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 Blastum wrote:
Well, I may get flamed for comments but whatever.

I ain’t feeling the whole BeastSnagga models. I dunno they just feel too…prehistoric and dare I say it, it’s the Flintstones. My 2 cents.

They're a bit hit and miss. Some are fine. Some are jumping to a completely different aesthetic. Others are... chonky plastic toys thrown together with little rhyme or reason. The Squighauler definitely falls into the latter, as do some of the bosses.
The Beastie-boys are odd for the size and some of the details, but for orks that's oddly fine.

The Squighog riders are likely to primarily suffer rules-wise. If they can't make Khorne Juggernauts survivable enough or dangerous enough, I doubt that they're going to manage it with orks.

Commissar Yarrork wrote:

 Blastum wrote:
I ain’t feeling the whole BeastSnagga models. I dunno they just feel too…prehistoric and dare I say it, it’s the Flintstones. My 2 cents.

How long before we see the conversions?

That's exactly what I'm getting them for!
The sprues will tell the real story.

 kilcin wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
https://warhammer40000.com/kill-team/

Website updated. Faction list shows that Kommandos and Krieg (Veteran Guardsmen) are separate factions to Orks and AM.

Well crap, looks like Rogue Traders and my favorites, Servants of the Abyss, are out.

This makes me a bit undecided about the new edition. I might buy the box to get savings on the minis and terrain, but remains to be seen whether I want to stick to using KT 1.0 rules, I've invested too much into minis which will now be left without rules.

There's still a small chance that those old minis will get rules - IIRC the Rogue Traders and BSF models always had faction key
words such as that you could field them alongside other factions. But it doesn't look too promising, especially with the models being OOP and all..

I always liked KT 1.0 rules too. I think GW went a little too far with the rules rewrite. Now there is no connection to big 40K anymore, aside from some non-specialist miniature builds.. I can only hope the new rules system is vastly superior to the old one.

Most likely will end up playing both ruleset editions, as well as the fan-made HH edition.

 zend wrote:
I don’t know how they managed to make the new Boyz more awkwardly posed than the 20+ year old gorilla Boyz kit, but they did. Those legs all look weird relative to the rest of their bodies.

The Krieg sculpts are fat and blobby looking. Forgeworld did them way better.

I'm one of the people that disliked the old boyz, so I'm mostly happy to see a change.

But yeah, I agree that the Krieg sculpts are a step down from the FW version, both in terms of details and proportions, but they still look good and I think at a distance they'll probably look better (not zoomed in so much that a 30mm tall model isn't taking about 150mm of my monitor's real estate).

If you're painting them purely as display models though, yeah, definitely a step down, get your hands on those FW models before they're gone.

The more highlighted and cartoony paintjob does the plastic dkok no favors though, plus the red lenses. The older schemes all had more dark and tradional gas mask lenses, with these they went with a space marine red lens look which IMO doesn't work very well.

The resin models are better, but a more gritty paintjob would bring these plastics more in line with what we were used to seeing.

What bothers me most about the plastic Krieg are the paintjobs. I think they will look much better if painted the way shown on the FW page.

But they are a tad chunkier, probably so that they will not make existing guard plastics look completely ridiculous in comparison if fielded in the same army.

I do prefer the shape of the old gas masks too. They look like hastily sewn together bits of leather, the new plastic ones look like they've been sculpted to look more skull shape.


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Actually they're not terribly different in size when you scale them so the bases are the same...

Notice how the new Ork boss on Squigasaur is an alternate build of a Special Character box. A bit like that abominable Vampire Centarur thing.

I really wish they'd done that also for Sisters characters...

 lord_blackfang wrote:
https://warhammer40000.com/kill-team/

Website updated. Faction list shows that Kommandos and Krieg (Veteran Guardsmen) are separate factions to Orks and AM.

And now this is my new desktop background.

"Stop resisting!"

 GaroRobe wrote:

Togusa wrote:

 Flipsiders wrote:
Haven't seen anyone say this, but the new "Beastboss" is so, so busy. Definitely takes the customizability out of the model, which is a huge minus for Orks. Other stuff like Ghaz and the cars made up for it by looking cool, but I can't say the same in this case.

