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The new Krieg minis look great but I wish they included an alternative set of helmets with open faces. I like the Krieg look but part of the appeal of guard is that they are just regular humans thrust into a universe full of madness. The helmets hide that.

Chikout wrote:
The new Krieg minis look great but I wish they included an alternative set of helmets with open faces. I like the Krieg look but part of the appeal of guard is that they are just regular humans thrust into a universe full of madness. The helmets hide that.

It wouldn't be Kriegers without their gas masks

Chikout wrote:
The new Krieg minis look great but I wish they included an alternative set of helmets with open faces. I like the Krieg look but part of the appeal of guard is that they are just regular humans thrust into a universe full of madness. The helmets hide that.

That's just like your opinion man. I see IoM as a seriously deranged facist society and the faceless nature of the infantry suits such a vision much better. I don't want to see their faces, I just want to blow them off the table!

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Chikout wrote:
The new Krieg minis look great but I wish they included an alternative set of helmets with open faces. I like the Krieg look but part of the appeal of guard is that they are just regular humans thrust into a universe full of madness. The helmets hide that.

It wouldn't be Kriegers without their gas masks

I'm not saying don't do Krieg. I'm saying do a second set of heads in addition like the recent cadian sprue.

One of they joys of the imperial guard is the vast number of regiments. It would be a great opportunity to add more than one regiment to the range.

Chikout wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Chikout wrote:
The new Krieg minis look great but I wish they included an alternative set of helmets with open faces. I like the Krieg look but part of the appeal of guard is that they are just regular humans thrust into a universe full of madness. The helmets hide that.

It wouldn't be Kriegers without their gas masks

I'm not saying don't do Krieg. I'm saying do a second set of heads in addition like the recent cadian sprue.

One of they joys of the imperial guard is the vast number of regiments. It would be a great opportunity to add more than one regiment to the range.

Most regiments differ in more than just a head.
And Krieg with faces - just ain’t Krieg, I’m afraid, so there was no point in adding alternative heads with faces to the sprue.

So if you want to make Krieg models... don't use the bare heads? I don't understand.

It looks like the heads and gas mask hoses are separate bits so hopefully head swaps are easy.



Yeah the gasmask is iconic for Krieg, but if you want to use the bodies for another regiment or just as variant Cadians head swaps make that easy.

I'm concerned about reports that the bases are 3.5mm wider than was previously standard for Imperial Guard models. Why do they do this?

I hope it's not indicative of a scale creep on the models as a whole.

I have two squads of Steel Legion metals, a squad of Catachan metals and a squad of Cadian metals. Would be fun to add these to them if they are in the right scale. OTOH I might just get more Steel Legion.

 Da Boss wrote:
I'm concerned about reports that the bases are 3.5mm wider than was previously standard for Imperial Guard models. Why do they do this?

I hope it's not indicative of a scale creep on the models as a whole.

I have two squads of Steel Legion metals, a squad of Catachan metals and a squad of Cadian metals. Would be fun to add these to them if they are in the right scale. OTOH I might just get more Steel Legion.

It's another way of them trying to get you to stop using your old army and buy the new stuff.

I'd be more likely to toss the new bases and just use regular old ones for any new mini.

Rihgu wrote:
So if you want to make Krieg models... don't use the bare heads? I don't understand.

I fail to see the point of providing krieg miniatures with non-krieg heads. That's like providing ogryns with ork heads.

 Jidmah wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
So if you want to make Krieg models... don't use the bare heads? I don't understand.

I fail to see the point of providing krieg miniatures with non-krieg heads. That's like providing ogryns with ork heads.

And some people think there's no point in providing krieg miniatures with medals and medics. Some people even think the heads provided aren't Krieg, because they changed the gasmask! Some people see no point in Space Marine kits having un-helmeted options, etc. Those Krieg minis could just as easily be Kryyg, or Krag, or Kriegia, or Armageddon Iron Phalanx, so if you're making Krieg models just don't use the non-Krieg heads.

 Da Boss wrote:
I'm concerned about reports that the bases are 3.5mm wider than was previously standard for Imperial Guard models. Why do they do this?

I hope it's not indicative of a scale creep on the models as a whole.

I have two squads of Steel Legion metals, a squad of Catachan metals and a squad of Cadian metals. Would be fun to add these to them if they are in the right scale. OTOH I might just get more Steel Legion.

If thats the case then these will probably a lot bigger and already chunkier than previous humans.
While cursed city and such have huge vampires well they have the vampire excuse for scale but plain humans is going to be harder to mix and match with your current minis.

Yea love the "I don't need X, so nobody else should either" argument here

So, there is no argument for it because false analogies? Gotcha.

If you don't want krieg miniatures, don't buy krieg miniatures.

 Da Boss wrote:
I'm concerned about reports that the bases are 3.5mm wider than was previously standard for Imperial Guard models. Why do they do this?

I hope it's not indicative of a scale creep on the models as a whole.

I have two squads of Steel Legion metals, a squad of Catachan metals and a squad of Cadian metals. Would be fun to add these to them if they are in the right scale. OTOH I might just get more Steel Legion.

In a word: money.

