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Breton wrote: Chapter Masters can only speedbump not out strategize a Primarch based on the fluff so far.
Kaldor Draigo was able to defeat Mortarion. Magnus has been defeated by Bjorn. Angron was taken down by (many) Grey Knights. But, especially in that last case, those were straight punching matches.
Before his ascension, Perty was out-strategised by an Imperial Fists Captain at Phall. Shadrak Meduson was evading capture from Horus' forces and causing significant damage to his forces in guerrilla warfare. It's perfectly possible for Chapter Masters to make strategic and tactical victories over Primarchs, especially considering not all Primarchs were strategic geniuses.
I voted "don't care", because though I don't like Hero-Hammer and think it should be about You're Dudes instead of THIS DUDE, I understand that some people like them. And I'm not going to tell anyone else that they're having fun wrong.
I voted yes, mainly for the loyalist ones (preferably Lion first) because Chaos ones are a given as there is no way GW will not release Angron or Fulgrim when we already have Magnus and Mortarion.
Sgt_Smudge wrote: Kaldor Draigo was able to defeat Mortarion. Magnus has been defeated by Bjorn. Angron was taken down by (many) Grey Knights. But, especially in that last case, those were straight punching matches.
Before his ascension, Perty was out-strategised by an Imperial Fists Captain at Phall. Shadrak Meduson was evading capture from Horus' forces and causing significant damage to his forces in guerrilla warfare. It's perfectly possible for Chapter Masters to make strategic and tactical victories over Primarchs, especially considering not all Primarchs were strategic geniuses.
The Primarchs definitely suffer from having super-ego's.
Aren't Primarchs biologically immortal and some are even entirely immortal?
At least in older publication it was especially said that they were long lived but not immortal. But that's all made up, so it of course can change. It just is comically stupid that they would vanish for thousands of years, an then all return in very short span of time. It also completely destroys the themes of the setting, but it seems most people (either fans or the studio) do not care any more and will rather have puerile superhero soap opera.
Hey, it's prophesied that Russ will return. and some of his Company has.
Essentially GW told us long ago that one day they'd we'd get the model/rules. It's just a waiting game.....
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
yukishiro1 wrote: 40k was better when it was about mortal, roughly human individuals struggling in a decaying, grimdark world, not effectively immortal superheroes punching each other. The legendary figures of past ages should have stayed in HH where they belong.
Absolutely.
But too late, the SOB will be fielding a high lord of Terra. I expect all dexes will provide a god level hero. Not sure how they would do it for IG
Oh it's definitely too late. That ship sailed years and years ago. Both AOS and 40k (well ok, AOS has been a superhero game for years now) are turning into superhero games, and judging by the sales figures, it seems to be what the customer wants.
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AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
It’d be nice for every faction to have their equivalent centre piece models, with decent rules to match.
So far we have (model wise at least)...
UM - Bobby G
DG - Mortarian
TS - Magnus
BL - Abbaddon
Orks - Ghazkull
Ynnari - Avatar of Ynnead
Necrons - Silent King
Sisters - that new high lord model
That leaves potentially
Guard - ?
Grey Knights - ?
Deathwatch - ?
Eldar - New Avatar of Khaine
Drukhari - Vect
Nids - New bigger Swarm Lord
Wolves - Russ
Dark Angels - The Lion
White Scars - The Khan
EC - Fulgrim
WE - Angron
IW - Perturabo
RG - Corax
Sals - Vulkan
Blood Angels - Primaris Dante? Or a somehow resurrected Sanguinius?
Fists - Dorn
Tau - Farsight?
One of the biggest WTFs of coming back to 40K was seeing Guilliman back. I still haven’t gotten used to the idea, it seems utterly wrong based on the lore as I knew it. The Chaos ones should absolutely be around (and were all available for Epic so were around in some scale), maybe the Lion doing a breakout of his long nap but Guilliman? Guilliman!??
Oh and if Sanguinius comes back then we truly know GW will be only short of introducing actual Marvel characters next.
General Kroll wrote: It’d be nice for every faction to have their equivalent centre piece models, with decent rules to match.
So far we have (model wise at least)...
UM - Bobby G
DG - Mortarian
TS - Magnus
BL - Abbaddon
Orks - Ghazkull
Ynnari - Avatar of Ynnead
Necrons - Silent King
Sisters - that new high lord model
That leaves potentially
Guard - ?
Grey Knights - ?
Deathwatch - ?
Eldar - New Avatar of Khaine
Drukhari - Vect
Nids - New bigger Swarm Lord
Wolves - Russ
Dark Angels - The Lion
White Scars - The Khan
EC - Fulgrim
WE - Angron
IW - Perturabo
RG - Corax
Sals - Vulkan
Blood Angels - Primaris Dante? Or a somehow resurrected Sanguinius?
Fists - Dorn
Tau - Farsight?
The genie is out of the bottle already, so may as well.
That said, I'd prefer they steered clear of Loyalist Primarchs as much as possible - I'll admit to personal bias as I'm not at all a fan of Space Marines, but Guilliman and his ilk all feel very 'vanilla'. We really do see enough toys and units released for this faction.
I'd be far more interested in seeing factions without one, gain a Primarch equivalent unit such as we've seen with Necrons and the Silent King. In the interest of perceived 'fairness' if nothing else.
Breton wrote: Chapter Masters can only speedbump not out strategize a Primarch based on the fluff so far.
Kaldor Draigo was able to defeat Mortarion. Magnus has been defeated by Bjorn. Angron was taken down by (many) Grey Knights. But, especially in that last case, those were straight punching matches.
Before his ascension, Perty was out-strategised by an Imperial Fists Captain at Phall. Shadrak Meduson was evading capture from Horus' forces and causing significant damage to his forces in guerrilla warfare. It's perfectly possible for Chapter Masters to make strategic and tactical victories over Primarchs, especially considering not all Primarchs were strategic geniuses.
"just as some truly exceptional humans can rise above an Astartes, an exceptional Astartes can rise above even a Primarch, Alexus Polux is one such Astartes"
paraphrased from memory of Alexis polux unit entry.
It is perfectly acceptable for even a space marine to be able to compete on some level with a primarch, take a look at Kharn and Angron, Ahirman and Magnus, Corswain and the Lion, Sigismund and Dorn, ABBADON and Horus, I would argue all eventually outshone their fathers and their legacies.
I really dislike the herohammer that tends to arise out of this. I'm not a fan of super centre piece models that tend to warp the balance of the codex around them.
When knights were released it dramatically changed the power level of single model units that were in the game, and made it more reasonable to start seeing super powerful individual models in other factions.
The fruit from the tree has been tasted, and Pandora's box will not be closed- so we might as well drive forward with more high points cost powerful individual models.
Personally I think unique models should be for narrative play, (they once we're...) But that is not where we are not have been for many editions.
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Auras buffs and re rolls need to be heavily scaled back. List build and game winning seems to be all about an algorithm that’s gets you the best auras buff and re rolls. Not being good at the game and the luck of the dice.
Having primarch level units should be one of the few ways to get a limited aura effect on the table.
I’d also say that they can only be played if both armies are fielding that type of unit and in each movement round they must be moving closer to each other as if trying desperately to engage in close combat
15k+
Emperor's Spears 2500
Beastmen 10k
Eldar- 4436 pts
