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Quasistellar wrote: Anyone who is upset with this idea. . . Like, you being upset about it literally doesn't matter. Such bizarre takes about "diluting IP".
Neckbeards gonna neckbeard, I guess.
I don't get into MTG due to the random card pack model, but if this is some kind of one off set with all you need, and they maybe do an AoS version I could see myself picking it up.
Oh look at that, they may have just gotten someone who doesn't normally buy MTG to buy MTG. Funny how that works! And the people who do normally buy it but don't want it "diluted" by warhammer can just keep on buying the normal stuff.
This is a bizarre take in and of itself. Do you think that people shouldn't complain (or is it shouldn't be able to complain? unsure) about things they personally dislike because the CEO of Hasbro isn't going to come down from his ivory tower and agree with them? Or am I misunderstanding something here?
MrMoustaffa wrote: I really dont care for magic but neat to hear for the folks that like both. I can hear wallets screaming in pain from here though
*Raises hand* I'll testify to that. I got into Magic back in the 90's and still kept up with my WHFB armies at the time. So yes, it was very expensive. Not buying back into Magic (40k or regular), and am reducing my overall games/mini purchasing anyway. Got so much stuff already ...
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I think you mean ambition, but Black in Magic was Death, so I'd go with Necrons. Although an argument could be made that Necrons are Artifacts, but a rule would be needed since anyone can play an Artifact, and Necrons Do Not play well with others.
Red for Orks works, since Red = Destruction and War in Magic.
As for Blue = Eldar, easily, since all the time and fate cards are Blue, and even now Magic players complain about Blue Control players like mini gamers complain about That F g Guy.
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First, I'm wondering if there will be new and interesting characters that can inspire conversions.
I wonder if the game will operate in a way where it suggests unique missions/ scenarios that can be brought to the tabletop.
I wonder if this will provide an opportunity for GW to show us visual representations of things we haven't seen yet. I've been wondering what an Abbess of the SOB might look like; what the Convent Prioris might look like.
I'm wondering if you'll be able to cut cards and build frames that allow you to use them as portraits for interior detail on custom terrain... or use digital projection to transfer the images to the flat surfaces of vehicles to trace and paint?
I remember trying to run a Dark Heresy game for friends who had never played 40k, and they had a hard time absorbing as much of the setting as they thought they needed to enjoy the game. Betcha dollars to donuts that playing 5 or 6 games of 40k magic would have allowed them to engage.
I'm looking forward to more information on the project. I figure land will become specific planets- or in the case of Eldar, Craftworlds. So it's locations that are favourable to a specific faction...
xeen wrote: I play magic with my nephews who are to young for 40k. I think this will be cool, and may bring younger players into the game.
That might be the corporate thinking. Get them hooked on the IP when young, then they'll graduate to the minis side and spend big (or get their parents to spend big).
xeen wrote: I play magic with my nephews who are to young for 40k. I think this will be cool, and may bring younger players into the game.
But isn't this the from the vault thing. the thing is region locked. good for US, bad for everyone else.
For MtG players, I hope non of the cards end up being obligatory for commander.
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
Quasistellar wrote: Anyone who is upset with this idea. . . Like, you being upset about it literally doesn't matter. Such bizarre takes about "diluting IP".
Neckbeards gonna neckbeard, I guess.
I don't get into MTG due to the random card pack model, but if this is some kind of one off set with all you need, and they maybe do an AoS version I could see myself picking it up.
Oh look at that, they may have just gotten someone who doesn't normally buy MTG to buy MTG. Funny how that works! And the people who do normally buy it but don't want it "diluted" by warhammer can just keep on buying the normal stuff.
This is a bizarre take in and of itself. Do you think that people shouldn't complain (or is it shouldn't be able to complain? unsure) about things they personally dislike because the CEO of Hasbro isn't going to come down from his ivory tower and agree with them? Or am I misunderstanding something here?
