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 Sim-Life wrote:

 Afrodactyl wrote:
I'm gonna say four years. The rules aren't particularly wonky in any way I can think of of the top of my head, but there has been done delay in releases because Covid.

So realistically like, three and a half, but rounded to four for being picky's sake.

The 8th Ed rules weren't wonky either but they still released a new edition in fairly short order.

Well, but 8th was a completr overhaul and had some essential things to improve,e.g. command point system, terrain rules.

I feel like 9th is more thought out and does not need a 10th that changes too much, but could work with minor adjustments via beta rules and FAQs

Bago wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Afrodactyl wrote:
I'm gonna say four years. The rules aren't particularly wonky in any way I can think of of the top of my head, but there has been done delay in releases because Covid.

So realistically like, three and a half, but rounded to four for being picky's sake.

The 8th Ed rules weren't wonky either but they still released a new edition in fairly short order.

Well, but 8th was a completr overhaul and had some essential things to improve,e.g. command point system, terrain rules.

I feel like 9th is more thought out and does not need a 10th that changes too much, but could work with minor adjustments via beta rules and FAQs

There was nothing wrong with 8th that couldn't have been solved with an 8.1 book like they did with AoS. Launching a whole new edition was a pure money grab.

New edition releases when marine codex sales go too far down.

Luckily I do actually really enjoy reading the codexes as well as using them for games. But yes, having 4 means some won't get much gaming use..

chaos0xomega wrote:
Voted 4, COVID has had a pretty big impact on the rate of codex releases, in 8th GW averaged more than 1 codex/month until they ran out of codexes, and then continued to average more than 1 rulebook/month (codex supplements, vigilus, pariah nexus, etc.) right up until March 2020 when they went into lockdown and had to shift things 3 months back, etc.

Since 9th dropped, GW has averaged 1 codex every 2 months (so half the rate) and only matches the slightly more than 1 rulebook/month rate of 8th if you add Crusade mission packs, charadon, and codex supplements into the mix.

So a pretty noticeable difference in rate of releases, I imagine that GW would rather delay 10th than not finished its planned content roadmap for 9th.

Gw has no requirement to update all codexes during edition and historically it's been abnormality.

I'd be interested to see how many rulebooks people need to update each edition, so I've posted a poll here: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/800437.page#11202158

GW has never made updates for all factions within 1 Edition

there is a 2 Edition cycle of similar rules were books with a smaller update via a campaign book stay valid

yet not thinking they go down to 2 years as they are not fast enough updating all Marine books

if 10th will be Summer 2023 depends on how big The Old World release will be and if they are able to match the given 3 years

otherwise I can see 3 main games with a new Edition launch each year (2023 40k, 2024 AoS, 2025 TOW, 2026 40k etc.)

 kodos wrote:
GW has never made updates for all factions within 1 Edition

there is a 2 Edition cycle of similar rules were books with a smaller update via a campaign book stay valid

yet not thinking they go down to 2 years as they are not fast enough updating all Marine books

if 10th will be Summer 2023 depends on how big The Old World release will be and if they are able to match the given 3 years

otherwise I can see 3 main games with a new Edition launch each year (2023 40k, 2024 AoS, 2025 TOW, 2026 40k etc.)

They haven't? What factions in 8e were still using indexes?

Fb had at least one complete edition.

I'd guessing a desiding factor might be whether we see factions like World Eaters and Emperors Children expanded with an individual codex and model release in the 9th or 10th editions, it happens in the 9th I'm guessing the game might last a bit longer.

4 years, they will need an additional year for supplements.

tneva82 wrote:
They haven't?.

Khorne did not get a Codex update in 8th as well as Inquisition (kind of)

Both are very debatable as factions.

Was chatting to a GW staff member a good while ago who said that the rough foundations of 10th are in place. Given how long ago that was I'd expect some significant progress to have been made since. If I had to make an educated guess I'd expect 10th in 2023.

Obviously have to take it with a pinch of salt.

 Tyran wrote:
Both are very debatable as factions.

lets see of the 9th Khorne Codex is an updated 7th one or something new

Three years, although there is the chance that 10th edition might drag out for four because of 9th's slow roll out.

To the original post -

From July of 2012 through November of 2020, Games Workshop released 4 editions of 40k.... That's right, we had 4 editions in just over an 8 year span. For Age of Sigmar, they just released the 3rd edition in just under 6 years.

If recent track record means anything, it means that no edition lasts longer than 3 years and in my humble opinion it either means GW loves the sales of new editions, or is completely incompetent in their ability to write a sustainable rules set. (I actually think it's a bit of both...)

This is why I've fallen back to the old adage of, "Newer is not always better" and I'd gladly go back and an older edition of 40k, than try and keep up with the latest rules set.

 Wolflord Patrick wrote:
To the original post -

From July of 2012 through November of 2020, Games Workshop released 4 editions of 40k.... That's right, we had 4 editions in just over an 8 year span. For Age of Sigmar, they just released the 3rd edition in just under 6 years.

If recent track record means anything, it means that no edition lasts longer than 3 years and in my humble opinion it either means GW loves the sales of new editions, or is completely incompetent in their ability to write a sustainable rules set. (I actually think it's a bit of both...)

This is why I've fallen back to the old adage of, "Newer is not always better" and I'd gladly go back and an older edition of 40k, than try and keep up with the latest rules set.

Your range there cuts 9th's length off at the knees and gives a bit of a false perspective.

