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 Overread wrote:

I believe that Warhammer Day and some other events have had panels and such, but in person; however the UK situation is still, on iffy grounds for such things so I can appreciate if GW didn't want to run one in the UK at this point.

Goodness knows it's impossible to put up some images and have someone talk over them online...

but yes, basically 90% of Warhammer Community videos are just very long commercials.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


It was a damned weird preview. 45m in and they'd only shown off 3 minis. AoS got exactly one mini reveal.

What's wrong with them over there?

Maybe they're expanding the Warhammer+ content model?

AoS had two warbands added to it through Warcry - those count as new Slaves to Darkness models. With a mild hope that maybe the Dark Oath will kick out the Marauder models finally.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
AoS got exactly one mini reveal.

Well, when something new comes out I don't watch at the logo but for its uses.

AoS
*1 Nurgle Sorcerer
*10 muscle Marauders
*10 Spider Marauders
*1 Maneater
*2 Gnoblars
*1 monkey assassine
*1 parrot
*cool terrain

I don't play any WHF games, so my look on those I play:

40k
*1 Custodes
*1 Xenos terrorist
*1 Nurgle cultist/poxwalker leader (yes, poxwalkers have no leader... would look cool in a unit nonetheless)
*evil Jokaero

Necromunda
*1 Hybrid Acolyte with Demolition charges
*1 Nurgle Demagogue/Witch
*10 Spider cultists from the swamp
*3 bases with Spiders

With this point of view, I'm not really disappointed.

 Overread wrote:
AoS had two warbands added to it through Warcry...

Don't do that. You know what I meant. AoS got a preview of exactly one model and a book.

Yes but its been proven that the new Warbands in Warcry are just viable models in AoS proper. Granted so far most are in Slaves to Darkness and Daughters of Khaine have 1 unit that makes use of it. Though I'd hope we might see more for other forces slowly in time. I'm actually surprised they've kept on focusing on the Slaves because they are already a little bloated with marauder equivalents.


But still I'm used to there being rises and falls in terms of how many new models are released. Right now it looks like we've gone from a 2 system to a 3 system dynamic for core products (ego excluding the Licenced Lord of the Rings).

Age of Sigmar
40K
Specialist games


The last block can be a bit more muted and often slots in around the other two; but in general I'd say this last preview was basically a lions share to Specialist games. Same as how sometimes AoS is getting all the models and 40K justgets a book; or vis-versa.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
AoS had two warbands added to it through Warcry...

Don't do that. You know what I meant. AoS got a preview of exactly one model and a book.

Overread's perspective is is actually how it is though. Warcry and Underworlds models are AOS models. Sure, their AOS scrolls are sometimes bit wonky, but they're still usable. And at least the Darkoath are also perfectly usable as normal marauders, if it turns out their bespoke scroll is weird.

 Crimson wrote:
Overread's perspective is is actually how it is though.

It's a nice big "Well ackshually!" moment, and he damn-well knows it. He's just making excuses.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Overread's perspective is is actually how it is though.

It's a nice big "Well ackshually!" moment, and he damn-well knows it. He's just making excuses.

And you're again inventing grievances.

How many models that you can use in AOS, which will get AOS warscrolls did they announce? Because that was quite a bit more than one. This is not for conversions or counts-as, they're legit AOS models just like the new Sister Novitiates and Krieg guradsmen for Kill Team are also legit 40K models. That the models can be used in several systems is better!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
AoS had two warbands added to it through Warcry...

Don't do that. You know what I meant. AoS got a preview of exactly one model and a book.

Well if you want to shut your eyes to facts feel free.

There was more than 1 models you can use for AOS. If you want to be dishonest and claim otherwise...well you get reputation for being dishonest Guess you don't care about your reputation? Weird but whatever. Your loss.

tneva82 wrote:
If you want to be dishonest and claim otherwise

I'm not the one being dishonest, tneva (a word you continue to misuse, but whatever).

The preview, such as it was, was broken up into several sections. The AoS section contained a single mini and a single book. Just because you can use War Cry (and, eventually, Underworlds) minis in AoS doesn't change the fact that the AoS section had a single mini reveal.