Not sure where the CEO of Hasbro got involved. Quasi is just suggesting this is akin to flipping out because there are Star Wars toys in a Mcdonald's happy meal. Or Dragonball or Doctor Who themed Monopoly boards (to cite 2 examples from hundreds).
It doesn't affect normal games of Magic or 40k in any way at all.
Quasistellar wrote: Anyone who is upset with this idea. . . Like, you being upset about it literally doesn't matter. Such bizarre takes about "diluting IP".
Neckbeards gonna neckbeard, I guess.
I don't get into MTG due to the random card pack model, but if this is some kind of one off set with all you need, and they maybe do an AoS version I could see myself picking it up.
Oh look at that, they may have just gotten someone who doesn't normally buy MTG to buy MTG. Funny how that works! And the people who do normally buy it but don't want it "diluted" by warhammer can just keep on buying the normal stuff.
This is a bizarre take in and of itself. Do you think that people shouldn't complain (or is it shouldn't be able to complain? unsure) about things they personally dislike because the CEO of Hasbro isn't going to come down from his ivory tower and agree with them? Or am I misunderstanding something here?
Slight misunderstanding. I'm saying your complaints don't matter. Not that you shouldn't if it makes you feel better, I guess.
Quasistellar wrote: Anyone who is upset with this idea. . . Like, you being upset about it literally doesn't matter. Such bizarre takes about "diluting IP".
Neckbeards gonna neckbeard, I guess.
I don't get into MTG due to the random card pack model, but if this is some kind of one off set with all you need, and they maybe do an AoS version I could see myself picking it up.
Oh look at that, they may have just gotten someone who doesn't normally buy MTG to buy MTG. Funny how that works! And the people who do normally buy it but don't want it "diluted" by warhammer can just keep on buying the normal stuff.
This is a bizarre take in and of itself. Do you think that people shouldn't complain (or is it shouldn't be able to complain? unsure) about things they personally dislike because the CEO of Hasbro isn't going to come down from his ivory tower and agree with them? Or am I misunderstanding something here?
Not sure where the CEO of Hasbro got involved. Quasi is just suggesting this is akin to flipping out because there are Star Wars toys in a Mcdonald's happy meal. Or Dragonball or Doctor Who themed Monopoly boards (to cite 2 examples from hundreds).
It doesn't affect normal games of Magic or 40k in any way at all.
Yeah this.
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From where I'm sitting this whole "debate" is rather amusing.
Particularly given the amount of times people on these boards tell people like me that the "GW hobby" is a premium product, a premium brand, premium this, premium that, as if they're somehow part of an expensive members only yacht club and would rather keep the riff raff out.
Even GW had stated similar things to that effect, or so I've been led to believe.
And yet...
I'd wager many of those same people are happy to see GW firing off licences left right and centre for any old tat piece of merch...
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Quasistellar wrote: Anyone who is upset with this idea. . . Like, you being upset about it literally doesn't matter. Such bizarre takes about "diluting IP".
Neckbeards gonna neckbeard, I guess.
I don't get into MTG due to the random card pack model, but if this is some kind of one off set with all you need, and they maybe do an AoS version I could see myself picking it up.
Oh look at that, they may have just gotten someone who doesn't normally buy MTG to buy MTG. Funny how that works! And the people who do normally buy it but don't want it "diluted" by warhammer can just keep on buying the normal stuff.
This is a bizarre take in and of itself. Do you think that people shouldn't complain (or is it shouldn't be able to complain? unsure) about things they personally dislike because the CEO of Hasbro isn't going to come down from his ivory tower and agree with them? Or am I misunderstanding something here?
Slight misunderstanding. I'm saying your complaints don't matter. Not that you shouldn't if it makes you feel better, I guess.
Sure, obviously my complaints don't matter, not unless there are a lot of people who agree with me and act accordingly. However, I don't see the harm of someone saying that they think something like this is annoying or kind of dumb. If you think it isn't, I wish you the best, but I would personally prefer if these sorts of releases weren't so emphasized in modern Magic and 40k.