Spoiler:

I'm not yelling at you per se, but this is not news. Those days of highly customizable kits are gone, and they aren't going to come back. People keep brining it up like they think it's going to change, when it clearly isn't.

The first wave of sister models are super customizable. Look at the Canoness. The kit gives you:
*Four head options
*Two backpacks
*Two torsos
*And four/five weapons per hand (bolt pistol, plasma pistol, inferno pistol or condemnor boltgun in her left hand. Her right hand can be assembled holding a choice of chainsword, power sword, blessed blade, null rod or brazier of holy fury.) I mean, look at the two models

Spoiler:

The only thing I'll knock the model for is she is standing on a very big tactical rock shaped like a pillar. That's really thing that can get repetitive if you have more than one.

Some of the new ork stuff has options as well, just not as many. The Painboss has two heads and can swap out his left hand. Though the model will still have identical backpack and limbs, so not as great as the canoness.

Yeah, and they're literally both in the same pose which is what I was talking about. Not the fact you can have boltgun or crossbowthing or sword or hammer. It may be that the beast boss only has this one weapon option.

 silverstu wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Can we arrange mass “more like this please” feedback once we’ve got the sprues in hand?

Because more like this, please.

Yeah definitely -it would be lovely if they added sets like this to all the factions. It would be especially nice if they revealed a release map for that as well. Eldar Rangers is an obvious pick, I'd love to see them do a set for Nid infiltrators and see what they could come up with- its a good opportunity for them to bring in new concepts which could add tot he 40k universe.
Also they said it was limited due to what it says on the box- so Killteam: other war zones then...this all looks very promising provided they back up these hints by laying out what they actually will do for the game in the future..

Yeah, that was the most intriguing part of the show, IMHO. Adam suggested this box was limited because there might be other war zones to follow. He also kept making a big deal about how you could previously play Kill Team with existing kits, but that they lacked a lot of the options – medics, snipers, etc. – that made the game work. I took this as a hint that perhaps we'd see new kits for other factions that have KT options. Could be a good excuse to update old unit kits like Raptors, Eldar Guardians, Chaos Cultists outside of the normal Codex windows. Exciting times!

Well, I have waited about 20 years for plastic Death Korps (after seeing the illustrations in the 3rd Guard codex I think)... If like modern 40k models then they are great but personally the chunkiness is a major let down for me. I mean, legs almost as thick as their heads and utterly massive weapons. Conveniently, I have another plan. Google "wargames atlantic german infantry death korps of krieg" and it comes up with convincing conversions for DKoK which are relatively cheap and quick to do.

 Blastum wrote:
Well, I may get flamed for comments but whatever.

I ain’t feeling the whole BeastSnagga models. I dunno they just feel too…prehistoric and dare I say it, it’s the Flintstones. My 2 cents.

I do like the new ork boyz and associated models. They could easily blend with the older models so that’s good.

I'm in the same boat. Not liking this new beast snagga range at all. They look like they came straight from AOS. That boss is so cartoonish also.... to each their own I guess. I always thought Ork would go in Mad Max direction, rather than Flintstones...

Balerion wrote:

 Blastum wrote:
Well, I may get flamed for comments but whatever.

I ain’t feeling the whole BeastSnagga models. I dunno they just feel too…prehistoric and dare I say it, it’s the Flintstones. My 2 cents.

I do like the new ork boyz and associated models. They could easily blend with the older models so that’s good.

I'm in the same boat. Not liking this new beast snagga range at all. They look like they came straight from AOS. That boss is so cartoonish also.... to each their own I guess. I always thought Ork would go in Mad Max direction, rather than Flintstones...

What about the speed freeks & commandos? They look pretty mad maxy to me.

As always, resin sculpts will still be superior. Even if there’s a direct plastic alternative.
Kommandos are actually better looking then the previous ones.
I had quite some hopes for terrain, but it’s too orky :(

I don’t really want to start a Krieg army, but those models are lovely, so I’m wondering how easy to convert them to traitor guard? Hmmmm, decisions, decisions.

Of course, dependent on me getting a box first, stupid limited releases…

Racerguy180 wrote:

Balerion wrote:

 Blastum wrote:
Well, I may get flamed for comments but whatever.