That's the criticism. That Warhammer Day was, like so, so, so many other things GW does, a massive waste of potential. They could have really made a celebration of Warhammer and actually shown off something big for AoS, but they chose a single mini, and a single book. They spent more time spruiking Warhammer+ than they did showing anything for any one game system.

tneva82 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
AoS had two warbands added to it through Warcry...

Don't do that. You know what I meant. AoS got a preview of exactly one model and a book.

Well if you want to shut your eyes to facts feel free.

There was more than 1 models you can use for AOS. If you want to be dishonest and claim otherwise...well you get reputation for being dishonest Guess you don't care about your reputation? Weird but whatever. Your loss.

I think that the point is when you hear "Warhammer DAY" you tend to think of the following exaggerated example.

Warhammer DAY and what it COULD be:

40K:

Custodes/GSC Box + 2 Codexes
New Primarch/Old popular character gets a new model release for Christmas
Codex Tau, Codex Blood Angels, Codex Craftworlds all coming Q1 2022

AOS:
Battletome Nurgle + Model
Battletome Khorne + Model
Q2 2022 New Faction "Nounnoun, Nounnouns" Prieview model (Noun Nounnoun)


Horus Heresy
Book X + Khan

BloodBowl
Necromunda
Adeptus Titanicus
AI
New Game IP (BFG, etc)



We wanted meat in our soup, not just salted water with three models and three books in it for the two major IPs that company owns. I mean this is the second time they've done this now, ensuring that in the future I will not waste any time with "Warhammer Day" because it's clearly just warhammer 30 minute edition.

Was I dissapointed by the previews? A little. But it's an online video free to watch with a summary an hour later. But it helps not to have huge expectations going in, and then getting dissapointed that it was not everything you imagined.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
AoS had two warbands added to it through Warcry...

Don't do that. You know what I meant. AoS got a preview of exactly one model and a book.

I'm with the others.

As far as I'm concerned warcry and shadesspire stuff are just subheadings of AOS, irrespective of how GW may show the during previews etc.

Indeed I was immediately looking at the new barbarian stuff to see how to include in my current AOS project. Less interested in the spider guys, at least for now. Also I have no interest in the Nurgle stuff. So for me the Warcry band was the most interesting part of what was previewed for AOS.

Same with the warcry terrain, that just gets lumped under AOS terrain in my mind, in the same way as kill team terrain gets lumped under 40k terrain.

It may be that you do not see them as AOS stuff, and that is your prerogative, but that doesn't mean others don't.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
If you want to be dishonest and claim otherwise

I'm not the one being dishonest, tneva (a word you continue to misuse, but whatever).

The preview, such as it was, was broken up into several sections. The AoS section contained a single mini and a single book. Just because you can use War Cry (and, eventually, Underworlds) minis in AoS doesn't change the fact that the AoS section had a single mini reveal.

That's the criticism. That Warhammer Day was, like so, so, so many other things GW does, a massive waste of potential. They could have really made a celebration of Warhammer and actually shown off something big for AoS, but they chose a single mini, and a single book. They spent more time spruiking Warhammer+ than they did showing anything for any one game system.

As I've noted elsewhere, Warhammer Day is a fixed date in the book which isn't linked to production.
What we get on any of the GW reveal events is what's in the production pipeline. Sure GW makes efforts to have some key events happen on key dates - eg the last two years we've had massive new editions in the middle of the year. Which GW amazingly actually met both times during the Pandemic - but its clear they didn't even go fully to plan when new armies and new forces spent months waiting for new battletomes/codex in both cases. I'm sure GW would love to have had more stuff for Warhammer Day, but it is what it is. Chances are they couldn't just put a huge release on because the production isn't ready for it.

It's just another marketing day focus for them to have a bigger than normal launch of things. That they are pushing out several things already further shows that GW, like a lot of firms, is playing things close because the ability to predict and plan far off is likely hampered right now. Shipping is a minefield of rising costs and delays; Corona throws its head up in random spots likely shutting down warehouses and staff teams causing further delays when there are outbreaks; lockdowns are always a risk which might slow things in industry (it seems we've reached a point where it slows rather than outright stops); but will often then spike demand at the same time.


