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2021/08/22 10:39:45
Subject: Warhammer+ - Hammer and Bolter: Old Bale Eye
Had it been a trailer for their new orks vs Imperium campaign it would have been pretty decent. As a preview of a paid streaming service... not so much.
Orks. Doing Mockney accents. Telling a story we know. Yawwwwn.
I really didn’t enjoy it and the ‘animation’ barely deserves that moniker.
Not for me, this WH+ thing.
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Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
2021/08/22 14:15:46
Subject: Re:Warhammer+ - Hammer and Bolter: Old Bale Eye
Lore videos are honestly... whatever. They've been recycling the same old stuff for decades now. Listening to some rando read through material an order of magnitude slower than I can read it is just a turn off.
The rest of it has even less value.
and if THAT is all their lore video is, yeah it'll suck. as I said the one strength GW has in this is they make the lore. so they can literally reveal never before known factoids etc, something the youtube lore channels can't do. they can bring in authors etc and ask them questions that WILL get answers. if they lean into this power, they'll stand out (not eneugh to be worth subscribing all by itself mind you as those factoids will swiftly be regurgitated by the youtube lore channels) the quality of the videos will certainl be key.
Doesn't matter. They can also just do 'new lore' and 'factoids' in books (or, shocking thought, WD?). I'm baffled by what you think the appeal is.
What you're talking about is basically distilling FOMO into little video snippets and trying to push people into subs because they might miss something. That's terrible.
If they even bother with it- GW's track record at being engaging on tech platforms AND 'official answers' are both really poor.
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2021/08/22 14:35:01
Subject: Warhammer+ - Hammer and Bolter: Old Bale Eye
Billicus wrote: I really liked it, I guess the key is low expectations. No idea what some of y'all were expecting.
Animation? More than a line or two, then lots of grunting, from 80% of the voice actors (of which there were only a handful, since there wasn't any reason not to double up on the tiny roles outside the narrator)?
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2021/08/22 15:25:37
Subject: Warhammer+ - Hammer and Bolter: Old Bale Eye
It was alright, good voice acting and story, but a story I've read many times. That animation was terrible, I'm not expecting Akira levels of quality, but something better than a early Newgrounds flash vid.
I would like to see what the guys of Love, Death, and Robots would come up with, that would be something special. Will I be subscribing? I honestly don't know, it doesn't seem worth it as it stands, even with the access to old White Dwarfs and the app features, paint and lore vids. I really do like that Vindicare model though and Orc.
If they threw in the latest White Dwarf in digital form It would be worth it.
2021/08/22 15:31:29
Subject: Warhammer+ - Hammer and Bolter: Old Bale Eye
I can't tell if GW are protecting what they think is the "good stuff" for Warhammer+ but they have continued to lead with weak content. I've continued to notice that the sound effects in these animations is usually very bad. No sense of scale. They had the same problem in the preview of Angels of Death. The Blood Angels cameo in this one is comically bad seemed like they went back and slapped it in.
Also I find it odd that they only put it up for a short time. Why not have it up always as an introduction to the service? I'd have been hyped several years ago if someone was making this on youtube, not a paid streaming service.
2021/08/22 18:03:02
Subject: Warhammer+ - Hammer and Bolter: Old Bale Eye
CMLR wrote: Funny how everyone is using this as the only point of reference when we have Astarters II coming up.
Well, I'll judge it when it comes then. Until that, one can only judge what actually exist.
What I tried to point out is that the offering quality is going to be all over the place, making it overall an awful experience. Not-so-greatly edited animations next to bloody Astartes and possibly Exodite.
2021/08/22 18:38:26
Subject: Warhammer+ - Hammer and Bolter: Old Bale Eye
CMLR wrote: Funny how everyone is using this as the only point of reference when we have Astarters II coming up.
Well, I'll judge it when it comes then. Until that, one can only judge what actually exist.
What I tried to point out is that the offering quality is going to be all over the place, making it overall an awful experience. Not-so-greatly edited animations next to bloody Astartes and possibly Exodite.
