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 Eldarsif wrote:

 RaptorusRex wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:

 jaredb wrote:
The Exorcist chapter is really cool, I do look forward to reading about them in the next issue. I'm happy to read about different marine chapters. I think Aeldari stuff is cool too, but doesn't inspire me the same way the lore of different marine chapters do.

Which does point out to one of the worst imbalance in the game. Marines have a plethora and wealth of lore that we probably now know which toilet paper or three sea shells Azrael uses and what Cigar type Fabius likes. Meanwhile all of xenos is played as "mysterious" threats that we do not know the full scope of which ends up with the problem that you have an easier time to get yourself into the spirit of a marine chapter than xenos.

Basically all the xenos races need more lore and fiction written about them.

This is not the case in the slightest. All the Tabletop Xenos races are fairly well-developed. We know how Tau and Eldar lives are structured, for example.

I am referring to the overall lore which includes the novels as well. A huge exploration for players of their faction's lore involves the novels and there the Space Marines are featured a majority of the time which gives players a greater insight into the Imperium, their chapter(as well as friendly imperium factions/chapters), as well as a varied group of named characters. I mean, Space Marines have over 50 books detailing the fall of the Imperium and how it affects Space Marines in their internal fighting.

Yeah, reminded me we dont even have a book explaing the fall and the creation of slaanesh and thus the eye of terror, in theory is an event even more importat for the 40k universe than the horus heresy if you think about it

I got really excited for a second when I saw an Eldar on the cover.

Then I got sad.

Can't wait to see how they show you how to paint the white armour. "Here's the classic method where you layer 18 different greys to get to white eventually but wait, here is the contrast method, slop on apothecary white for a dirty grey!"

I was excited to see Eldar on the cover until I found out it was literally a cover.

 dan2026 wrote:
I got really excited for a second when I saw an Eldar on the cover.

Then I got sad.

Me too. :(

 InVerno wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:

 RaptorusRex wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:

 jaredb wrote:
The Exorcist chapter is really cool, I do look forward to reading about them in the next issue. I'm happy to read about different marine chapters. I think Aeldari stuff is cool too, but doesn't inspire me the same way the lore of different marine chapters do.

Which does point out to one of the worst imbalance in the game. Marines have a plethora and wealth of lore that we probably now know which toilet paper or three sea shells Azrael uses and what Cigar type Fabius likes. Meanwhile all of xenos is played as "mysterious" threats that we do not know the full scope of which ends up with the problem that you have an easier time to get yourself into the spirit of a marine chapter than xenos.

Basically all the xenos races need more lore and fiction written about them.

This is not the case in the slightest. All the Tabletop Xenos races are fairly well-developed. We know how Tau and Eldar lives are structured, for example.

I am referring to the overall lore which includes the novels as well. A huge exploration for players of their faction's lore involves the novels and there the Space Marines are featured a majority of the time which gives players a greater insight into the Imperium, their chapter(as well as friendly imperium factions/chapters), as well as a varied group of named characters. I mean, Space Marines have over 50 books detailing the fall of the Imperium and how it affects Space Marines in their internal fighting.

Yeah, reminded me we dont even have a book explaing the fall and the creation of slaanesh and thus the eye of terror, in theory is an event even more importat for the 40k universe than the horus heresy if you think about it

I think the Asurmam book covers that.

Two pages of people discussing this. I bet if you all sent emails to GW asking for more focus on your Xenos and Chaos armies, they might see the increased interest as a sign that it's time to do something about it. Just a thought.

There was actually a letter they published in WD about a year ago, calling attention to how skewed their coverage of Marines was and how it would've been nice to get more varied "Index" articles along with conversion/kitbash stuff that wasn't just Marines.

Of course the reply kind of fobbed them off a bit and said they could buy Phoenix Rising to get some custom Craftworld traits. Plus, uh, I guess we've had that Index Xenos Orks article since then.

Like the game in general, their AOS coverage is way more balanced and varied. The Tome Celestial series puts the Index stuff to shame in its variety but also the quality of rules it puts out too.

Well Marines need more models and rules, in fact I bet we see some nifty new hidden marine unit must haves soon. It's been too long, we need to know what year full of marines we should be expecting soon.

Maybe even a handful more unique armed captains and some savory Lts to hang out with them.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
Well Marines need more models and rules, in fact I bet we see some nifty new hidden marine unit must haves soon. It's been too long, we need to know what year full of marines we should be expecting soon.

Maybe even a handful more unique armed captains and some savory Lts to hang out with them.