I think some people just get too wrapped up in the marketing hype for these things and keep wholesale believing in the "best ever" and "big release" stuff to the point where if GW isn't launching at least one or two full army revamps, its a dud/waste.




Also don't forget its not like the end of the Kirby days where we might get 1 news event in the year and then absolutely nothing for the rest of the year. In general we know the next 3 months or so of releases at any one time and GW has loads more events and slots where they reveal things. Sometimes so close together that they fall over each other and one is "dull" only to be followed in a few weeks by a massive one. Or several in a row just get a massive dump spread out. The information is far more frequent than it was, but that does mean that individual events can be smaller.

I like to think the grievances over the preview are down to them seemingly limiting previews to items due for release in 2021, or that already announced in some capacity.

Given we're in November basically by the date of the preview and they historically do few big releases near Christmas, they maybe should have bit the bullet and showed us some meatier content from 2022.

They'll be aware of the leaked schedule, it wouldn't kill them to show us a couple of new chaos models, or maybe something from the next big sigmar release to whet an appetite for 2022.

 Dryaktylus wrote:
*1 Xenos terrorist

Slander! Propaganda! Kaboom Girl is a freedom fighter!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
If you want to be dishonest and claim otherwise

I'm not the one being dishonest, tneva (a word you continue to misuse, but whatever).

The preview, such as it was, was broken up into several sections. The AoS section contained a single mini and a single book. Just because you can use War Cry (and, eventually, Underworlds) minis in AoS doesn't change the fact that the AoS section had a single mini reveal.

That's the criticism. That Warhammer Day was, like so, so, so many other things GW does, a massive waste of potential. They could have really made a celebration of Warhammer and actually shown off something big for AoS, but they chose a single mini, and a single book. They spent more time spruiking Warhammer+ than they did showing anything for any one game system.

No offense, but if you want to criticize GW for inventing an event day and marketing it as the biggest thing ever only to fill it with mediocrity at best, why don't you just do that? I'm sure a lot of us agree with that assessment.

The fact is that Warcry Chaos warbands are dual use miniatures and the ones that were already released at the time got warscrolls right in the new Slaves to Darkness battletome, making them as offical a part of the army as any other unit in the battletome, not as alternate models for Marauders (you can obviously still use them like that if you so please) but with bespoke rules accounting for their box contents and equipment options. While it has yet to happen to the later warbands, the initial warbands were released in genuine AoS and Slaves to Darkness labeled boxes with doubled sprue count in addition to their original run of Warcry boxes with one copy of the sprues and card packs with their rules included. What is a section header in a marketing video in the face of that?

I look forward to other companies Warhammer day, featuring miniatures that aren’t AoS miniatures, but that can be used in AoS, technically making them AoS releases.

30 euros.

Well, the "result" of that end preview was as lame as expected

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 xttz wrote:
So it turns out that out of nowhere Octarius II is up for preorder next week.

That pretty much took everyone by surprise, I'd think.

And the Warcry box is up for pre-order next week as well. That was fast. They spent more time hyping up Cursed City!

 xttz wrote:
Weird that they didn't mention that yesterday, and the Tau codex was announced in a random separate article mid-week instead.

And never mentioned again...

It was a damned weird preview. 45m in and they'd only shown off 3 minis. AoS got exactly one mini reveal.

What's wrong with them over there?

Their schedule is completely out of whack and they keep scrambling to stitch whatever they can get done in time together?

 Ordana wrote:
Their schedule is completely out of whack and they keep scrambling to stitch whatever they can get done in time together?

Probably this - the AoS Sigmar Dragons are still not out, Red Harvest is up for pre-order a week after it's main preview, War Zone Octarius Book 2: Critical Mass didn't get a preview, they still haven't said anything about the rumoured/leaked HH box...

They could probably help that schedule issue if they where willing to talk about the future a bit more.

They seemed to be caught off guard with the questions about if sisters of silence could run a army.
Like, it’s a bit funny honestly.

Apple fox wrote:
They could probably help that schedule issue if they where willing to talk about the future a bit more.