I was cool with the Funkos not gonna lie. My girlfriend got me the Space Wolves one (even though I HATE Space Wolves) but it's thr thought that counts and it sits happily on my desk.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
Not sure where the CEO of Hasbro got involved. Quasi is just suggesting this is akin to flipping out because there are Star Wars toys in a Mcdonald's happy meal. Or Dragonball or Doctor Who themed Monopoly boards (to cite 2 examples from hundreds).
It doesn't affect normal games of Magic or 40k in any way at all.
that depends on what border the cards end up with. Remember the worlds reactions, specially the part that is region locked out from getting from the vault stuff, when WoTC made the Walking Dead cards both powerful and legal to use in commander?
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
No, my point is that GW are using a scatter gun and trying to inject their IP into anything that goes. There have been very few video games with GW's IP that have done well.
I'm surprised we haven't had cereal brand tie ins or a Happy Meal range.
And it only takes 1 item, such as Dawn of War III to devalue a brand. When it comes to GW video games there's been several, DoW III was just the most recent poorly done title that generated a lot of negativity.
You know, people claim GW's product is akin to owning a Ferrari, a premium product. Well Ferrari don't just allow any old tat to be produced with their brand on it, in fact they've litigated against various poor quality items that have tried to use their brand. GW don't seem to care in that respect. They issue a licence for video games like giving out sweets at a party! There's been rumblings in the video game news/reviews/fan media about it because so many, many, many of the games are poor.
They seem to be following that route with other stuff also.
Well sure if you believe plastic miniatures have the same value as a Ferrari, I can see how this would "devalue the brand".
Although I seriously question that belief.
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Not sure where the CEO of Hasbro got involved. Quasi is just suggesting this is akin to flipping out because there are Star Wars toys in a Mcdonald's happy meal. Or Dragonball or Doctor Who themed Monopoly boards (to cite 2 examples from hundreds).
It doesn't affect normal games of Magic or 40k in any way at all.
that depends on what border the cards end up with. Remember the worlds reactions, specially the part that is region locked out from getting from the vault stuff, when WoTC made the Walking Dead cards both powerful and legal to use in commander?
I definitely don't remember the 'world's' reaction to... whatever you're talking about.
I have friends who are absolute ravenus for 40K, but they have never bought, touched or painted a miniature. They have played many games with the 40K IP though. Fantasy too.
So do I. But I can see it from their perspective. FYI I don't subscribe to the "GW hobby is a premium product" attitude, and it is an attitude among those who subscribe to it. I just see where the guy who mentioned devaluing the brand is coming from.
I have friends who are absolute ravenus for 40K, but they have never bought, touched or painted a miniature. They have played many games with the 40K IP though. Fantasy too.
Warhammer: Mark of Chaos
Warhammer: Battle March
Warhammer: Chaosbane
Warhammer 40,000: Glory in Death
Warhammer 40,000: Squad Command
Warhammer 40,000: Kill Team
Warhammer 40,000: Armageddon
Warhammer 40,000: Space Wolf
Warhammer 40,000: Carnage
Warhammer 40,000: Storm of Vengeance
Warhammer 40,000: Regicide
The Horus Heresy: Drop Assault
Warhammer 40,000: Deathwatch – Tyranid Invasion
Legacy of Dorn: Herald of Oblivion
Warhammer 40,000: Freeblade
Eisenhorn: Xenos
Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade
Space Hulk: Deathwing
Warhammer 40,000: Inquisitor - Martyr
Warhammer 40,000: Gladius - Relics of War
The Horus Heresy: Legions
Warhammer 40,000: Mechanicus
The Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth
Necromunda: Underhive Wars
Warhammer 40,000: Dakka Squadron
Aeronautica Imperialis: Flight Command
Corsiar Man O War
Didn't/haven't.
So many of those are regarded as not very good at being 40k/AoS/WHFB games or just even the game they are if you take away GW's IP, both by fans and reviewers. And that list above is just a handful of games using GW's IP that have been made, particularly over the last 10 years.
