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 Dawnbringer wrote:
Depends how you paint. If I'm painting the majority of a model in a single colour for a squad, I'm happy to do that then wander off and do something else for a couple hours before coming back to fill in details.

Same here. SpeedPaints has allowed me to approach batch painting like a form of Zen mediation so the 2 hour window is perfect for me. I'm got more done in the last 6 months than the 3 years prior. I would feel bad for all the people that this isn't good enough for but some of it comes of as hobby elitism.

I am looking forward to these since the biggest issue I have with contrast paints is they dry too fast. I have maybe a minute or two work with them before they are too dry . I like to wet blend and it's very hard with contrast paints.

 legionaires wrote:
I would feel bad for all the people that this isn't good enough for but some of it comes of as hobby elitism.

Oh please. "These people don't like the corporate product that I like therefore they're bad people!"

If you're in the market for these paints then mazel tov. Others aren't, especially if these are pushed as equivalent competition for contrast paints.

 legionaires wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:
Depends how you paint. If I'm painting the majority of a model in a single colour for a squad, I'm happy to do that then wander off and do something else for a couple hours before coming back to fill in details.

Same here. SpeedPaints has allowed me to approach batch painting like a form of Zen mediation so the 2 hour window is perfect for me. I'm got more done in the last 6 months than the 3 years prior. I would feel bad for all the people that this isn't good enough for but some of it comes of as hobby elitism.

That sounds well and good, and even fits what I'd like to consider my style of painting too. But sometimes, When the moon is right, the wife and kids all have their own things to do, I can sit for hours and try to knock out a huge amount of painting. In those times I don't want to be constrained by the product that's called a speed paint which hinders me getting a project done on my schedule. I don't have to wait 2 hours for my paints to not reactivate. I have not had that issue with Contrast paints, and when these are billed as just as good/better than GW, but have this huge disadvantage, then it's a bad product. It's called a speed paint, not a speed up and wait paint.

 kodos wrote:
from a technical point, a 14 day drying time down to 2 hours is a big improvement, given the problem was present on certain colours anyway
will definitely try some of the red/yellow ones this time as I am really happy with the greens and the only problematic ones was the Sand/light Orange which really needed 14 days until I could paint over it to correct mistakes (though I worked around for other models by using it last)

Sure, it's better than it was (that particular bar was pretty low!) but it's also not useful for speed painting units, nor working on individual models that you'd like to get finished in a reasonable timeframe...

depends on what you mean by speed painting

doing bulk painting with 20-40 models at a time 2 hours downtime for non-reactivation is not an issue, even over night is not a problem, you just use the problematic colours last (waiting several days is a problem)

this is not different to any washes or inks, apply them last until you make a break or go to bed, you just need to know which colours need it
while being able to remove the paint with water after 10/15 minutes is a bonus to correct mistakes, also with regular acrylics not only inks/washes (this is not something intentional here but still)

 legionaires wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:
Depends how you paint. If I'm painting the majority of a model in a single colour for a squad, I'm happy to do that then wander off and do something else for a couple hours before coming back to fill in details.

Same here. SpeedPaints has allowed me to approach batch painting like a form of Zen mediation so the 2 hour window is perfect for me. I'm got more done in the last 6 months than the 3 years prior. I would feel bad for all the people that this isn't good enough for but some of it comes of as hobby elitism.

Elitism to not want paint that slows your painting?-)

Shock horror not everybody want to paint slowly.

 kodos wrote:
depends on what you mean by speed painting

doing bulk painting with 20-40 models at a time 2 hours downtime for non-reactivation is not an issue, even over night is not a problem, you just use the problematic colours last (waiting several days is a problem)

this is not different to any washes or inks, apply them last until you make a break or go to bed, you just need to know which colours need it
while being able to remove the paint with water after 10/15 minutes is a bonus to correct mistakes, also with regular acrylics not only inks/washes (this is not something intentional here but still)

I have been batch painting units for ASOIAF, so generally 12 or 24 models at a time. I’m using the slap chop method, so I can knock out a full unit in under 2 hours if the three layer basecoat is done. Same sort of effect doing Blood Bowl teams as we have begun a league, so up to 16 models there using the same method. I am not an artist, but decent enough tabletop painter.

