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 alextroy wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yes, because so many of the supplements have been given extra kits.

Black Templars and Space Wolves are the only two that have gotten unique Primaris units. You do not want it to be a supplement.

If you want to be flanderized World Eaters that are all berserkers who don't use range weapons, you want to be Codex.

Well, if you're going to be World Eaters rather than Khornate dedicated Marines?

Yeah--you're probably going to see Berzerkers being the predominant thing...but that would also be accompanied by other actual units added in. C: Death Guard isn't "flanderized" by any stretch of the imagination...well, I guess you can stretch it but it's being disingenuous to call it such. I guess if your only experience with Death Guard is where it was "Throw a Mark of Nurgle on a thing", I can see the argument. But that's not what Death Guard are or were.

Bluntly though, Codex: World Eaters is going to be a boring book however it goes. Too much of the speculation/wishlisting is focused less upon the World Eaters as they are now and more appropriate for the World Eaters as they were pre-Kharn going all Betrayer.

If you want more than that, you hope to be a Supplement with actual model support, like Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, and soon to be Black Templars.

The model support for BA+DA is questionable. Wolves arguably got a decent bit of model support, since they actually got a unique unit like the Ultramarines did in the form of the Victrix Guard that comes packed with Calgar.

If you are unlucky on both points, you get to be Codex Supplement Iron Hands with exactly one Special Character and an upgrade sprue to tell the difference between you and 'vanilla' Chaos Space Marines along with a bunch of rules.

You really picked the wrong example, given that "March of the Ancients" is a far, far more unique Stratagem in that it allows for Dreadnought characters.

If you really wanted to make an argument for an "unlucky" codex supplement? Salamanders and Raven Guard should be the top of your list. Raven Guard even have the easiest of easy mode units to throw out there as a unique upgradeable thing since the Bolt Sniper Rifle that Eliminators run around with is literally named after their Chapter Master(whose input was used to design the bloody thing!).

And we want a WE army that is a weird mish-mash of standard CSM and WE?

Full Codex or bust.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Black Templars and Space Wolves are the only two that have gotten unique Primaris units. You do not want it to be a supplement.

Calling the Woof's unit "unique" is a bit of stretch, given that it's just using the random tiny doodads from the Space Wolf Primaris upgrade sprue on a unit of Reivers and calling it a unit.

And why do I get the feeling that "You do not want it to be a supplement" is just you taking the scenic route to eventually complain about your Raven Guard?

[EDIT]: Oh, just realised there was a new page and a new post. And there we have the Raven Guard being brought up.

I'm confident it will be a codex, not a supplement. All signs point to the former.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Bluntly though, Codex: World Eaters is going to be a boring book however it goes.

Far too early to claim anything of the sort.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Bluntly though, Codex: World Eaters is going to be a boring book however it goes. Too much of the speculation/wishlisting is focused less upon the World Eaters as they are now and more appropriate for the World Eaters as they were pre-Kharn going all Betrayer.

Exactly what do you mean? What of the speculation/wishlisting has been more "pre-Kharn the Betrayer" World Eaters?

I think we can look at the TS & DG codex for some inkling.

Typhus & Mortarian playing off/against eachother.
Ahriman & Magnus "making up" or whatever you call what they did.
So Kharn may/may not be just the betrayer and start doing the more Marshall aspects of Khorne and playing against Angron whose gone full kray-kray...

A WE book should be made for khorne fans.

People that plays khorne wants to play it as a fast (But not as fast as slaanesh, more durable, heavy armor and all that stuff), lethal army, with most of its damage done in the meele phase. I want bonus for killing, for dying, bonus agaisnt magic, rules about psychology, going berzerker, and if you throw aos-like blood priests I'll be even happier.

That doesnt mean theres no room for shooting, heck, the Skullcannon and the Lord of Skulls have plenty shooting but don't feel like "shooting" units.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

3. Some sort of elite style kit like the Deathshroud and Exalted Sorcerer kits.

The first thing that popped into my head when you said that were some sort of Berserker Elites on bikes or Juggernauts. Strangely though I'd also picture something similar for EC.