Not even kidding, saw a post on insta that they will release heavy intercessors soon

Gonna still play with my '93 warp spiders i guess


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 Togusa wrote:
Two pages of people discussing this. I bet if you all sent emails to GW asking for more focus on your Xenos and Chaos armies, they might see the increased interest as a sign that it's time to do something about it. Just a thought.

Yeah like they dont know that we are so mad, they just have to open reddit/dakka or literally every other forum to know that people are so tired of getting SM in theyr throat

 Togusa wrote:
Two pages of people discussing this. I bet if you all sent emails to GW asking for more focus on your Xenos and Chaos armies, they might see the increased interest as a sign that it's time to do something about it. Just a thought.

Adorable as it is that you think two pages is impressive, you have a point. Dunno if they'll pay attention to it but this does exist:

https://complaints.games-workshop.com/

Here is the thing, even if they did give a gak, you wouldn't see any changes for at least around a year as the releases are all trickling out still.

I get people are annoyed at people being annoyed with Marines but really, they didn't just jump the shark with marine love\ but they filled the oceans with never ending sharknados of Marine love at this point, and I love Marines, have 3 or 4 different groups of them in fact.

I quietly now dread to hear about even more Marines once the heavy ints land proper.

 CEO Kasen wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Two pages of people discussing this. I bet if you all sent emails to GW asking for more focus on your Xenos and Chaos armies, they might see the increased interest as a sign that it's time to do something about it. Just a thought.

Adorable as it is that you think two pages is impressive, you have a point. Dunno if they'll pay attention to it but this does exist:

https://complaints.games-workshop.com/

you know, you are right, i wrote them a costruttive essay on why xeno should get some love

doing my part

Will I get shanked for pointing out we're still in Covid, the wake of a new edition release and the UK is just now sort of out of the EU? A new edition always means more marines and the UK still has one of the worst Covid runs. FW is running super low on stock because it can't have people in the factory. GW is just running its schedule that has been postponed at least a couple of months at this point due to supply, workforce, and delivery issues.
As for WD, it just picks something from the issue and then puts it on the cover. Eldar has a feature, that means Eldar on the cover even if they aren't "top billing". It was the same with Feb's issue, which has Slaanesh on the cover but the first article was about Ossiarch and Flesh-Eaters.
I'm not saying you're not allowed to be mad but getting mad over a monthly magazine cover is peak internet.

Yeah I was excited for about 3 seconds when I saw the article with that cover. Then I read the blurb and realised there is zero content related to the cover... I was going to make a post about it but just didint have the energy.. Im glad OP and others have pointed this out.

As per usual. I love how people are telling us its not the case at all and non-marines are represented. In the last 12 months worth of WD, how many "special *NEW NEW* chapters have we had ?" 3 or 4 ?

Now imagine being a Guard player with how often they're featured in articles or art.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Now imagine being a Guard player with how often they're featured in articles or art.

Guard at least gets new stuff here and there. In the last decade we've gotten: Ogryns, Commissars, Ratlings, and Stormtroopers re-done, I think even the Leman Russ kit has been re-done? We got Baneblades and Valkyries and Tauroxs, we got (and lost) Vostroyans.

What new models have the Eldar gotten during that time?

Spiritseers, Wraithguard(dual kit with Wraithblades even), Wraithknights, Wraithlords, Eldrad, Jetbikes, Skyrunner Warlock/Farseer, Farseer, Autarch(a Direct Only model though), Wave Serpent, Fire Prism/Night Spinner, Hemlock/Crimson Hunter fighter, Webway Gate, War Walker+Support Platforms, Dire Avengers(they've even been reboxed from 10 to 5 much to everyone's lament) and within the last year Howling Banshees and Jain Zar.

Note: I'm not sure that Vostroyans, Baneblades, Ratlings, the LRBT revision(because that's what it was: a revision of the kit. It removed the old track+wheel assembly in favor of a simplified tracks stuck between the track assemblies and added turret options in plastic then split it between the Demolisher and Battle Tank boxes), or Valkyries actually came out "in the last decade". Valkyries first made their appearance in plastic, at the least, back in the 2008 codex and Vostroyans were also mentioned in there.

I think the Eldar War Walkers, Dire Avengers, and Support/Weapon Platforms were similar timeframes.
Eldar have gotten attention. It's not necessarily the attention they want or need...but it's not like Guard where their main squad and its option is spread across three heckin' boxes(Infantry Squad+Command Squad+Heavy Weapons Squad boxes equals one fully kitted out Infantry Squad that is not just taking a Flamethrower or Grenade Launcher plus a heavy weapons option).

