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 Ordana wrote:
There is like 17? more factions left to do in 9th.
1 per month is to slow a pace for how big 40k is vs how long an edition lasts.

24.
Only 12 of wich need actual Codex books & maybe model releases.

The other 12?
7 of those are SM supplements - they could throw 2 of those out a month.
5 more of those could be WD articles (Inquisition, Assassins, Sisters of Silence, Harlequins, & Ynnari)

 AngryAngel80 wrote:


I may disagree with what you say in this a bit but I feel for the reasons you say them. You aren't for enjoying it, just so long as you aren't faulting someone else for seeing and commenting on the faults right ? You don't want to view them, say yourself you look past them and try and ignore them, not everyone either can or will doesn't make either person wrong. So I wouldn't say you are a white knight, I'd say you just don't want to focus on the bad, so long as you aren't claiming there is no bad that's all good right ?

That all said, I hear ya on the rough stuff IRL, hang tough brother, a lot worse things than GW being GW we can all agree on that I am sure.

That's a lot of how I see it. I don't mind talking about the things that can be better. I think it's healthy and should be discussed. Feedback is a gift. Constructive critique has a lot of value to both the fan base and the publisher, but so many times what we see on Dakka is far from healthy, as I would think of it.

I also try not to focus too much on the negative. Sometimes I fail. I played a game with my Tyranids, and I got absolutely ROFL stomped, and it irritated me at the discrepancy between the Tyranid and sisters codex. So I get it, there are very real things that the game needs to do better, but sometimes, it just is what it is, and so a few minutes later it was all laughs again and planning our next game. I thought about things i could have done differently (and maybe putting catalyst on my gargoyles would have kept a few alive long enough to recycle them, not putting my warriors in with the Trygon might have given me a bit more firepower at the start to take down that rhino, etc etc) and tried to learn from my mistake.

Ultimately, a bad day of Warhammer is just that, some cussing and discussing rules, trash-talking our friends, and having some fun. So I can't get too negative about something like that. There is enough negativity in this world to go around. I think thats why some of the more excessive rancor on this site actually gets to me.

YMMV.


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ccs wrote:

 Ordana wrote:
There is like 17? more factions left to do in 9th.
1 per month is to slow a pace for how big 40k is vs how long an edition lasts.

24.
Only 12 of wich need actual Codex books & maybe model releases.

The other 12?
7 of those are SM supplements - they could throw 2 of those out a month.
5 more of those could be WD articles (Inquisition, Assassins, Sisters of Silence, Harlequins, & Ynnari)

I'm often surprised why they don't consolidate the harlequins and Ynnari into the craftworlds codex, same with knights and Ad Mech. I also kind of have this feeling that Tyranids and GSC might end up sharing a book, but that might just be me.

Negative. The trash pile of DLC that was Psychic Awakening followed by a near instantaneous release of marines 2.0 and then a brand new edition into a brand new marines 3.0 into more marine suppliements more or less ruined the release cycle for me and our playgroup.

DVader311 wrote:
I started my obsession with the grim dark during second edition.

Spoiler:

While I haven't always been involved during that time, my most recent foray is border line lunacy and heresy. I LOVE this game, the community, the lore, the sculpts (OoooooOOOO, you dirty little gaunt!) Table top, sculpting, painting, but I digress.

I am in absolute disgust of GW and the way they treat us. Fests with not much to be festive about, price gouging, intentional merch shortages, and a ridiculous price point for just about everything.

I would be genuinely HAPPY if they closed shop tomorrow. BECAUSE of us. If these gakkers closed up tomorrow, this community would keep this game alive and THRIVING. In this age of digital sharing and buying, 3D printing, digital media, and the huge well of talent this universe pulls from, we will NEVER see it's death. Not only that, but it would continue to thrive like an awoken tomb world.

Spoiler:

Straight forward, my views and opinions of the company are VERY negative. However, my views about this universe are blindingly positive. Being only outshined by the light of our emperor. So stay positive you marines, you warbosses, you TITANS. I have stared hard into the warp, and I see naught but victory for our side! Stay positive you titans.