I ain’t feeling the whole BeastSnagga models. I dunno they just feel too…prehistoric and dare I say it, it’s the Flintstones. My 2 cents.

I do like the new ork boyz and associated models. They could easily blend with the older models so that’s good.

I'm in the same boat. Not liking this new beast snagga range at all. They look like they came straight from AOS. That boss is so cartoonish also.... to each their own I guess. I always thought Ork would go in Mad Max direction, rather than Flintstones...

What about the speed freeks & commandos? They look pretty mad maxy to me.

For my taste the Beastsnaggas are too madmaxy if anything, I'd like proper feral Orks more instead every single one of these having Bionics But I guess GW wants to draw a clear line to their AoS Orks so they gave the Snaggas an obvious 40K touch.

 Samsonov wrote:
Well, I have waited about 20 years for plastic Death Korps (after seeing the illustrations in the 3rd Guard codex I think)... If like modern 40k models then they are great but personally the chunkiness is a major let down for me. I mean, legs almost as thick as their heads and utterly massive weapons. Conveniently, I have another plan. Google "wargames atlantic german infantry death korps of krieg" and it comes up with convincing conversions for DKoK which are relatively cheap and quick to do.

Yeah, the chunky, cartoonish proportions are a real let down.

I understand people’s disappointment at the Krieg models bring “chunkier (for lack of a better term,” but I don’t know why people would expect anything different? FW Krieg are true 28 scale and as far as I know GW proper produces literally nothing that is true 28 (I don’t think FW does for that matter any more either). The new Krieg minis are designed to match in with the rest of the 40k range (and the proportions on them are absolutely exceptional when compared to the Cadians or Catachans infantry kits). I think they look really great for 28mm heroic infantry.

I mean would i prefer the 40k range and GW in general to sculpt more in line with true 28 scale? Probably, but they aren’t going to change their entire catalog.

Also of note are some of the KT faction names “Ecclesiarchy” and “Forge World” are pretty broad and specific respectively. I’m guessing they did that to make other factions similar to the Veteran Kriegsmen and Commandos in those factions ( Sisters and Ad Mech) in the future?

Racerguy180 wrote:

Balerion wrote:

 Blastum wrote:
Well, I may get flamed for comments but whatever.

I ain’t feeling the whole BeastSnagga models. I dunno they just feel too…prehistoric and dare I say it, it’s the Flintstones. My 2 cents.

I do like the new ork boyz and associated models. They could easily blend with the older models so that’s good.

I'm in the same boat. Not liking this new beast snagga range at all. They look like they came straight from AOS. That boss is so cartoonish also.... to each their own I guess. I always thought Ork would go in Mad Max direction, rather than Flintstones...

What about the speed freeks & commandos? They look pretty mad maxy to me.

Speed freeks are pretty cool Mad Maxy to me. If I played Orks, I'd make Speed Freeks army probably. Komandos are nice.

I understand people’s disappointment at the Krieg models bring “chunkier (for lack of a better term,” but I don’t know why people would expect anything different? FW Krieg are true 28 scale and as far as I know GW proper produces literally nothing that is true 28 (I don’t think FW does for that matter any more either). The new Krieg minis are designed to match in with the rest of the 40k range (and the proportions on them are absolutely exceptional when compared to the Cadians or Catachans infantry kits). I think they look really great for 28mm heroic infantry. I should also note if you have ever worked with DKoK or Elysians in FW resin, there is a good chance you had a bad experience (in part because of the true scale and in part because FW resin and casting is garbage).


I mean would i prefer the 40k range and GW in general to sculpt more in line with true 28 scale? Probably, but they aren’t going to change their entire catalog.

Also of note are some of the KT faction names “Ecclesiarchy” and “Forge World” are pretty broad and specific respectively. I’m guessing they did that to make other factions similar to the Veteran Kriegsmen and Commandos in those factions ( Sisters and Ad Mech) in the future?