Seems to have been more of a problem in the last 7 or so years, but also only because so many video games get made these days.
GW's video game library is considered in the same way that a library of move tie in video games is considered...
Just an observation. Nothing more.
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No, my point is that GW are using a scatter gun and trying to inject their IP into anything that goes. There have been very few video games with GW's IP that have done well.
I'm surprised we haven't had cereal brand tie ins or a Happy Meal range.
And it only takes 1 item, such as Dawn of War III to devalue a brand. When it comes to GW video games there's been several, DoW III was just the most recent poorly done title that generated a lot of negativity.
You know, people claim GW's product is akin to owning a Ferrari, a premium product. Well Ferrari don't just allow any old tat to be produced with their brand on it, in fact they've litigated against various poor quality items that have tried to use their brand. GW don't seem to care in that respect. They issue a licence for video games like giving out sweets at a party! There's been rumblings in the video game news/reviews/fan media about it because so many, many, many of the games are poor.
They seem to be following that route with other stuff also.
Well sure if you believe plastic miniatures have the same value as a Ferrari, I can see how this would "devalue the brand".
Although I seriously question that belief.
Nice strawman. Try reading what he said next time, and not what you thought he said.
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If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
I have a closet full of MtG cards and tables full of 40k. I like them both, just like I enjoy TTPRGs and Computer RPGs. I can like all sorts of imaginary things
40K plus Magic? Why not...call it warp shenanigans and enjoy it. Or don't and just not buy it. Too many jackwads in the world already...no need to be another one. If you don't like something, that's fine. No need to argue about it. Be happy for other people who will like it.
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Kain said: "This will surely end in tears for everyone involved. How very 40k." lilahking said "the imperium would rather die than work with itself"
Rob Lee wrote: And yet, I fail to see why 40k or any of GW's products even need it...
More engagement. Not everyone likes the idea of buying and painting an army, but the lore is really enticing and giving people light weight avenues to enjoy it just gives GW more diversity and durability.
Buying and painting an army is what 40k is about. GW are a miniatures company. They sell miniatures so that you can...
...buy and paint an army. OMG!
Very doubtful that the majority of MTG players are going to go that route, or they'd already be doing so.
Not sure I see how diluting that down by bringing in brands that bear no relation to miniatures games, and just having people enjoying just the lore, unless GW want to become a book only company (like Osprey Games), does anything useful for either GW or "the hobby" itself. They don't need to diversify and they don't necessarily need any more durability - they've been around for just over as long as I have, and make profits in the 10s to 100s of millions.
It's just GW using their "blunderbuss of marketing +1" to try and push their IP into even more crevices that they really don't need to.
I might be inclined to agree were it not for the literally astounding feats individuals have go through to make fan videos. There's a real demand for content.
Any card, comic book, video game, and so on is another opportunity to capture the imagination of kids and adults alike. I got in through Hero Quest and a catalog.
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote: I was cool with the Funkos not gonna lie. My girlfriend got me the Space Wolves one (even though I HATE Space Wolves) but it's thr thought that counts and it sits happily on my desk.
She's a keeper.
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Ive been playing a lot of MTG arena.. The game is not great... Trying to depend on algorythm for luck just sucks.. But was planning on doing some limited events as by far I enjoy doing drafts/sealed as everyone is on equal footing and its a lot more random. I certainly wouldint want to sink a small house's worth of ££ on picture cards that will loose value as soon as they are banned/ rotated out or my fiancee might leave before laughing at me...
But doing some limited events and selling off my winnings/ trading with people for cards that I can sell would to recoup £ could be fun way. I used to love MTG back in the day but boy oh boy is the set cycle ramped up now trying to keep up is like having new wave of new and different OP primaris every 3 months.
I have to say though 40kMTG concept just doesnt work for me. Not sure how they will do it as MTG doesn't exactly scream; "moar guns.. bigger guns.. all the time". the chaosy theme and WHFB/AOS setting would be far more appropriate IMO. Just don't see it working with 40k... Theres been a few different card games based around 40k already and they flopped. Even the mobile digital verions.. The IP just doesn't lend itself to a card game.