Everything they do aim's at moving money from your wallet to theirs. Your old models, game balance etc are all irrelevant. Making you buy new models is everything.

 Jidmah wrote:
So, there is no argument for it because false analogies? Gotcha.

If you don't want krieg miniatures, don't buy krieg miniatures.

Imagine being so petty you're actively against something that doesn't hurt you in any way just to inconvenience others

That sprue is packed to the brim, adding an extra 10-12 heads is going to remove some of the other options. You'd also have to change to models to accommodate for making gas masks optional.

 Jidmah wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
So if you want to make Krieg models... don't use the bare heads? I don't understand.

I fail to see the point of providing krieg miniatures with non-krieg heads. That's like providing ogryns with ork heads.

He's after a two-for-one box of different regiments that only requires alternate heads. Steel Legion or Chem Dogs would work (though I doubt he, specifically, would want Chem Dogs) without needing much more than that.

As for the bases, if they do migrate wholesale to 28.5s, I imagine it's to finish off the constant issues they have with using inches as the default measurement and having the old bases be .4mm smaller than that. With slightly larger bases, you don't have things fighting in two ranks (well, unless you offset them slightly, but let's not confuse GW) and you get a little more room for dramatic poses.

I really don't see anything stopping anyone from using 3rd party or alternative heads on those Kriegsmen unless the neck socket is too small(won't know until I get the box).

 Jidmah wrote:
That sprue is packed to the brim, adding an extra 10-12 heads is going to remove some of the other options. You'd also have to change to models to accommodate for making gas masks optional.

Or, they could create new sprues for other not-Krieg specific units that still use the greatcoat bodies.

Which, going by the fact that the respirators seem to be separate from the body, appears to be what they want to do.

 Trimarius wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
So if you want to make Krieg models... don't use the bare heads? I don't understand.

I fail to see the point of providing krieg miniatures with non-krieg heads. That's like providing ogryns with ork heads.

He's after a two-for-one box of different regiments that only requires alternate heads. Steel Legion or Chem Dogs would work (though I doubt he, specifically, would want Chem Dogs) without needing much more than that.

While I do understand this sort of request, I think it simplifies the regiments far too much and ignores the nuances that makes them distinct. Yes, something like Krieg and Steel legion are both gasmasked guard with long coats, but there's more of a difference to them that couldn't be done with just a headswap and such. They're only similar in that basic idea - they have entirely different boots, coats, lasguns, helmets, masks, gloves etc to the point it it would either require a completely different kit/substantial replacement parts, or a vast modification of the look of the alternate regiment overall to something it's not and instead just making them Krieg-but-not-quite. There are more differences than there are similarities.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
That sprue is packed to the brim, adding an extra 10-12 heads is going to remove some of the other options. You'd also have to change to models to accommodate for making gas masks optional.

Or, they could create new sprues for other not-Krieg specific units that still use the greatcoat bodies.

Which, going by the fact that the respirators seem to be separate from the body, appears to be what they want to do.

I actually agree with Jidmah here, I think the "but it doesn't hurt you so lets just have it for the people who want it" argument doesn't go too far when you realise everything GW make means a compromise with something else that could be in the box.

Take the new Cadian head sprue, sweet! People who want head options on their Cadians get them, people who don't want head options don't have to use them... except EVERYONE pays for it, so now a 10 man Cadian squad is just absurdly expensive for what it is.

Otherwise GW sells the sprue separately, which means people who don't want bare Krieg heads don't have to buy them, but then the cost of buying a regiment of non-DKOK becomes even more expensive.

On the one hand options are great, on the other hand lets just let GW get DKOK right for now, then hopefully they'll release another regiment later.

It'd be great to go back to something like the pre-plastic days when GW had many regiment options, given plastic production has gotten cheaper I think it's actually viable to have 3 sprues per regiment giving you a command, a heavy weapons team and a unit of regular guardsmen.

Imagine wasting any of that precious sprue space on alternate heads. Look at that picture, it's glorious. Props to GW for once.

One of the added benefits for pushing Krieg besides the obvious fact that they're insanely popular and cool, is that GW can avoid the whole "representation" controversy and blow back from twitter mobs. It's Genius. GW is gonna make so much $$$.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
While I do understand this sort of request, I think it simplifies the regiments far too much and ignores the nuances that makes them distinct. Yes, something like Krieg and Steel legion are both gasmasked guard with long coats, but there's more of a difference to them that couldn't be done with just a headswap and such. They're only similar in that basic idea - they have entirely different boots, coats, lasguns, helmets, masks, gloves etc to the point it it would either require a completely different kit/substantial replacement parts, or a vast modification of the look of the alternate regiment overall to something it's not and instead just making them Krieg-but-not-quite. There are more differences than there are similarities.

So what you're saying is that it's better that the billions of different guard regiments continue being represented by 2, now going on 3, fixed uniforms than there being any racial impurity in the uniform of any one of them

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
That sprue is packed to the brim, adding an extra 10-12 heads is going to remove some of the other options. You'd also have to change to models to accommodate for making gas masks optional.

Or, they could create new sprues for other not-Krieg specific units that still use the greatcoat bodies.