True enough, yeah.
Honestly, I might sub a month in a year or so... there's bound to be enough to binge for a month by then. Before that it feels like burning money for nothing, even if all the series were actually animated instead of what we've seen so far.
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2021/08/22 18:47:25
Subject: Warhammer+ - Hammer and Bolter: Old Bale Eye
and if THAT is all their lore video is, yeah it'll suck. as I said the one strength GW has in this is they make the lore. so they can literally reveal never before known factoids etc, something the youtube lore channels can't do. they can bring in authors etc and ask them questions that WILL get answers. if they lean into this power, they'll stand out (not eneugh to be worth subscribing all by itself mind you as those factoids will swiftly be regurgitated by the youtube lore channels) the quality of the videos will certainl be key.
I think the lore videos will sadly further kill the background of 40k. It was written as a sandbox with a mishmash of historical references by a bunch of history grads. The new background is ever more constraining and focusing on a tiny handful of characters. I get they want to sell named characters but how they use them jetting all over the galaxy just rips up all their past ideas and lore that made the setting so interesting and unique. If they had the dune universe at this point they would have brought in super sarduka that had guns that pierced personal shields and had every battle headed by the same three guys.
Nearly every new addition to their background has actually reduced it in scope, grandeur and often horror as well. The best stab at the chaos gods in recent years wasn’t AoS reboot but the FFG chaos in the old world game.
2021/08/22 20:19:19
Subject: Warhammer+ - Hammer and Bolter: Old Bale Eye
That assumes they add anything new. Which I doubt. So far it seems GW's idea for the video side of the thing is "do what YT has been doing, but slap Nintendo Seal of Quality on it to show it's official". Maybe I'm wrong, but I expect them to just recap their own lore exactly like YT lore channels do, except with more official art since they have the copyright.
2021/08/22 20:37:51
Subject: Re:Warhammer+ - Hammer and Bolter: Old Bale Eye
I think the lore videos will sadly further kill the background of 40k. It was written as a sandbox with a mishmash of historical references by a bunch of history grads. The new background is ever more constraining and focusing on a tiny handful of characters. I get they want to sell named characters but how they use them jetting all over the galaxy just rips up all their past ideas and lore that made the setting so interesting and unique. If they had the dune universe at this point they would have brought in super sarduka that had guns that pierced personal shields and had every battle headed by the same three guys.
Nearly every new addition to their background has actually reduced it in scope, grandeur and often horror as well. The best stab at the chaos gods in recent years wasn’t AoS reboot but the FFG chaos in the old world game.
Yeah, I mostly agree. Though I have to say some of the new Necromunda books actually have good additions to the lore. All those weird guilds and stuff like that. Having the regular life of the imperium detailed that way is nice, and far more interesting that the superhero level most 40K lore seems to operate these days.
PetitionersCity wrote: So I had posted the following on B&C, as I feel it's only a quick google away to learn more about the animators and stop making judgements about skill, experience, etc.
Essentially, Farside is a subsidary/sister company of the decade-old Sun and Moon Studios, led by two experienced UK animators, Louis Jones and Dylan Shipley, with long histories including Aardman and other sector stalwarts. Their clients include BBC, SquareEnix, and others. Traditionally S&M did non-feature animations, but Farside seems to be focused on that, and possibly was founded for Hammer and Bolter, but also had some SquareEnix work under its umbrella.
Needless to say these aren't inexperienced professionals.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing.
2021/08/22 21:13:02
Subject: Warhammer+ - Hammer and Bolter: Old Bale Eye
CMLR wrote: Funny how everyone is using this as the only point of reference when we have Astarters II coming up.
Ok, you probably won't like hearing this, but Astartes 1 was a fairly dull sizzle reel. Its a _very_ good advertisement for getting the animator's skills noticed by a studio, but as a show or story, its a ball of nothing.
Astartes II is probably the least potentially interesting thing in the whole line up, and that's after seeing the low-budget corner cuts of Hammer and Bolter.
