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Yeah, not doing a rules preview for the one new guy before he goes up on pre-order seems a bit... odd.

Rules have been leaked here (still working on translation though):
https://www.reddit.com/r/AdeptusMechanicus/comments/nhyy4b/the_last_hq_datasheets_and_im_done_for_the_day/?sort=new

 Dysartes wrote:
Yeah, not doing a rules preview for the one new guy before he goes up on pre-order seems a bit... odd.

Or when they announced him during the preview show, or when they glossed over Mechanicus entirely for the 40k preview day...

So, the basic rundown:

>In your command phase, you can choose a friendly forge world skitarii unit within 9 "of this model or you can choose forge world skitarii units with friendly date series anywhere on the battlefield. until the start of your next phase command, that unit ignores the neglected effect of the doctrine imperative active at that time

Link to Servo Skull (Aura): As long as a friendly Forge World Skitarii Base unit is within 6in of this model, each time one model of that unit makes an attack, re-roll wound rolls of 1.

No power sword option despite power sword on the model is a Bold Move.

Haha, marshall seems awful. Pick 1 unit within 9" or with a data tether to ignore the bad part of doctrina. Terrible statline + weapons.

Rihgu wrote:
Haha, marshall seems awful. Pick 1 unit within 9" or with a data tether to ignore the bad part of doctrina. Terrible statline + weapons.

Based on the translation?
You pick a unit within the 9"...or units with data-tethers.

That's kind of a Big Deal.

So no option for weapons on the Marshal other than the pistol and rod, despite having a sword at his waist?...

 Kanluwen wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
Haha, marshall seems awful. Pick 1 unit within 9" or with a data tether to ignore the bad part of doctrina. Terrible statline + weapons.

Based on the translation?
You pick a unit within the 9"...or units with data-tethers.

That's kind of a Big Deal.

My translation of it is "you can choose a friendly SKITARII <FORGE WORLD> unit within 9" of this model or you can choose a friendly SKITARII <FORGE WORLD> unit with DATA SERIES anywhere on the battle field"

1 unit in either case. But I'm not an expert.

Either way, it's still a nice perk for a 3 Power model. I'll die on that hill.

BUT we need to talk about the fact that Daedalosus is now a generic <Forge World> HQ choice!


Technoarchaeologist is now a generic HQ choice. Dominus and Manipulus can take 2 Enginseers/Technoarchaeologists without burning HQ slots apparently.

Rihgu wrote:
Haha, marshall seems awful. Pick 1 unit within 9" or with a data tether to ignore the bad part of doctrina. Terrible statline + weapons.

he also gives a rr1s to hit aura for skitarii core. Don't need to be too expensive for those two abilities to be worth it.

 the_scotsman wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
Haha, marshall seems awful. Pick 1 unit within 9" or with a data tether to ignore the bad part of doctrina. Terrible statline + weapons.

he also gives a rr1s to hit aura for skitarii core. Don't need to be too expensive for those two abilities to be worth it.

And while we're at it, let's talk about who does not, as a Skitarii, have a Data-Tether...

Uhhhh...Sicarians, Sulphurhounds, and Pteraxii? Is that about right?

yeah, looking over these rules there are a HELL of a lot of ways to buff up skitarii, like holy gak.

So, if Kastelans are not CORE....and Kataphrons are not CORE...does that mean Electropriests are literally the only CORE unit that is not Skitarii?

and if so....does a Skitarii marshall just do almost everything a TPD does minus pointless combat stats and abilities, plus the whole 'i make everyone ignore the negatives of doctrine imperatives' thing?

Well, he doesn't get a power sword. Major negative in the Marshal's corner.

 the_scotsman wrote:
yeah, looking over these rules there are a HELL of a lot of ways to buff up skitarii, like holy gak.

So, if Kastelans are not CORE....and Kataphrons are not CORE...does that mean Electropriests are literally the only CORE unit that is not Skitarii?

and if so....does a Skitarii marshall just do almost everything a TPD does minus pointless combat stats and abilities, plus the whole 'i make everyone ignore the negatives of doctrine imperatives' thing?

Kastellan robots can get core from Datasmiths.

I'm cautiously optimistic. I hope the Datasmith gets some rules updates. I always thought the idea of this guy literally swapping floppy discs mid battle was hilariously silly. Trouble was that they didn't take effect until the next battle round, so generally useless, and the datasmith wasn't quite good enough shooting or fighting to justify bringing.

Cawl though lmao.
He is so senile he forgot he is an archmagos. With mediocre offensive and defensive capabilities (5++ lmao) it's really bold to call him a monster and a Supreme commander. Basically paying 100 points extra to lock him up in mars and giving one unit hit rerolls in comparison to the dominus

Cawl apparently lost his 4+ roll this edition to see whether he gets made awesome or terrible.

It is pretty outrageous for a character like that to only have a 5++. Are we to believe cawl can't make a better energy field for himself?

So, no alternate heads or weapons or anything.

Thankfully, I have a bag full of Secutarii heads but that's a big ol' yikes from me.
Also: so much lols that the power sword isn't even optional, it's fused to the robes...while not being a part of his armament!