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I started my obsession with the grim dark during second edition. While I haven't always been involved during that time, my most recent foray is border line lunacy and heresy. I LOVE this game, the community, the lore, the sculpts (OoooooOOOO, you dirty little gaunt!) Table top, sculpting, painting, but I digress. I am in absolute disgust of GW and the way they treat us. Fests with not much to be festive about, price gouging, intentional merch shortages, and a ridiculous price point for just about everything.

I would be genuinely HAPPY if they closed shop tomorrow. BECAUSE of us. If these gakkers closed up tomorrow, this community would keep this game alive and THRIVING. In this age of digital sharing and buying, 3D printing, digital media, and the huge well of talent this universe pulls from, we will NEVER see it's death. Not only that, but it would continue to thrive like an awoken tomb world.

Straight forward, my views and opinions of the company are VERY negative. However, my views about this universe are blindingly positive. Being only outshined by the light of our emperor. So stay positive you marines, you warbosses, you TITANS. I have stared hard into the warp, and I see naught but victory for our side! Stay positive you titans

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Exalted.

 jeff white wrote:
42 % positive on a fansite is ,... not great. On Rotten Tomatoes, for instance,I would not see the movie. I wouldn’t even watch it on da webz for free. Yikes... GW.

Sometimes Dakka general section feels more like a hatesite than a fansite, and also IMHO watching a movie is 0 investment, playing 40k is a lot of investment, so people will feel a lot more strongly about the latter.

Have you actually seen a real hate site? Because I can tell you that it does not look like dakka. First of all there is no big merch store with pop ups for it all the time. No one is trying to sell their mix tape, there are no sub section for supplements etc.

Constructive critique has a lot of value to both the fan base and the publisher, but so many times what we see on Dakka is far from healthy, as I would think of it.

Okey, but does GW want, assuming someone from them has the time or is assigned to browse forums, get feed back from fans, which is not either a free add or a list of things to buy?

If factions stay bad for multiple versions of an army book,what are people suppose to do? There is a limit how often one can say that they don't want this kind of a book or that it is so bad and few people play it. Or that no new models are not being put out and some of the older models are being phased out without a replacment.

What kind of a construcitve criticism is a GSC or Knight player suppose to give to GW? You changed the rules of how an edition worked, and now my army doesn't work at all, because you linked its effectivness on the board with very specific core rules from prior editions, that no longer exist or they exist and now work as a handicap. Ah and then you decided to start updates with armies which were already doing okey in the new edition. If the start of 9th was something like GSC, Necrons, IG, Knights and then maybe CSM , then at least people could agree that GW is fixing something. If alongside that there were actual pdf that let armies survive the year or so of wait time, before their bad rules get updated, one could even say that GW thinks about the players who already bought a GW army. But nothing like that happens.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Win rate drawn from tournament data doesn't really tell us anything meaningful about balance though.

It might be that a 'good' list using 10% of a faction's available units has a 50% win rate on the tournament circuit, but the other 90% of units are hot garbage compared to all other factions.

I typically agree with that except that what you say is true for 8th and older editions, not 9th. If you take a look at 9th winning lists you'll notice that they seem very close to average collections of models, and many of these lists don't spam anything. In 8th and previous editions most of the competitive lists were something that a casual game would not see very often. Even semi-competitive lists HAD to spam stuff in order to be optimized, now it's no longer true.

Overall 9th feels extremely more balanced than 8th, both in number of factions that are in a good spot and in terms of lists' composition. Thankfully nonsense like lists based on the loyal32 and/or scout spam, 60-90 gretchins, etc just to make the army work is long gone. Not to mention that pure castles and gunlines don't exist anymore, which is another huge improvement.

 Blackie wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Win rate drawn from tournament data doesn't really tell us anything meaningful about balance though.

It might be that a 'good' list using 10% of a faction's available units has a 50% win rate on the tournament circuit, but the other 90% of units are hot garbage compared to all other factions.

I typically agree with that except that what you say is true for 8th and older editions, not 9th. If you take a look at 9th winning lists you'll notice that they seem very close to average collections of models, and many of these lists don't spam anything. In 8th and previous editions most of the competitive lists were something that a casual game would not see very often. Even semi-competitive lists HAD to spam stuff in order to be optimized, now it's no longer true.