 Kanluwen wrote:
Spiritseers, Wraithguard(dual kit with Wraithblades even), Wraithknights, Wraithlords no , Eldrad, Jetbikes, Skyrunner Warlock/Farseer, Farseer, Autarch(a Direct Only model though), Wave Serpentno , Fire Prism/Night Spinnerno , Hemlock/Crimson Hunter fighter, Webway Gate, War Walker+Support Platformsno , Dire Avengers(they've even been reboxed from 10 to 5 much to everyone's lament) no, except for the reboxing and within the last year Howling Banshees and Jain Zar.

Note: I'm not sure that Vostroyans, Baneblades, Ratlings, the LRBT revision(because that's what it was: a revision of the kit. It removed the old track+wheel assembly in favor of a simplified tracks stuck between the track assemblies and added turret options in plastic then split it between the Demolisher and Battle Tank boxes), or Valkyries actually came out "in the last decade". Valkyries first made their appearance in plastic, at the least, back in the 2008 codex and Vostroyans were also mentioned in there.

I think the Eldar War Walkers, Dire Avengers, and Support/Weapon Platforms were similar timeframes.
Eldar have gotten attention. It's not necessarily the attention they want or need...but it's not like Guard where their main squad and its option is spread across three heckin' boxes(Infantry Squad+Command Squad+Heavy Weapons Squad boxes equals one fully kitted out Infantry Squad that is not just taking a Flamethrower or Grenade Launcher plus a heavy weapons option).

A decade ago was 2011. The ones i've highlighted in red there were '06.

For both factions, we're essentially talking models released in 6th edition or later. I thought Vostroyans were 5th ed, not 6th, but on the other hand you've probably missed the Hydra/Wyvern from that list. Valkyrie might've been 5th, too (though as a skimmer rather than an aircraft).

Eldar stuff since 2011? Wraithknight, for one thing. New Jetbikes, I think. Farseer/Warlock on Jetbike. Plastic Wraithguard/blades. Howling Banshees. Jain Zar. Spiritseer? Plastic Eldrad. Plastic Farseer? Crimson Hunter and Hemlock?

When was the Fire Prism/Night Spinner kit released?

And if you're counting the Scions stuff, then I could argue for the Harlequin release to be counted...

Thanks Scotsman. I genuinely just remember things coming in plastic from metals via the whole Medusa V and Armored Spearhead WD stuff.

Yeah. Guard releases and eldar releases for the past decade have been pretty comparable (read: Abysmal).

Guard have gotten basically ogryn, wyvern/hydra, scions, plastic commissar and that's...kinda it since the age of the Vostroyans?

 Dysartes wrote:
For both factions, we're essentially talking models released in 6th edition or later. I thought Vostroyans were 5th ed, not 6th, but on the other hand you've probably missed the Hydra/Wyvern from that list. Valkyrie might've been 5th, too (though as a skimmer rather than an aircraft).

Vostroyans and Valkyries both were in the 2008 Cruddace book. Hydra was too, but didn't get a model till the Wyvern came out.

And if you're counting the Scions stuff, then I could argue for the Harlequin release to be counted...

I purposely left that out as it also got removed from the main Eldar range then.

I didn't even go into the Finecast range...that would add two different Autarchs, Yriel, Illic Nightspear, and the Bonesinger at the least.

Taurox (and Taurox Prime) in the Scions release, and assorted one-off characters during 8th (Sly Marbo, Severina Raine, the two Catachans).

Didn't even get a model during Gathering Storm, despite Cadia going boom, and I don't think anything came out alongside the 8th ed 'dex.

the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah. Guard releases and eldar releases for the past decade have been pretty comparable (read: Abysmal).

Guard have gotten basically ogryn, wyvern/hydra, scions, plastic commissar and that's...kinda it since the age of the Vostroyans?

We got a few new metal Commissars at some point, Pask, and the Regimental Advisors around the Vostroyan timeframe too.

Speaking of: when did the Guardian Squad recut happen? They added a platform into it at some point and retooled the sprues slightly. Not sure on the Dark Reapers, Striking Scorpions, or Ranger resculpts either. Not to mention the resin Harlequin stuff!

 Kanluwen wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah. Guard releases and eldar releases for the past decade have been pretty comparable (read: Abysmal).

Guard have gotten basically ogryn, wyvern/hydra, scions, plastic commissar and that's...kinda it since the age of the Vostroyans?