Right, I did some search at reddit, and as poorly as I can translate Italian, here's how doctrine imperatives work;

Doctrine protection
+ 1 bs
- 1 ws

Doctrine conqueror
+ 1 ws
- 1 bs

Doctrine bastionne
+ 1 armour save
- 3 movement

Doctrine (?)
+ 3 movement
- 1 armour save

Edit, forgot the last one, I think it was called aggression

I actually really like the head but would remove the crest or turn it Mohawk style.

The awkwardly molded in power sword that isn’t on the datasheet is lulz worthy. I generally really dislike swords molded to the front of figures but at least it isn’t as huge and dumb looking as the collectors edition terminator captain (which thankfully could be left off, unlike this one)

Some more leaks:

Skitarii: 8ppm for both vanguard and rangers, rangers have a 3" pregame move now, are core (obviously) squads of 5-20, 8ppm for both vanguard and rangers, and under 10 models you can only take 1 of each special weapon (like wyches) (not completely sure about the weapon loadout) Rad Carbines are still same profile, but 6s to hit autowound instead of 2d on 6s to wound. Arc Pistol is S5 ap2 d1 (d2 and 4+ wound vs vehicle )

GW's rules inanity continues it seems...

Those are unconfirmed. They cropped up as text only.

Under 10, or 10 and under? If it’s under 10 then my squads of 10 are safe. But if it’s 10 and under then I’m gonna flip some tables.

Quasistellar wrote:
I actually really like the head but would remove the crest or turn it Mohawk style.

The awkwardly molded in power sword that isn’t on the datasheet is lulz worthy. I generally really dislike swords molded to the front of figures but at least it isn’t as huge and dumb looking as the collectors edition terminator captain (which thankfully could be left off, unlike this one)

What makes it a power sword rather than just a symbolic sword worn for stupid dogma reasons?
The blade is sheathed and the hilt doesn't have the usual little power plant box.

Voss wrote:

Quasistellar wrote:
I actually really like the head but would remove the crest or turn it Mohawk style.

The awkwardly molded in power sword that isn’t on the datasheet is lulz worthy. I generally really dislike swords molded to the front of figures but at least it isn’t as huge and dumb looking as the collectors edition terminator captain (which thankfully could be left off, unlike this one)

What makes it a power sword rather than just a symbolic sword worn for stupid dogma reasons?
The blade is sheathed and the hilt doesn't have the usual little power plant box.

That’s true, it could technically be anything, but it kinda goes against the way GW usually writes rules. Generally if it’s identifiable as a weapon or unique wargear on the model, it gets some kind of rule. Even something as simple as “make one extra attack at strength user with ceremonial blade”.

Just makes my eye twitch to have a sword literally molded front and center of the model with no rules. It’s weird!

It happened with Araloth(Nomad Prince) when that first dropped. He's modeled in Light Armor(same as the Eternal Guard/Wildwood Rangers) but did not have it in his wargear. It took almost six months for them to FAQ it in.

The Wild Riders took three years to have their shields recognized in AoS, despite being in the box and not a Legacy option. And then Cities of Sigmar removed them again! One of the Mega-Gargants even has a Wild Rider shield on his belt!

Quasistellar wrote:

Voss wrote:

Quasistellar wrote:
I actually really like the head but would remove the crest or turn it Mohawk style.

The awkwardly molded in power sword that isn’t on the datasheet is lulz worthy. I generally really dislike swords molded to the front of figures but at least it isn’t as huge and dumb looking as the collectors edition terminator captain (which thankfully could be left off, unlike this one)

What makes it a power sword rather than just a symbolic sword worn for stupid dogma reasons?
The blade is sheathed and the hilt doesn't have the usual little power plant box.

That’s true, it could technically be anything, but it kinda goes against the way GW usually writes rules. Generally if it’s identifiable as a weapon or unique wargear on the model, it gets some kind of rule. Even something as simple as “make one extra attack at strength user with ceremonial blade”.

Just makes my eye twitch to have a sword literally molded front and center of the model with no rules. It’s weird!

Looking at the Soulblight stuff, it might be a new rules paradigm kicking in.
Several of their units (skeletons, blood knights) have weapon 'options' that are meaningless rules-wise. Lances/spears or swords are all the same.

I could definitely stand fewer rules on every single doohickey simply because the sculptor went overboard. I wouldn't mind not having to care about the differences between arc claws, arc mauls, chord claws, and transonic blades/razors/whatever.

Lances/spears being the same is not the same as things entirely being missing.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Lances/spears being the same is not the same as things entirely being missing.

Lumineth spearmen and cav have swords on the model with stats only for main weapon.

Doesn’t the tau fireblade dude not have rules for his sword?

Well I just watched the review of the codex by Ash at GMG on YouTube. I like the look of what I'm seeing.

Unfortunately it looks like some codex deliveries
(including mine) willl be delayed because of GW production/ shipping issues but I can wait to go through it in detail.

It seems like they made an interesting choice with the off brand make your own forgeworlds- if you choose to duplicate an existing forgeworld it seems as though you get all of their rules without any extra cost. That differs from other codexes, even those released this edition. I know that space marines have to pay extra CP for relic access and necrons don't get access to relics or specific strategems. I have a Mars army so it won't affect me but I wish they'd do the same with the other codexes so that people don't feel locked to rules associated with a paint job.