Overall 9th feels extremely more balanced than 8th, both in number of factions that are in a good spot and in terms of lists' composition. Thankfully nonsense like lists based on the loyal32 and/or scout spam, 60-90 gretchins, etc just to make the army work is long gone. Not to mention that pure castles and gunlines don't exist anymore, which is another huge improvement.

100% this. 9th is doing way better than 8th in this regard. Also the core rules work better as they are definitely worded in a more exhaustive way. Still room for improvement, but it's a step forward.
Now IF the external balance between codices (and the internal one in some of them) gets fixed next week by the upcoming point update + new missions, we could definitely have on our hands one of the best 40K editions ever.
Big IF, of course, but trying to be optimistic for once can't hurt right?

i like how gw once again paywalls the pts for the factions in what ammounts to a balance patch in literally every other game, which should be free but alas...
But considering that i should supposedly be willing to pay 58 CHF for 5 slightly larger intercessors if i were to ever collect marines....

I am not surprised. Just disapointed how people can defend that gak company.

Not Online!!! wrote:
i like how gw once again paywalls the pts for the factions in what ammounts to a balance patch in literally every other game, which should be free but alas...
But considering that i should supposedly be willing to pay 58 CHF for 5 slightly larger intercessors if i were to ever collect marines....

I am not surprised. Just disapointed how people can defend that gak company.

What's there to defend? Not a single person buys this pair of books for the points, whether you use their app or battlescribe, you don't need it.

The only value is having updated tournament missions in with a small rulebook attached to it.

 Jidmah wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
i like how gw once again paywalls the pts for the factions in what ammounts to a balance patch in literally every other game, which should be free but alas...
But considering that i should supposedly be willing to pay 58 CHF for 5 slightly larger intercessors if i were to ever collect marines....

I am not surprised. Just disapointed how people can defend that gak company.

What's there to defend? Not a single person buys this pair of books for the points, whether you use their app or battlescribe, you don't need it.

The only value is having updated tournament missions in with a small rulebook attached to it.

Preciscly, but my problem is the principle.
Also, inevitable complaints about Battlescribe being piracy inbound.

It also was imo a good move from GW to separate the pts out and make them free, of course they were to 180 that again.


Edit: it's also arguable that neither the improved missions nor the small rulebook should've a pricetag associated with it , since it's the same in principle as a balance patch.
But maybee i am just oldschool

I honestly buy it for having a book with everything I need to play in it, not for the "balance patch". That analogy doesn't work out for me anyways, because books don't update.

 Jidmah wrote:
I honestly buy it for having a book with everything I need to play in it, not for the "balance patch". That analogy doesn't work out for me anyways, because books don't update.

We are in a digital era, books can update, and there are other distribution means though. and in the end a Game is just a system.

 Jidmah wrote:


What's there to defend? Not a single person buys this pair of books for the points, whether you use their app or battlescribe, you don't need it.

The only value is having updated tournament missions in with a small rulebook attached to it.

Well, they do. In every place where you can use battlescribe, like playing at stores, which are generaly dead against people using stuff they got outside of the store.


I wonder if GW does stuff like the gaming industry does, when they put out a game they know will make people unhappy, only to sell a patch update and fixing of some problems as actual content.

 Jidmah wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
i like how gw once again paywalls the pts for the factions in what ammounts to a balance patch in literally every other game, which should be free but alas...
But considering that i should supposedly be willing to pay 58 CHF for 5 slightly larger intercessors if i were to ever collect marines....

I am not surprised. Just disapointed how people can defend that gak company.

What's there to defend? Not a single person buys this pair of books for the points, whether you use their app or battlescribe, you don't need it.

The only value is having updated tournament missions in with a small rulebook attached to it.

Well, as a tournament organizer, I pretty much bought previous iterations of Chapter Approved for the list of points, in order to check the validity of lists I received. This, plus the odd mission rules I included in my tournament packs, like Cities of Death. The first Chapter Approved of 2017 was not that great, but this publication has been thoroughly refined year after year, to the point I don't feel the need to buy the core rulebook to be able to play.