A two hour wait between colors would have killed my projects.

 Theophony wrote:
A two hour wait between colors would have killed my projects.

well, you would not paint that way with an ink/wash technique in the first place

just from this pic,looks like you are doing multi-layer on black base with classic acrylics, were as the method for speed paints (or ink/wash/contrast/whatever) is one colour and one layer per area on white base

just to be clear, the reactivation is an issue if you want to paint over an existing layer (for whatever reason) or work on areas were the colours would flow into each other, hence people who wanted to use Speedpaints as cheap alternative instead of Contrast for blending techniques had a big problem

so for example the banner background would be a single layer blue, same as the coats, and the first model would be dry by the time you are thru with all the of them to paint the weapons brown etc.

 kodos wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
A two hour wait between colors would have killed my projects.

well, you would not paint that way with an ink/wash technique in the first place

Snip, were as the method for speed paints (or ink/wash/contrast/whatever) is one colour and one layer per area on white base

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Mate with all due respect your making some damn big generalisations on diferent techniques... so cut the "this is how you should do it speech"
Inks, washes and contrasts are errr different things and applied differently and not all on white base

Speed paints take more time to dry than any other popular* counterparts or even general acrylics - its has simple as that so yeah lets not dwell too much into it.

* not talking about oils here

 kodos wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
A two hour wait between colors would have killed my projects.

well, you would not paint that way with an ink/wash technique in the first place

just from this pic,looks like you are doing multi-layer on black base with classic acrylics, were as the method for speed paints (or ink/wash/contrast/whatever) is one colour and one layer per area on white base

just to be clear, the reactivation is an issue if you want to paint over an existing layer (for whatever reason) or work on areas were the colours would flow into each other, hence people who wanted to use Speedpaints as cheap alternative instead of Contrast for blending techniques had a big problem

so for example the banner background would be a single layer blue, same as the coats, and the first model would be dry by the time you are thru with all the of them to paint the weapons brown etc.

I detailed how I did these models in my blog. Sprayed Black primer, Zenithal Grey primer, Drybrushed light grey (Longbeard grey). The rest is pure contrast paints. Like I said, I batch painted this whole unit in under 2 hours. I am not a skilled very neat painter as the faces and hair covered each other and colors from the cloak did cover areas of other colors. Reactivation in those areas would have been terrible.

one note is the bannerman was done separate from the 2 hours, but I had painted Victarion instead in the 12 man unit.

Places like the gorget on his chest had Aggros dunes applied and then a light coating of I believe skeleton horde on top of that to help darken the tones in parts. I know that is what the contrast paints are suppossed to do naturally, but I did the second layer to accentuate it even further and give more depth.

This is what my 12 year old made with the V1 speed paints (and AP Washes):



Reactivation was a problem on one of the Nightmares models (the orange top armour on the model in the middle) because he used Sand/Orange first and Light Green/Yellow later
On the tank, he used light Green/Yellow first and the Sand/Orange on top, no problem

I used the same Sand on the priest (as an experiment with zenithal priming and washes as another layer), needed to wait a week until I could make the hair because of the reactivation (why it is still white on the pic, hence next time hair first and body later), 2 hours waiting compared to that is not an issue

 NAVARRO wrote:

Speed paints take more time to dry than any other popular* counterparts or even general acrylics - its has simple as that so yeah lets not dwell too much into it.

* not talking about oils here

Oil paints, certain Washes, some Inks, some regular Acrylics, a lot of Primers etc

2 hours to be fully cured is not unusual

Vallejo Airbrush Primer takes 12 hours to be cured, you can work with it after 2 hours but need to be careful what you touch as you can simp rub it off the plastic

There is a difference between the time needed to workable and the time to be fully cured and 2 hours not unusual long or the longest time among all the paints
"Over night" would be a regular time

Talking about generalisation but than making one yourself
Cut it down to "the colours you use are cured in less than 2 hours", though I doubt you ever tested it if you acrylics can be removed with water and a brush after 2 hours

Kodos first you say all techniques are the same and applied the same way (white BG) and that a user here is doing it wrong...which is not an accurate review at all.
Now your putting oils, "certain paints" Which sure you can find enamels or those funky pigments special effects etc on the same plate...