Which, going by the fact that the respirators seem to be separate from the body, appears to be what they want to do.

I actually agree with Jidmah here, I think the "but it doesn't hurt you so lets just have it for the people who want it" argument doesn't go too far when you realise everything GW make means a compromise with something else that could be in the box.

Take the new Cadian head sprue, sweet! People who want head options on their Cadians get them, people who don't want head options don't have to use them... except EVERYONE pays for it, so now a 10 man Cadian squad is just absurdly expensive for what it is.

Otherwise GW sells the sprue separately, which means people who don't want bare Krieg heads don't have to buy them, but then the cost of buying a regiment of non-DKOK becomes even more expensive.

On the one hand options are great, on the other hand lets just let GW get DKOK right for now, then hopefully they'll release another regiment later.

It'd be great to go back to something like the pre-plastic days when GW had many regiment options, given plastic production has gotten cheaper I think it's actually viable to have 3 sprues per regiment giving you a command, a heavy weapons team and a unit of regular guardsmen.

Otoh without those heads no plasma/melta either.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Trimarius wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
So if you want to make Krieg models... don't use the bare heads? I don't understand.

I fail to see the point of providing krieg miniatures with non-krieg heads. That's like providing ogryns with ork heads.

He's after a two-for-one box of different regiments that only requires alternate heads. Steel Legion or Chem Dogs would work (though I doubt he, specifically, would want Chem Dogs) without needing much more than that.

While I do understand this sort of request, I think it simplifies the regiments far too much and ignores the nuances that makes them distinct. Yes, something like Krieg and Steel legion are both gasmasked guard with long coats, but there's more of a difference to them that couldn't be done with just a headswap and such. They're only similar in that basic idea - they have entirely different boots, coats, lasguns, helmets, masks, gloves etc.

That's all true but having waited a very long time for new regiment in plastic, do you think there's even the slightest chance we'll get another plastic regiment with slightly different gear? Also I specifically asked for a set of heads without masks which would change the atmosphere quite a bit.

My dream release would be 12 kits. 4 different regiments each with a regular squad, a command squad and a heavy weapons team all with interchangeable bits but I don't hold out much hope for that.

I actually agree with Jidmah here, I think the "but it doesn't hurt you so lets just have it for the people who want it" argument doesn't go too far when you realise everything GW make means a compromise with something else that could be in the box.

If we're going with that argument, then I'd rather there be no regiment boxes at all, and just one single "Militarum Infantry" kit.

After all, every time they release something like DKOK, Catachan, Cadians, Vostroyan, etc, there is a compromise with something else GW could produce.
Why make so many unique Militarum regiments to eat away at potential things like Plastic Aspect Warriors, Tyranid horde infantry that don't have split heads, etc?

Rihgu wrote:
If we're going with that argument, then I'd rather there be no regiment boxes at all, and just one single "Militarum Infantry" kit.

That's basically what Cadians were, the most generic looking Guardsmen.

After all, every time they release something like DKOK, Catachan, Cadians, Vostroyan, etc, there is a compromise with something else GW could produce.
Why make so many unique Militarum regiments to eat away at potential things like Plastic Aspect Warriors, Tyranid horde infantry that don't have split heads, etc?

I was obviously talking about in the one box, or as an expansion to it. Obviously the range as a whole needs diversity, that just goes without saying.

But as much as I'd love Valhallans and Steel Legion, I don't want Valhallans and Steel Legion to be head swapped DKOK, I want my DKOK to be good DKOK and my Valhallans to be good Valhallans... all while not being absurdly expensive due to having to buy a bunch of extra bits you aren't even going to use.

The DKOK kit already has tons of bits and I'm not expecting it to be cheap when it releases separately, the last thing I'd want is to either lose some of those DKOK bits or have it cost $10 more because it has an extra sprue of heads.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
That sprue is packed to the brim, adding an extra 10-12 heads is going to remove some of the other options. You'd also have to change to models to accommodate for making gas masks optional.

Or, they could create new sprues for other not-Krieg specific units that still use the greatcoat bodies.

Which, going by the fact that the respirators seem to be separate from the body, appears to be what they want to do.

I actually agree with Jidmah here, I think the "but it doesn't hurt you so lets just have it for the people who want it" argument doesn't go too far when you realise everything GW make means a compromise with something else that could be in the box.

Take the new Cadian head sprue, sweet! People who want head options on their Cadians get them, people who don't want head options don't have to use them... except EVERYONE pays for it, so now a 10 man Cadian squad is just absurdly expensive for what it is.

Otherwise GW sells the sprue separately, which means people who don't want bare Krieg heads don't have to buy them, but then the cost of buying a regiment of non-DKOK becomes even more expensive.

On the one hand options are great, on the other hand lets just let GW get DKOK right for now, then hopefully they'll release another regiment later.

It'd be great to go back to something like the pre-plastic days when GW had many regiment options, given plastic production has gotten cheaper I think it's actually viable to have 3 sprues per regiment giving you a command, a heavy weapons team and a unit of regular guardsmen.

Er, I meant afterwards, not right in the initial box ^^