 Sabotage! wrote:
I understand people’s disappointment at the Krieg models bring “chunkier (for lack of a better term,” but I don’t know why people would expect anything different? FW Krieg are true 28 scale and as far as I know GW proper produces literally nothing that is true 28 (I don’t think FW does for that matter any more either). The new Krieg minis are designed to match in with the rest of the 40k range (and the proportions on them are absolutely exceptional when compared to the Cadians or Catachans infantry kits). I think they look really great for 28mm heroic infantry.

I mean would i prefer the 40k range and GW in general to sculpt more in line with true 28 scale? Probably, but they aren’t going to change their entire catalog.

Also of note are some of the KT faction names “Ecclesiarchy” and “Forge World” are pretty broad and specific respectively. I’m guessing they did that to make other factions similar to the Veteran Kriegsmen and Commandos in those factions ( Sisters and Ad Mech) in the future?

After looking at a side by side, my main complaint is the ankles, they made the ankles super chunky for some reason.

The guns, hands and arms got a bit bigger, but really not massively so.

I'm glad they didn't make them bobbleheads.

The GW paint job which is less gritty than the FW style probably makes them look worse than they are, people are probably too accustomed to seeing FW's brilliantly painted DKOK rather than the cartoon GW style or your average mediocre gamer's attempts.

After looking at them side by side in the image I posted earlier on this page, I think once you have the model in hand they'll probably look okay proportion wise, certainly nowhere near as bad as the old IG plastics.

I'm mostly happy, depending on the price I'll buy a box and if they look good in the plastic then I think I may be restarting my IG army, this time purely Krieg (I do have a few FW Kriegs as well, but never enough to make an army).

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Plastic Cadians/Catachans being as tall and chunky as a Vanilla Marine in full power armour is one of the reasons for the popularity of "true scale" Space Marines in the first place.

I want to see these guys next to a Phobos Marine or the new Necrons. Because the current pictures make them look like giants.

Still wouldn't help the oversized guns, but I hope the Krieg are thinner and shorter than Phobos.

A welcome preview after them banging on about AoS Dominion for the last few weeks. Ork and Imperial players seem happy enough and deserve some love being two of the most iconic factions in the game.

Bit confused regarding the core manual for kill team. Did they say its one book for the rules and another for the factions? Also disappointed that Ynnari are not in the line up of factions on the website.

Warzone Octarius is practically yelling at us that the Tyranid codex is on the way, and looking forward to it.

Blown away by the new Kill Team box, great models and a decent amount of terrain. Very interested to see how this new version plays.

Steve

Is this a new model? Possibly of Kryptman

https://www.dakkadakka.com/core/gallery-oembed.jsp?format=json&url=https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/1111409-Warzone%20octarius.html

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I guess I'm in the minority for liking the Beastboss? Heck, he could probably waltz into an Ironjawz warband with very little need of conversion too.

My only worry is if he'll be big enough to adequately represent a boss.

I like him too. As to size, he is supposed to be warboss equivalent for Beast Snaggas so he should be big enough.

Goose LeChance wrote:
I want to see these guys next to a Phobos Marine or the new Necrons. Because the current pictures make them look like giants.

They are on what I assume are 25mm bases, people are maybe getting used to seeing models on 32mm bases which makes these guys look too big.

But I think people will be surprised how small they are, given the comparison pic I posted earlier they're not much taller or bulkier than the FW DKOK, and the FW DKOK look much smaller than most of GW's range these days.

The one thing I would say is I kind of wish it wasn't the death korps. The models are extremely cool but I don't really like them in the lore. I would have much preferred Valhallans or Steel Legion as the ultimate anti Ork regiments.

Some veteran style Valhallans in the same vein would have been incredible.

Wow, yea this exceeded all expectations for me. I mean, Ork terrain?! I've already made some, and this will allow me to easily fill a full board which is awesome.

Kommandos look great, love all the little details, they are going to be a joy to paint. Krieg guardsmen are grimdark and nice, will also be fun to paint.

Let's just hope the new edition rules are fun - the current ones are a bit so-so IMO.

But props to the guys running the previews - it seems like they are getting better at it. Of course it also depends on them having interesting stuff to show, which in this case they had so - yea will definitely get this box, let's just hope the pricing is within reason. I mean it's a start box, right, you'd want it accessible if you want people to get into the game?