We are talking Speed paints, waterbased, acrylic... and you know it. Stop putting the goal bar higher at each post and accept that even if your particular way of painting of waiting 2 hours for each coat, overnight, whatever, is fine for you but its not OK for a line called Speedpaints.

Not going any further because your not really listening at this point.

Painting with Speedpaints is all the same

If you use them for a different technique, and they don't work like a different colour that works for that technique, it is on how you use the colours and not how those were made

I can use a Vallejo Wash like an AP Speedpaint, but a GW Wash won't work that well if used that way (at least the ones I have)
Yet I won't say GW makes bad washes and that those are unusable

And simple saying that all regular colours used for miniature painting have a curing time of minutes and not hours is the biggest bs I have seen for a long time now

And the GW Red I used on the weekend could still be removed with water after 30 minutes, I know because I made a mistake and corrected it that way
But I guess this is just Citadel making bad colours as "real" paints don't react with water after minutes

There is a difference between it is not an issue and it is not happening at all

 kodos wrote:
Painting with Speedpaints is all the same

If you use them for a different technique, and they don't work like a different colour that works for that technique, it is on how you use the colours and not how those were made

The technique they "army painter" showed on the video was that the main goal for Speedpaints 2.0 was to apply paint on TOP of the speedpaint... and to do that was 2 hours.
It's not me sorry.

 legionaires wrote:
I would feel bad for all the people that this isn't good enough for but some of it comes of as hobby elitism.

If you're talking about me here, I do indeed have Hobby Elitism towards (standard) Warpaints and their "Army Painter Fans" since I've read so many times how important it is to so these people that the awful (standard warpaints) product is that little bit cheaper than paying fractionally more for a good product that you don't have to fight/works easily. On their expensive GW models.

So my Hobby Elitism is Notsomuch towards this product, which clearly just Is Not For Me if it takes 2 hours before you can paint over it before the pigment reactivates.

I still use the AP washes pretty much daily. I'm also not opposed to trying their Air range one day, though they're not easily accessable individually, and I'm pretty gun-shy of purchasing a full set through the post.

Kodos - a weird hill to choose to die on, mate. I use Vallejo Black Primer as my main black paint instead of whoeverer's regular hobby acrylics. Sure I can choose to rub it off if I make a mistake, but I can also work with and over it after letting it dry for just a minute or two. It's Apples and Oranges compared to discussing contrast-style paints and the reactivation issue/"feature" of these "Speed"paints.

A side-by-side comparison of Speedpaint 2.0, Contrast and Xpress Colors by Warhipster



Note that at the 23:08 mark, it looks like he did get reactivation from the metallic Speedpaint even after they were left for two hours to dry.

Thanks for sharing the video.

There's a few colours that I'll be picking up, their black, burgundy and dark red in particular look very nice. I'll mostly be sticking with Vallejo and Citadel for these types of paints though.

So, here is my review. Being one of the people who criticised the original Speedpaints' reactivation, I tried to keep it as unbiased & impartial as possible. Here are my thoughts:




Written version on my website, along with the hand-painted chart of the 49 colours from the Mega Set 2.0:
https://taleofpainters.com/2023/03/review-the-army-painter-speedpaint-2-0-finally-fixed/

Thanks for the review that settles it for me.

Always appreciate your written reviews!

Now, if only there was a one-coat paint that didn't use primer!

 ced1106 wrote:

Now, if only there was a one-coat paint that didn't use primer!

The holy grail of so many

 ced1106 wrote:
Always appreciate your written reviews!

Now, if only there was a one-coat paint that didn't use primer!

Cheers. Maybe that will be the next gen of one coat paints!

Great review, Stahly. Thank you. I may even consider picking up a few for specific use cases after viewing it.

So Speedpaint 2.0 are semi-reactivatable.

Your terms are acceptable.