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New teaser video posted by the Army Painter:






Looks an awful lot like they're launching their own version of Contrast.


Edit - new teaser pic on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheArmyPainter/photos/a.593881697363870/4372461992839136/





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New Contrast is always exciting but I hope it turns out better than Scele75's feeble attempt!

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Really excited for this.

Contrast is the staple painting method for me now (lets me paint the minis before I'm dead which is always nice).

AP version will be more affordable, looks like that red has good coverage unlike the weak Scale75 glazes, and having them in addition to GW's range will massively increase the colour variety.

Some of the GW contrast paints are better than others as well, it's weird how they made some really diluted, while others like cygor Brown are unusable without dilution with medium. So, perhaps there will be replacements for some of the duds in the GW line.

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Sweet, I'm waiting for a proper Contrast alternative for quite a while. Scale75 is just not vibrant enough from what I've seen.

 
   
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Eh, but Army Painters quality is so inconsistent and generally poor in my experience, it might as well not exist.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
New Contrast is always exciting but I hope it turns out better than Scele75's feeble attempt!

Out of genuine curiosity as someone who was eyeing a few up, what's wrong with S75's?
   
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My understanding is that the S75 contrast (instant colors iirc?) have a low pigment saturation, meaning the colors when applied and dried look washed out unless you build it up over multiple coats. IMO its purely a matter of personal preference, 40k gamers generally want high saturation because they want their minis to be painted with loud bright colors that really pop, etc. Scale 75s target audience is more aimed towards hobby painters (rather than gamers) who tend to paint towards more realistic and more muted tones, etc. so lower pigment saturation is preferable to them - and the fact that you can build up the intensity of the color with repeat application offers a higher level of sensitivity/control to really hit the exact looks that they are going for. As a result of the lower saturation, the shading on them isn't as intense either (again, need multiple coats to get there). I have heard some complain about "staining" too (i.e. it doesn't dry evenly and leaves splotches on parts of the mini), but I haven't witnessed that myself.

Basically, I think the issue is "different strokes for different folks" rather than a specific product issue.

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Scale75 instacolor are not bad, they are just different. They are much more subtle and I'd suggest viewing them as a different tool with similarities rather then a direct competitor. They are better for glazing IMO.

S75 normal paints are already extremely pigmented and matte, and their insta colors are meant to accompany those.

   
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S75 instacolor are not bad paints, but are bad for the application of trying to use them as a contrast replacement.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
My understanding is that the S75 contrast (instant colors iirc?) have a low pigment saturation, meaning the colors when applied and dried look washed out unless you build it up over multiple coats. IMO its purely a matter of personal preference, 40k gamers generally want high saturation because they want their minis to be painted with loud bright colors that really pop, etc. Scale 75s target audience is more aimed towards hobby painters (rather than gamers) who tend to paint towards more realistic and more muted tones, etc. so lower pigment saturation is preferable to them - and the fact that you can build up the intensity of the color with repeat application offers a higher level of sensitivity/control to really hit the exact looks that they are going for. As a result of the lower saturation, the shading on them isn't as intense either (again, need multiple coats to get there). I have heard some complain about "staining" too (i.e. it doesn't dry evenly and leaves splotches on parts of the mini), but I haven't witnessed that myself.

Basically, I think the issue is "different strokes for different folks" rather than a specific product issue.

Good to know, thanks for the explanation. As somebody who's gripe with Contrast was how 'bubblegummy' they looked the InstaColours does seem far more up my alley.
   
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S75 Instant Colors are great for layering up, especially when diluted with their mix. Work well with contrast paints too.
 Red Corsair wrote:
Scale75 instacolor are not bad, they are just different. They are much more subtle and I'd suggest viewing them as a different tool with similarities rather then a direct competitor. They are better for glazing IMO.

S75 normal paints are already extremely pigmented and matte, and their insta colors are meant to accompany those.


Pretty much these. You can think of them as pre-made glazes that you can use in different ways. I tend to do a diluted base coat of an instant paint or contrast (using the instant paint medium), dry brush white (or other bright color) then out of the pot layer of instant paint (rarely contrast here as they're quite strong).

These were all done this way:


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This is a mix of instant colors and contrast paint (diluted down with the instant paint thinner for a base coat).
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In the end you probably pay more "per unit of pigment" for Scale75 Instants than you do for Contrast as it's that watered down. Get Contrast and thin it if you want to layer.

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I will say.
For highly textured models, a zenithal prime and contrast paints are pretty good.