In any case there are two periods of Warhammer : 8th and forward and old hammer. 8th is the first time they stripped out the core of 40K and heavily reworked it. 9th was a good transition to consolidate the experience they gained in designing the ruleset and it shows.

Now, GW loves money. No doubt. I fully expect 10th in 4 years or less and it will probably come with modified vehicle rules and some other changes, but the core will stay as it is. I'm not really bothered buying a BRB on that timescale, because it will consolidate the changes through 9th.

Oh man, I was playing from 5th-6th ed and it felt like they were both cut short by the next edition turning up early.

So I'd be pessimistic and vote low.

 Boringstuff wrote:
Oh man, I was playing from 5th-6th ed and it felt like they were both cut short by the next edition turning up early.

So I'd be pessimistic and vote low.

5th wasn't cut short, but 6th was.

The breaks were 6,5,6,4,4,2,3,3. It seems to me that GW didn't have the man power to shift editions early on and people are reaching back almost two decades to get the 6 year gap.

 Daedalus81 wrote:


In any case there are two periods of Warhammer : 8th and forward and old hammer. 8th is the first time they stripped out the core of 40K and heavily reworked it. 9th was a good transition to consolidate the experience they gained in designing the ruleset and it shows.

Now, GW loves money. No doubt. I fully expect 10th in 4 years or less and it will probably come with modified vehicle rules and some other changes, but the core will stay as it is. I'm not really bothered buying a BRB on that timescale, because it will consolidate the changes through 9th.

I’d argue that we’ve had 3 eras. RT-2nd, 3rd-7th, 8th+

The changes to 3rd were just a severe a break as the 7-8 change, if not more so.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:


In any case there are two periods of Warhammer : 8th and forward and old hammer. 8th is the first time they stripped out the core of 40K and heavily reworked it. 9th was a good transition to consolidate the experience they gained in designing the ruleset and it shows.

Now, GW loves money. No doubt. I fully expect 10th in 4 years or less and it will probably come with modified vehicle rules and some other changes, but the core will stay as it is. I'm not really bothered buying a BRB on that timescale, because it will consolidate the changes through 9th.

I’d argue that we’ve had 3 eras. RT-2nd, 3rd-7th, 8th+

The changes to 3rd were just a severe a break as the 7-8 change, if not more so.

You're probably right. My brain doesn't remember much from back then.

New edition, Summer 2024 and no sooner. Their releases have been hugely delayed due to COVID and the issue they face is they need 3 years at least of AOS 3.0 before they can bring over the playtested rules they want to bring into 40k.

End of 2022, We'll see the start of Edition 9.5 where Space Marines get a buff and a couple minor units whilst they continue to work on the all-new models for them that will come in 10th.

I also suspect that 10th will be the edition of Eldar Craftworlds as the primary opponent. The line needs a full refresh, there's not many armies left to do it with and the last 2 editions have seen exactly this as opposed to the mid-edition codexes where maybe you see 1 or 2 new units (Orks being the exception to this rule the last couple of editions)

Sumilidon wrote:
New edition, Summer 2024 and no sooner. Their releases have been hugely delayed due to COVID and the issue they face is they need 3 years at least of AOS 3.0 before they can bring over the playtested rules they want to bring into 40k.

End of 2022, We'll see the start of Edition 9.5 where Space Marines get a buff and a couple minor units whilst they continue to work on the all-new models for them that will come in 10th.

I also suspect that 10th will be the edition of Eldar Craftworlds as the primary opponent. The line needs a full refresh, there's not many armies left to do it with and the last 2 editions have seen exactly this as opposed to the mid-edition codexes where maybe you see 1 or 2 new units (Orks being the exception to this rule the last couple of editions)

In 8th you had a comparable refresh to the CSM line. Why many these units are still only available in the etb Starterset is beyond me, but they released at least 9 units with that one wave.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Boringstuff wrote:
Oh man, I was playing from 5th-6th ed and it felt like they were both cut short by the next edition turning up early.

So I'd be pessimistic and vote low.

5th wasn't cut short, but 6th was.

The breaks were 6,5,6,4,4,2,3,3. It seems to me that GW didn't have the man power to shift editions early on and people are reaching back almost two decades to get the 6 year gap.

Ok, maybe it just felt like it was cut short looking back. XD

Still was a bit of a shock to come back and it to be 9th ed.

5th felt cut short back than because people felt no need for a new Edition but just wanted to have a FAQ/Errata and expected to get another year

and GW does not care about Covid, they already have their fixed release dates and unless another lockdown in China happens that prevents shipping of books, it ill happen a planned

No they won't, GW release are behind schedule by at least a few months, as we know both the GK and TS codexes were meant to be released before CA 2021.

and if GW would have cared about that, they would have waited with CA2021 release

we can also guess that the whole AoS stuff is late for reasons as it makes no sense to release a new Edition and waith with the new books that cover the new core box units 2 months

but again, if GW would have cared, they would have waited or changed to release dates to match

so if they have planned to release a new Editon in 2023, they will do it, no matter if the last 9th Edition Codex or Campaign book will be coming after that, because they don't care

Someone said something that amazed me, and I would like proof of the claim.

What factions were left out of the update list for the last two editions? Not counting different flavors/colors of power armor.

Chaos Space Marines, Tyranids and Guard didn't get a 7th from memory

 Eldarain wrote:
Chaos Space Marines, Tyranids and Guard didn't get a 7th from memory

CSM kind of got an 8th edition book. But I don't think it was a full update?