The only thing that worries me is that GW seem to be using the Heresy special units as template for the legion's later Chaos specialists. So while Rampagers in theory are the predecessor to Berserkers, I could imagine GW doing:
1. Berserkers
2. Red Butchers
3. Rampagers

And then adding something to either of the two to differentiate them (maybe some sort of mid/shortange firearm?). Similar to all the options that Plague and Rubric Marines got.

I have a sneaking suspicion Emperor's Children will get:
1. Noise Marines
2. Phoenix Terminators
3. Palatine Blades.

 Jack Flask wrote:
The first thing that popped into my head when you said that were some sort of Berserker Elites on bikes or Juggernauts. Strangely though I'd also picture something similar for EC.

Berzerkers on Juggers would be cool, in a way, but really I think Khornate bikers would be cooler.

 Jack Flask wrote:
The only thing that worries me is that GW seem to be using the Heresy special units as template for the legion's later Chaos specialists. So while Rampagers in theory are the predecessor to Berserkers, I could imagine GW doing:
1. Berserkers
2. Red Butchers
3. Rampagers

I thought about that mirroring thing, and I'm worried because Rampagers a kinda bland. They also look really derpy.

That said, seeing the evolution from 30k to 40k could be interesting, especially if they suddenly have jump packs.

 Jack Flask wrote:
I have a sneaking suspicion Emperor's Children will get:
1. Noise Marines
2. Phoenix Terminators
3. Palatine Blades.

I thought about that too and immediately went "No. Those names are far too heroic sounding for a Chaos force!", but then again, they do still call themselves the Emperor's Children.

Well, I think that they handled the whole "evolution from 30k to 40k" thing pretty well with Death Guard and Thousand Sons, so hopefully they'll do the same for World Eaters and Emperor's Children. I mean, c'mon, who doesn't want 40k Red Butchers. With paired chainfists.

I've been thinking: seeing how things went with TS and DG we can expect World Eaters to have some sort of "chaff" troop units alongside cultist. TS have Tzaangors and DG has Poxwalkers. Maybe Khorngors ?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Jack Flask wrote:
The first thing that popped into my head when you said that were some sort of Berserker Elites on bikes or Juggernauts. Strangely though I'd also picture something similar for EC.

Berzerkers on Juggers would be cool, in a way, but really I think Khornate bikers would be cooler.

I don't see a reason not to have both, honestly. For all intents and purposes, Space Wolves sort of have both, at least at one point in time or another.

I'd like to see all four types of Beastmen, plus regular Beastmen, make it into 40k.

So far we have Tzaangors. Long way to go yet.

Regular humans, but part of a a khorne death cult, in poses that mimic the running/leaping style of the rage virus from 28 days later, with basic weapons, most of them diy/home made like shiv's.

Allow Bezerkers to charge/counter charge/heroically intervene through them at a cost of mortal wounds to the death cultists to display the bezerkers lack of care for where the blood flows. (allowing you to screen your more elite elements and spring a trap)

There then could be a more elite unit of the death cult that get the good weapons and have obviously survived a few battles/wars. The priests etc.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Regular humans, but part of a a khorne death cult, in poses that mimic the running/leaping style of the rage virus from 28 days later, with basic weapons, most of them diy/home made like shiv's.

Allow Bezerkers to charge/counter charge/heroically intervene through them at a cost of mortal wounds to the death cultists to display the bezerkers lack of care for where the blood flows. (allowing you to screen your more elite elements and spring a trap)

There then could be a more elite unit of the death cult that get the good weapons and have obviously survived a few battles/wars. The priests etc.

Ooooh ! Yeah ! And they could have a special "grenade" type, stronger then krak and frag grenades (kind of like the GSC's demolition charges), that always deal a mortal wound back to the cultists. Basically an explosive belt. Blood for the blood god ! and all that !