and warwalker (and banshees and Jain) will stay, but everything prior to that must be replaced. Yes, including the lovely but now showing it's age Falcon. Without that, you're just throwing good money after rotting corpse of an army.
Assuming they kept the recent 6e stuff (flyers, etc) that would be around a dozen squad boxes of various types (including bikes, warlocks, support weapons, etc), half a dozen vehcle/walker/MC kits, and about a dozen character kits.
So 30-ish releases of which around two-thirds are big multipart kits.
2021/03/10 20:50:23
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
Cronch wrote: That's the entire army, if we're honest. Realistically speaking, the wraiths and knight and warwalker (and banshees and Jain) will stay, but everything prior to that must be replaced. Yes, including the lovely but now showing it's age Falcon. Without that, you're just throwing good money after rotting corpse of an army.
Assuming they kept the recent 6e stuff (flyers, etc) that would be around a dozen squad boxes of various types (including bikes, warlocks, support weapons, etc), half a dozen vehcle/walker/MC kits, and about a dozen character kits.
So 30-ish releases of which around two-thirds are big multipart kits.
That is what happens when you completely neglect updating an army while making multiple new generations of space marine kits.
And there are multiple armies in this state at this point, tho not as bad as Eldar.
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2021/03/10 20:55:43
Subject: Losing Interest in 40k, thanks to Space Marines
So 30-ish releases of which around two-thirds are big multipart kits.
Perfect chance to consolidate it into kits that make multiple unit types. And maybe cut some, as heretical as it sounds. If swooping hawks are gone, maybe warp spiders can be now slightly better. If Spiders are gone, maybe the swooping hawks can be buffed to not be useless. Shining spears god bless them never really seemed to fit that well. Combine warlocks, farseers and spiritseers and bonesingers into one box with 5 models giving you option for 5 warlocks or 5 different chars.
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Eldar- 4436 pts
Imperial Guard - 1500 
GSC - 250 