They seemed to be caught off guard with the questions about if sisters of silence could run a army.
Like, it’s a bit funny honestly.

They can't talk about the future because they have no idea when they will be able to get books and kits to customers.

 Ordana wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
They could probably help that schedule issue if they where willing to talk about the future a bit more.

They seemed to be caught off guard with the questions about if sisters of silence could run a army.
Like, it’s a bit funny honestly.

They can't talk about the future because they have no idea when they will be able to get books and kits to customers.

And they of course can't say that, because of the Shareholders.

 Ordana wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
They could probably help that schedule issue if they where willing to talk about the future a bit more.

They seemed to be caught off guard with the questions about if sisters of silence could run a army.
Like, it’s a bit funny honestly.

They can't talk about the future because they have no idea when they will be able to get books and kits to customers.

They don't need to know when they're hitting the shelves exactly to preview a mini. Likewise they could easily have dropped that the warcry box was coming up for preorder in the preview, but didn't for some reason.

My one issue with counting Warcry and Underworlds releases as AoS ones is down to history of them, rather than principle. Mainly, 99% of those games' figures when ported over to AoS proper are just not worth fielding. Like, at all, even in the most laid back of environments. So sure, we might get a new ogre model, but it's almost certainly going to be pants in-game. It'd be better to just say it's a plastic Maneater and the animals are just not usable in AoS proper.
Just like it'd be better to brand every single of those Warcry chaos warbands as marauders instead of having 5 or 6 almost-marauders with barely usable rules that technically can't be used for marauders cause they have their own warscrolls. Having them as proxies would be better than having them as actual units in AoS.

Apple fox wrote:
They could probably help that schedule issue if they where willing to talk about the future a bit more.

They seemed to be caught off guard with the questions about if sisters of silence could run a army.
Like, it’s a bit funny honestly.

When it comes to previews GW plays it close so that when they announce something its basically already in the bag coming. That way what they preview is as close to a guarantee as they can get and often within a "reasonable" time frame. And yet even so they have issues - the new dragons for example; or go back a few years and the phyrr cats for Necromunda were previewed and then vanished without a word for ages.


The point is GW tries to at least keep most things pretty solid. That way their marketing gets a positive reaction.



The opposite would be something like Spartan Games used to be where they'd preview ideas and concepts sometimes years in advance, with no timeframes and often ending up missing their own deadlines on when things were going to come out. IT bred a lot of frustration because the news sounded great, but then might never come or come so far off that you'd forgotten about it.



Basically a keystone of marketing is being reliable. GW's marketing is generally that (esp outside of the last 2 years where things outside of their control have caused problems); which means when you see something you know you're going to get it. The only real weak point is often Forgeworld stuff where preveiws can come early and then take forever or never appear.


Sure GW could show us stuff for the next 3 years, then they'd have a great preview. And nothing new to show for the next 2 years. Plus there'd be loads of "sorry this is delayed; sorry this didn't work; sorry we dropped that;" or just silence and random things that sounded cool never appear.

There are definitely some odd choices about what wasn't mentioned, that's for sure...

- Not mentioning that Red Harvest would be up for pre-order next week at the end of the Warcry section seems like a missed hype opportunity
- Not mentioning the Charadon Pt. 2 books at all seems odd, especially when they were going up for pre-order next week
- While I can understand not wanting to show any model releases, given it was mentioned in an article earlier in the week, they could've shown off the cover for Codex: Tau as a teaser
- Doing the whole "something festive" thing on Saturday only to show a model on Monday (subject to the image zamerion posted cropping up officially today) is an odd choice - it'd've been one more thing to bulk out the reveals, at least.

+ + +

Quick unrelated question about the Khan, while I'm thinking about it - is there a mounted profile for him, as well as this on foot version? My mind's eye expected him to be on a bike or jetbike, not on foot you see.

I do sometimes wonder if GW's marketing department ever gets reliable/regular info from the department in charge of releases. I do agree sometimes they seem to shoot themselves in the foot or just not announce something.

Then again perhaps it was simply so that Sunday's news had actual news in it that was new information. Part of GW's strategy might be breaking up the news so that each slot has fresh information so that you're encouraged to keep up with the site every day.