We are not playing in a downloadable video game. New influx of ideas, rules and point costs listings cost money to test, edit, print and ship. So I'm fine with GW selling these books, which are an update to the game. The cost is reasonable, considering you get a nice little handbook with nearly complete rules of the game, together with the munitorum field manual.

 Ravajaxe wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
i like how gw once again paywalls the pts for the factions in what ammounts to a balance patch in literally every other game, which should be free but alas...
But considering that i should supposedly be willing to pay 58 CHF for 5 slightly larger intercessors if i were to ever collect marines....

I am not surprised. Just disapointed how people can defend that gak company.

What's there to defend? Not a single person buys this pair of books for the points, whether you use their app or battlescribe, you don't need it.

The only value is having updated tournament missions in with a small rulebook attached to it.

Well, as a tournament organizer, I pretty much bought previous iterations of Chapter Approved for the list of points, in order to check the validity of lists I received. This, plus the odd mission rules I included in my tournament packs, like Cities of Death. The first Chapter Approved of 2017 was not that great, but this publication has been thoroughly refined year after year, to the point I don't feel the need to buy the core rulebook to be able to play.

We are not playing in a downloadable video game. New influx of ideas, rules and point costs listings cost money to test, edit, print and ship. So I'm fine with GW selling these books, which are an update to the game. The cost is reasonable, considering you get a nice little handbook with nearly complete rules of the game, together with the munitorum field manual.

Hear me out, they could release all of that on a virtual .pdf and erase theirs costs for editing, printing and shipping. Then we'd only pay for testing + some profit.

Karol wrote:
Have you actually seen a real hate site? Because I can tell you that it does not look like dakka. First of all there is no big merch store with pop ups for it all the time. No one is trying to sell their mix tape, there are no sub section for supplements etc.

Constructive critique has a lot of value to both the fan base and the publisher, but so many times what we see on Dakka is far from healthy, as I would think of it.

Okey, but does GW want, assuming someone from them has the time or is assigned to browse forums, get feed back from fans, which is not either a free add or a list of things to buy?

If factions stay bad for multiple versions of an army book,what are people suppose to do? There is a limit how often one can say that they don't want this kind of a book or that it is so bad and few people play it. Or that no new models are not being put out and some of the older models are being phased out without a replacment.

What kind of a construcitve criticism is a GSC or Knight player suppose to give to GW? You changed the rules of how an edition worked, and now my army doesn't work at all, because you linked its effectivness on the board with very specific core rules from prior editions, that no longer exist or they exist and now work as a handicap. Ah and then you decided to start updates with armies which were already doing okey in the new edition. If the start of 9th was something like GSC, Necrons, IG, Knights and then maybe CSM , then at least people could agree that GW is fixing something. If alongside that there were actual pdf that let armies survive the year or so of wait time, before their bad rules get updated, one could even say that GW thinks about the players who already bought a GW army. But nothing like that happens.

There are lots of ways to give feedback based on what they have seen. GW does see and read the feedback. Now, I do doubt seriously that they spend any time on Dakka, as I would find it counterproductive too, but to say they are completely deaf to the feedback they have been given, I simply don't think that's true. I know, based on conversations I have seen, but we're not privy to at the time of their generation, that the feedback and sentiment from the community do affect the playtesting process. So when they get their book, I'm sure that GSC and Knights will likely be better for it. In the meantime, points changes do help address some problems, and i agree that there are armies that are structurally in need of a redesign, and for that, we are just going to have to wait. As a chaos knight player (it's my second favorite army) and a Tyranid player, I understand that the wait can suck, but to say that the armies, outside of GSC, just don't work is not an accurate argument. I don't own 9 War Dog Moriax, and somehow I seem to still be able to win some and lose some with my chaos knights, and we've seen some knights lists actually do relatively well according to the Auspex Tactics youtube channel. Even in the case of GSC, I've lost games to them. They weren't competitive games, but I've lost crusade and casual games to them. It is unfortunate that they are not a competitive army right now, but they are still quite playable. Given a little bit of time, I've little doubt they'll be in a much better place, same with Tyranids and knights as a whole.