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2021/08/22 23:02:56
Subject: Warhammer+ - Hammer and Bolter: Old Bale Eye
CMLR wrote: Funny how everyone is using this as the only point of reference when we have Astarters II coming up.
Ok, you probably won't like hearing this, but Astartes 1 was a fairly dull sizzle reel. Its a _very_ good advertisement for getting the animator's skills noticed by a studio, but as a show or story, its a ball of nothing.
Astartes II is probably the least potentially interesting thing in the whole line up, and that's after seeing the low-budget corner cuts of Hammer and Bolter.
CMLR wrote: Funny how everyone is using this as the only point of reference when we have Astarters II coming up.
Ok, you probably won't like hearing this, but Astartes 1 was a fairly dull sizzle reel. Its a _very_ good advertisement for getting the animator's skills noticed by a studio, but as a show or story, its a ball of nothing.
Astartes II is probably the least potentially interesting thing in the whole line up, and that's after seeing the low-budget corner cuts of Hammer and Bolter.
Story wise, Astartes took a while to get going... but what it was, was a beautifully animated and scored piece of work that was possibly the first animation that really got the size and nature of Marines right. Something along that line would have been a much better advertisement for Warhammer+ than this half-hearted attempt was.
2021/08/22 23:59:01
Subject: Re:Warhammer+ - Hammer and Bolter: Old Bale Eye
The bale eye vid was an odd one. More like an animatic than a proper animation with some weird use of 3D that stuck out painfully. Perhaps it was originally going to be a comic book and they used some after effects to make it kinda an animation.
Still, it was reasonably fun. Would I pay for it? Eeeeh. Maybe i'd subscribe to a patreon supporting a solo artist making a fan passion project. A corporation pumping out product of this quality? Less so.
The killteam animation had me more hyped TBH. Can't quite quantify why though. Shorter and to the point? It wasn't running over a story we've been hearing since ghaz and yarrik were conceived? If this is the average quality of Warhammer+ i'm sad to say I won't be subscribing.
2021/08/23 00:18:23
Subject: Warhammer+ - Hammer and Bolter: Old Bale Eye
Love Death and Robots I think is the baseline here, and it felt live one of the lower ranked Season 1 episodes. I liked the concept (I'm watching a Warhammer+ show!) but yeah, I'm not going to sign up for the animation based on this - but I might have checked them out on another channel if I was already subscribed.
Have to see if it becomes an amazon prime thing, where the TV is part of the delivery service.,
2021/08/23 10:17:20
Subject: Warhammer+ - Hammer and Bolter: Old Bale Eye
Ok, you probably won't like hearing this, but Astartes 1 was a fairly dull sizzle reel. Its a _very_ good advertisement for getting the animator's skills noticed by a studio, but as a show or story, its a ball of nothing.
That is an interesting view, why do you think so. The media guys I know thought it was a excellent example of parred back storytelling. Minimal dialogue needed, captured a Sci Fi setting well, the lack of explanation enhanced its alien quality. A couple though it reminded them of a British, as opposed to US, comic strip. Something like the short one issue Judge Dredd stories.
2021/08/23 11:43:33
Subject: Warhammer+ - Hammer and Bolter: Old Bale Eye
Lore videos are honestly... whatever. They've been recycling the same old stuff for decades now. Listening to some rando read through material an order of magnitude slower than I can read it is just a turn off.
The rest of it has even less value.
and if THAT is all their lore video is, yeah it'll suck. as I said the one strength GW has in this is they make the lore. so they can literally reveal never before known factoids etc, something the youtube lore channels can't do. they can bring in authors etc and ask them questions that WILL get answers. if they lean into this power, they'll stand out (not eneugh to be worth subscribing all by itself mind you as those factoids will swiftly be regurgitated by the youtube lore channels) the quality of the videos will certainl be key.
That would be a horrible strategy. Warmahordes' lore suffered greatly due to several key elements being locked behind obscure sources. Putting them in random clips of videos? No thanks.