ALSO: How are ever Wizards of the Woke EVER going to reconcile the fact there are no woman space marines?? Surely there will be some at WOTC that will twitter storm the hell out of GW...
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AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
I could see it working; land isn't mana, it's munitions (still functions the same, just called something different); instants aren't spells- they are battlefield strategies and gambits; monsters are units. Not very elegant, but functional.
I've played a lot of CCGs. Magic is the most popular, but it wasn't my favourite. Legend of the Five Rings, Rage, Vampire the Eternal Struggle, On the Edge... all better games IMHO. And 40k may have been a better fit for them... But not as much reach as they get with Magic
Flipsiders wrote: As someone who plays both Magic and 40k, I will not be wasting my money on this. Putting 40k in magic somehow devalues both of the IPs at the same time.
MTG has been on a downhill slide with crappy art, uninspired stories and generic and bland card types for over a decade thanks to Mark "I can't ever commit to one design philosophy" Rosewater. I bailed on the game about 10 years ago and this won't make me come back. Also, it really does feel like Games Workshop has become a company that just sells IP licenses. It's popping up everywhere these days.
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PenitentJake wrote: I could see it working; land isn't mana, it's munitions (still functions the same, just called something different); instants aren't spells- they are battlefield strategies and gambits; monsters are units. Not very elegant, but functional.
I've played a lot of CCGs. Magic is the most popular, but it wasn't my favourite. Legend of the Five Rings, Rage, Vampire the Eternal Struggle, On the Edge... all better games IMHO. And 40k may have been a better fit for them... But not as much reach as they get with Magic
L5R was truly unique, and one of the most inclusive and well rounded gaming communities I've ever had the privilege to play with. The stuff that the players were able to do in the early days of the game was nothing short of amazing, and there were so many unique experiences from the Phoenix traitor at the Day of Thunder, to the Naga incident, to the Doji Hatori "egg of Panku" incident. It's truly a shame that the game has died and been largely forgotten by the greater gaming community.
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Argive wrote: Ive been playing a lot of MTG arena.. The game is not great... Trying to depend on algorythm for luck just sucks.. But was planning on doing some limited events as by far I enjoy doing drafts/sealed as everyone is on equal footing and its a lot more random.
I certainly wouldint want to sink a small house's worth of ££ on picture cards that will loose value as soon as they are banned/ rotated out or my fiancee might leave before laughing at me...
But doing some limited events and selling off my winnings/ trading with people for cards that I can sell would to recoup £ could be fun way. I used to love MTG back in the day but boy oh boy is the set cycle ramped up now trying to keep up is like having new wave of new and different OP primaris every 3 months.
I have to say though 40kMTG concept just doesnt work for me. Not sure how they will do it as MTG doesn't exactly scream; "moar guns.. bigger guns.. all the time". the chaosy theme and WHFB/AOS setting would be far more appropriate IMO. Just don't see it working with 40k... Theres been a few different card games based around 40k already and they flopped. Even the mobile digital verions.. The IP just doesn't lend itself to a card game.
ALSO:
How are ever Wizards of the Woke EVER going to reconcile the fact there are no woman space marines?? Surely there will be some at WOTC that will twitter storm the hell out of GW...
It may very well lead to female space marines.
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Or they have a Sister of Battle on a card. Pretty easy solution there.
You don't know Magics current fanbase do you? The very fact that there is a "no girls allowed" faction will draw ire from the more rabid part of the WOTC fanbase. I guarantee it.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Or they have a Sister of Battle on a card. Pretty easy solution there.
You don't know Magics current fanbase do you? The very fact that there is a "no girls allowed" faction will draw ire from the more rabid part of the WOTC fanbase. I guarantee it.
The fan base of WOTC won't express enough familiarty to even know there's a difference between the two. Anyone familiar with both franchises has either already made their complaints known before this or doesn't care.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
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