I understand the frustration, I do. I want everything all at once too. But it is an impossibility of the situation. The pandemic, and the severe push back of the production schedule, labor resources, legal requirements, and just about everything else associated with the releases certainly hasn't done the community any favors, plus the already awkward methodology of codex releases as a whole means we're waiting, but that doesn't mean the concerns aren't or do not make their way anywhere useful.

In terms of what kind of feedback can we as a player of those armies give GW, well, I for one would like to see all Knights be given obsec, so long as all models in the army are from the same knight's detachment. In this case, a knight with 24 wounds in its top bracket would be worth 10 obsec models, in its second bracket, say 5, bottom bracket, 1. the smaller ones would be worth 5, 1, and 0 respectively. Maybe that's not the best way to do it, I have no idea, but it's a starting point. I could write a thesis on Tyranids and what my love letter on them would look like, but you get the point.

And if you truly do feel this disaffected by the game, then step away from it and give it time. Theres nothing wrong with taking a break.

For me the rules bloat, small tables, complex missions, imbalance between armies, and codex creep makes this an overall negative. I am not a fan of the tournament scene anymore, or even playing pick-ups at the local store.

However most of my gaming is done with a couple of close friends so most of the unpleasantness can be avoided. In this restricted sense this edition of 40K works great.

So back on topic, I hesitated between neutral and mildly negative , finally voted negative. Here is why.

First and foremost : special rules bloat. Knowing the strenghts and weaknesses, interactions, opponent possibilities (and even its own), making a cohesive gameplan, anticipate the reactions of the opponent are extremely tiedous and difficult. The units datasheets, while relatively streamlined (thanks to 8th edition indexes which imposed a relative simplicity), are not telling much. There is so much more : buff auras, relics, subfactions bonuses, turn-based super-doctrines and whatnot, plus all of these stratagems. There is way too many stratagems involved. Nowadays, special abilities that should be part of many units datasheets have even been moved into stratagems. It contributes to the bloat and to obfuscating the tactical situation. This makes the game confuse and frustrating.

I have a gaming friend (SW) that returned to the game halfway through 8th, he loves the lots of stratagems. I can't even fathom how. I hate all this memorizing, book-keeping, obscure combos, gotcha moments. I can't even have a reasonable conversation on the subject about that with this friend. I hate the situation where I can't even peacefully share opinions about the game with some of my mates. The situations is just too polarized. I feel this is not a game for me anymore. The design team has driven the game far away from the clean intelligible basis that were the 3rd, 4 th, 5th (and to a lesser extent 6-th) editions. This is not the game I fully embraced back then. Remember : the introductory GW video about nineth edition said : "Everyone loves command points, so there is more for everyone !". Sorry, but just no. I don't love command points, I don't want more stratagems, I don't want more crazy combos. I would prefer much less of all of these. I would like the codices to be slimmed down to one page of statagems. Just like there are six warlord traits, six psy powers, a bunch of regimental / chapitral traits... why not just six or eight stratagems ? No more.

Then, there is balance issues. I briefly had some games (including tournaments) in the V8.5 dreaded Space Marine metagame. It was a nightmare. Undercosted new units, silly special rules, free firepower with bonus AP-1, snipers shooting without line of sight, undercosted Invictor warsuits threatening you turn 1 in your deployment zone, rerolls fiesta everywhere... Then 9th edition codex and all the supplements. While the powerlevel was noticeably toned down, SM are still very powerful, but above else, they got all the design attention. More than a year of releases, supplements, new units above new units, new codex, new battleforce, new supplements. At the same time, many other armies get nothing but a lousy "pay to win" psychic awakening book. All the releases the Astra Militarum got in all this period was a made to order campaign with Valhallans from 1995 ! No updated stuff. Eldar and guard miniature ranges are older than grown up players now. This is nonsense. Now look at the state of the metagame post Drukhari. They can't even manage to have a reasonable balance anymore. Drukhari boasting a 70% win rate, while some armies like Tau, Guard, Eldar are sitting at ~40% or below. Is it too much to ask average chances to win ?