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I've been brushing on colored primers, followed by washes, for tabletop. Think contrast paints will work? AP wash colors are limited, so I'm thinking of contrast paints for other colors I'm missing?

Too bad there's still no paint that gets rid of pesky mold lines!

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Credit goes to Goobertown for his Contrast paint mix!

Half acrylic ink
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A little flow aid

And, yes, you can add water to it and use it as a wash. See Les Bursley's wash. 
   
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 lord_blackfang wrote:
New Contrast is always exciting but I hope it turns out better than Scele75's feeble attempt!


I very much regret going all-in on that Kickstarter. Its not an unusable product and eventually I will use it up, but it isn't remotely as advertised, and is just some of the weirdest consistency paint I own instead of being Contrast adjacent.

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 ced1106 wrote:
I've been brushing on colored primers, followed by washes, for tabletop. Think contrast paints will work? AP wash colors are limited, so I'm thinking of contrast paints for other colors I'm missing?


Contrast can work very well over basecoats/primers.

the models below without the weapon are pre-painted O Scale figures for train layouts. I just did a quick dry brush of white then used contrast or instant paints and did some quick touchups for highlights on the skin. All the skin was contrast as instant paint really doesn't have anything that I like for that. All in all maybe10 min per figure just because I wanted to touch up the skin, probably be 3-5 if I didn't bother doing that.



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 ced1106 wrote:
I've been brushing on colored primers, followed by washes, for tabletop. Think contrast paints will work? AP wash colors are limited, so I'm thinking of contrast paints for other colors I'm missing?

Too bad there's still no paint that gets rid of pesky mold lines!

YES!!!
use like a white(OR more preferably, an offwhite) and then use constrast. They work better on textured models.
IF you want really good, zenithal prime and then do it!!!

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Product reveal video is up. 23 colours, look pretty close to their GW counterparts. If these are priced like regular The Army Painter paints, then they'll be less than half the price of Contrast paints!

 
   
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Looks like some pretty good saturated colors to me.

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Brilliant. I'm all over that mega set the second it's up for sale.
   
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It was only a matter of time before Army Painter did their version of Contrast paints.

Looking forward to seeing how these shape up, and more importantly just how big a price difference they have.

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I'm interested in that near white one on the right, second row. GW's is more of a cool blue gray and this looks to be a warm color.
   
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Screen cap of the sets I’m surprised there aren’t more flesh tones I’m sure give them a try at some point

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The Hardened Leather or Dark Wood could easily double as flesh tones for darker skin, and they also have a Flesh Wash and their various brown Tones in their current range for more skin options.

If they're launching as a smaller range, it's probably preferable to get as many colour options in there as possible, particularly since that's where their current range of inks is lacking.



Definitely excited to try these out.

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 stonehorse wrote:
It was only a matter of time before Army Painter did their version of Contrast paints.

Looking forward to seeing how these shape up, and more importantly just how big a price difference they have.


Yeah GW sort of stole a march on everyone with contrast, and contrast has become VERY popular in some circles so I expect this won't be the first "knock off" we see. I'd not be suprised to see Vallejo do it's own version of it too

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BrianDavion wrote:
 stonehorse wrote:
It was only a matter of time before Army Painter did their version of Contrast paints.

Looking forward to seeing how these shape up, and more importantly just how big a price difference they have.


Yeah GW sort of stole a march on everyone with contrast, and contrast has become VERY popular in some circles so I expect this won't be the first "knock off" we see. I'd not be suprised to see Vallejo do it's own version of it too


To be honest I would expect to see Army Painter coming up with contrast paints before GW did since Army Painter range started with the easy approach to painting of dipping the miniatures.

   
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Yeah GW sort of stole a march on everyone with contrast, and contrast has become VERY popular in some circles so I expect this won't be the first "knock off" we see.

It's not, Scale75 already did theirs a year ago.

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BrianDavion wrote:
 stonehorse wrote:
It was only a matter of time before Army Painter did their version of Contrast paints.

Looking forward to seeing how these shape up, and more importantly just how big a price difference they have.


Yeah GW sort of stole a march on everyone with contrast, and contrast has become VERY popular in some circles so I expect this won't be the first "knock off" we see. I'd not be suprised to see Vallejo do it's own version of it too


GW basically just knocked off the idea of inks and refined them a bit so they were more usable out of the bottle. People had been using P3's and Vallejo's inks like contrasts for years prior.
   
 
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