We got a few new metal Commissars at some point, Pask, and the Regimental Advisors around the Vostroyan timeframe too.

Speaking of: when did the Guardian Squad recut happen? They added a platform into it at some point and retooled the sprues slightly. Not sure on the Dark Reapers, Striking Scorpions, or Ranger resculpts either. Not to mention the resin Harlequin stuff!

4th ed for the Aspect Warrior, which puts them over 15 years old. Not sure on the Guardian recut but it could be even older.

It's not necessarily the attention they want or need...but it's not like Guard where their main squad and its option is spread across three heckin' boxes(Infantry Squad+Command Squad+Heavy Weapons Squad boxes equals one fully kitted out Infantry Squad that is not just taking a Flamethrower or Grenade Launcher plus a heavy weapons option).

Eh... anytime our infantry options have changed they've also gotten vastly more expensive. When I stopped playing last a box of 20 Cadians was $40, now that'd be two boxes for $90. I don't want to be paying $50 for a 5 man squad of guardsmen with all the special weapon options.

VonGerrow wrote:

It's not necessarily the attention they want or need...but it's not like Guard where their main squad and its option is spread across three heckin' boxes(Infantry Squad+Command Squad+Heavy Weapons Squad boxes equals one fully kitted out Infantry Squad that is not just taking a Flamethrower or Grenade Launcher plus a heavy weapons option).

Eh... anytime our infantry options have changed they've also gotten vastly more expensive. When I stopped playing last a box of 20 Cadians was $40, now that'd be two boxes for $90. I don't want to be paying $50 for a 5 man squad of guardsmen with all the special weapon options.

realistically, it'll be 50$ for 10, and they'll actually include all the potential weapon options in the box most likely, like they did with sisters.

...but I agree, I don't actually think there's a path forward that's in any way viable for GW where they have 50$ per kit light infantry focused factions and anyone actually fething plays them.

All they've done so far is keep ancient old slightly cheaper kits around for their light infantry factions. The only exception is GSC, one of the least popular factions in the game, and even THEY are behind the current price curve with 40$ per 10 neophytes.

VonGerrow wrote:

It's not necessarily the attention they want or need...but it's not like Guard where their main squad and its option is spread across three heckin' boxes(Infantry Squad+Command Squad+Heavy Weapons Squad boxes equals one fully kitted out Infantry Squad that is not just taking a Flamethrower or Grenade Launcher plus a heavy weapons option).

Eh... anytime our infantry options have changed they've also gotten vastly more expensive. When I stopped playing last a box of 20 Cadians was $40, now that'd be two boxes for $90. I don't want to be paying $50 for a 5 man squad of guardsmen with all the special weapon options.

Yes, and the 20 box of Cadians was not two separate Troop choices back when it first came out.

The splitting of the box also marked when Veterans became a Troop choice. It was not a coincidence.

Scotsman really said all that needs to be said though. Skitarii Rangers/Vanguard and Neophyte Hybrids are likely where we would be seeing Guard Infantry Squad revamps priced at, unless they go the route of Fire Warriors and add a bunch of potential auxiliary items(because that's what Drones are: extra units, effectively) onto the sprue as well.

And the infantry platoon as it is now, eating up all your elite slots, seems like a pretty big drawback to me.

Points wise, an infantry squad costs more now, but not twice as much.

Put it this way, seeing that 100% price increase on guardsmen convinced me to hold off on getting back into the game for over a year. Was in GW's shop back around Christmas 2019 thinking about it, but didn't buy anything till this year.

Anyways, I've picked up a 500 point force now; and feel really stupid cause it's almost painted annnd… there is still nowhere to play.

* le sigh *

I mean this in the nicest way that I possibly can, but nobody buys Guard Infantry Squads as an individual kit...except for maybe people doing conversions using them I guess? Most people tend to go for the Start Collecting set instead. Hell, the Catachan Squad is not even carried in GW's stores!

The Cadian Defence Force box is a discount box that's closer to what I guess you want, but at this point in time? Guard is a holdover of a poor design choice and basically a trap army. The "Platoon" isn't even a thing anymore. It's players clinging to an older design mechanic that no other army, as far as I'm aware, has been subjected to.

If you want to play a shooty force? Go for AdMech, GSC, or Tau. Any of those give you better troop options, point for point, and a more interactive game than "One dude shouts and people stand in a corner going pewpew". I gave up on my Guard when Skitarii came out and let me play a far, far more interesting version of Guard than Guard had let me do since the Doctrines book got replaced.