To finish off this post, but there is so much to complain about, is the gameplay. The game is so slow to deploy, run. The only things preventing an average sized game in relaxed conditions to extend past 4 hours, are the absurd level of lethality, and the end on turn five. During 4th and 5th editions, you could still have an important part of your army alive by turn 5-th or 6-th or even 7-th, and zooming around objectives. Now, the games are decided by turn 2 or 3 with very few units left. It is brutal. Having first turn is huge. Not having enough terrain on board to hind behind is crippling. And by saying the game is slow to play, I mean resolving the actions involves loads of dice rolling. GW studio response to some units lack of intersest seems to be dialing up dice rolling. Double shoot (e.g. Leman Russ, stratagems), double fight etc... Heavy 6 weapons, heavy 12, heavy 20... And rerolls, ah the rerolls ! Are you in range of a commander bubble ? A stratagem or whatnot ? Roll this shovel of dice, then search and pick all those to reroll them. Oh, plus these exploding giving you even more dice to roll, yeah ! Then next step, you are likely to reroll again (of not your roster may not be an optimized one), then your opponent will have loads of saves to pass and roll again for feel no pain. Roll for damage again. But remember, keep this command point reroll to help with a critical result !


Well...

Everything is not so negative, thanfully. I occasionally still enjoy a game, but there is so many annoying stuff. I enjoyed 4-th 5-th and even 6-th editions way more than 8-th and 9-th. But these are forgotten editions now.
I hope Warhammer 40000 will improve still.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
I honestly buy it for having a book with everything I need to play in it, not for the "balance patch". That analogy doesn't work out for me anyways, because books don't update.

We are in a digital era, books can update, and there are other distribution means though. and in the end a Game is just a system.

No, you can update PDFs or webpages and I have to print them out or put them on a digital device. You cannot update a book ever.
In case of the GT books I simply pay the money to have printed version to take with me, that can stay in my gaming case. Having a pdf bound and printed in a similar format and quality is only about 8€ cheaper than ordering the real thing from a third party store, assuming that PDF was free to begin with.

I voted negative.
I like the core rules well enough, they're ok.
Everything after that had been a let down.
I especially dislike the ever changing points updates.

I think there's an increasing issue brought on by prices vs volume of content.

One of the things I have started to notice with my local gaming group is that as the new releases come out and the availability of communal copies decreases for them, the cost of keeping up to date with the new rules is significant, especially as there's such significant changes and the huge numbers of stratagems creates a new obstacle to game entry. This is furthered by things like Chapter approved etc adding more things to buy.

I personally enjoy a game with depth and detail but I am not a father nor husband so have a bit of extra time to catch up with new rules. The rule bloat is a thing and I know we've started to remove stratagems from our games aside from the basic ones (ie re-roll, auto pass morale and over watch).

 Ravajaxe wrote:
So back on topic, I hesitated between neutral and mildly negative , finally voted negative. Here is why.
...

I agree totally with all of this.
It really baffles me how so many people absolutely adore this approach, to the point of showing outright hostility when I say I think they're bad.
I think ultimately it's because they only consider each element in isolation; "I get +1 strength for this, that's really cool and fluffy!" and their opinion ends there. If you're opposed to it you clearly hate cool and fluffy rules. The bloat? The gotchas? They don't care, it doesn't make into their consideration.

Seabass 798472 11131827 wrote: I understand the frustration, I do. I want everything all at once too. But it is an impossibility of the situation. The pandemic, and the severe push back of the production schedule, labor resources, legal requirements, and just about everything else associated with the releases certainly hasn't done the community any favors, plus the already awkward methodology of codex releases as a whole means we're waiting, but that doesn't mean the concerns aren't or do not make their way anywhere useful.

But this kind of an excuse was used for some armies for multiple editions. GK got what 2 bad codex and an index since they were good last time 4 editions ago? Now I have no personal expiriance of stuff before 8th. But I remember 8th very well. Index comes out and it is bad. But no worries codex will fix it. Codex comes out and it is horrible. No worries there are FAQ/Errata. What follows are 2 years of CA and faq/errata that brings more nerfs then buffs, and the buffs are just buffs that everyone else gets. Then they don't put out a new codex, but instead a PA book, which is fun in 8th, if you live in a place where GW sends book on time. I got my in early february 2020 and ends of that month we went in to lock down. I played 2 games with the good rules in 8th ed. And now we slowly creep on a year of 9th, and GW can't even give GK regular flamers, -1D on dreads or +1W. Which is a new things, because before in 8th we didn't get much buffs, but at least if marins got something we got it too.

It would take how long to write a PDF for 1ksons, GK and CSM to get +1W on their units? A week, maybe two weeks. And for sure a GW employ could do it at home. Lets say the other changes like the -1D to dreads and regular flamer rules, would take another week. Even with a 1-2 month new edition grace phase this means GW is late with their update for a few months already.

And if you truly do feel this disaffected by the game, then step away from it and give it time. Theres nothing wrong with taking a break.

There is if your head sick from the very idea of quiting or losing that much money.

Voss wrote:
Keep in mind the ork release is split.

They'll push out 1001 units of the Beastsnaggas Limited Edition Collectors Box For Scalpers, then come back with the separate ork codex and actual release in a couple months.

So they may well release sisters, punt the ork box, and then drop AoS 3.0, the new faction's and Stormcast battletomes, and then come back to 40k with TS vs GK, their respective books and settle in for the orks proper release..


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 Ordana wrote:
8th edition was the sort of speed I want GW to have. Practically everyone got their codex reasonably quickly and was able to enjoy them for a long (relative) time with supplements coming out to keep GW's gravy train rolling.

Hard disagree here. 8th happened way too fast, and the books lasted an absurdly short time, doubly so for the terrible supplements.

No, books didn't last an absurdly short time; in fact we've got 8TH books that are few months away from being 4 years old (IG/Eldar/Tyranids/CSM if you do not consider the 2.0 joke)

Karol wrote:

And if you truly do feel this disaffected by the game, then step away from it and give it time. Theres nothing wrong with taking a break.

There is if your head sick from the very idea of quiting or losing that much money.

Jesus christ Karol,

'Taking a break' doesn't mean either quitting or losing money.

And it's certainly better than being a martyr and just wallowing in misery.

Broadly speaking happy with the game.

I can see the point on relativistic release schedules though.

I feel there are people who play the game every week - a bit like a computer game - and so expect GW to release balance patches instantly and new content on a regularly basis. Three weeks of "an issue" feels like an eternity.

Then there are people who'd consider themselves in the hobby - but only get a game in every month or three (or more). For them the fact things shift so much in 6 months is difficult to grasp. They aren't keeping up with new releases, faqs, the meta etc.

Finally you have people who seem to embrace deep time. They want 40k to exist in semi-stasis, a bit like conventional board games, and they can get a game in once every 5 years and expect rules updates to happen on about that basis.

Due to bouncing between 1 and 2 as real life demands, 40k's release schedule has seemed at once excruciatingly slow - but also blistering ly fast these last few years. But yeah - not sure there is a solution. It represents a genuine divide across the playerbase.

KurtAngle2 wrote:
No, books didn't last an absurdly short time; in fact we've got 8TH books that are few months away from being 4 years old (IG/Eldar/Tyranids/CSM if you do not consider the 2.0 joke)

Why would you not consider the 2.0 joke? If people wanted to use the new models they had to get the new codex right?

 vict0988 wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:
No, books didn't last an absurdly short time; in fact we've got 8TH books that are few months away from being 4 years old (IG/Eldar/Tyranids/CSM if you do not consider the 2.0 joke)

Why would you not consider the 2.0 joke? If people wanted to use the new models they had to get the new codex right?

No, you could also get yourself the shadowspear booklet (which btw had special sorcerer Warlord traits which never got into 2.0) and vigilus ablaze.

 vict0988 wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:
No, books didn't last an absurdly short time; in fact we've got 8TH books that are few months away from being 4 years old (IG/Eldar/Tyranids/CSM if you do not consider the 2.0 joke)

Why would you not consider the 2.0 joke? If people wanted to use the new models they had to get the new codex right?

I think he means he wouldnt consider it a substantial update to the CSM rules and considers them to be still using super old rules.

Which i'd 100% agree with.