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Man, a form of Open Play that would actually allow me to play games of 40k with folks who only get a game in every couple of months/people who dont know the game....that would be, you know, easier?

That'd be the dream.

Most of my free form feedback was on how hard it is to bring in new players and make them stick around. Rules complexity, lack of guidance on building your force, price pressures on new players (hard for those who are not themselves well set or with well set parents to get in), etc. I've seen a lot of RPG and boardgame companies make initiatives to bring in new folks, but not seeing it from GW (or not effectively done)

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
They really took the wind out of the sails of the “keep politics out of my hobby” crowd by openly denying the existence of Covid and lockdowns, and shutting down anyone who practices social distancing. Can’t wait to see how this plays out.

Just redo the survey and pick 1 year or w/e. There isn't anything GW can do about COVID.

Acknowledging it as a reason for not playing over the last 18-24 months doesn't seem an unreasonable accommodation, though.

There is no Covid in Ba-Sing-Se.

Commisar Marbh wrote:
Most of my free form feedback was on how hard it is to bring in new players and make them stick around. Rules complexity, lack of guidance on building your force, price pressures on new players (hard for those who are not themselves well set or with well set parents to get in), etc. I've seen a lot of RPG and boardgame companies make initiatives to bring in new folks, but not seeing it from GW (or not effectively done)

I think Kill Team is effectively this, but whoever theyve got on their 40k team really, REALLY likes making these huge enormous mind-numbing wall of words lists for their rules.

Like this is supposed to be your friggin intro game, GW?

Your kill team can include 2 fire teams
your kill team can include either a skitarii maniple fire team or a sicarian clade fire team
if you include 2 sicarian clade fire teams one operative must be a sicarian leader operative or a sicarian ruststalker leader operative with a flechette blaster and power sword OR a stubmaster 9000 and electric cheese grater
if you include 2 skitarii maniple fire teams then you get an EXTRA leader operative who must be a skitarii ranger alpha or skitarii vanguard alpha with two of the following weapons: (Long parenthetical list)
one of your sicarians may be a sicarian warmaster
one of your sicarians may be a sicarian toasterstriker
one of your sicarians may be a sicarian huntleader
one of your skitarii may be a skitarii dogilius
one of your skitarii may be a skitarii shlaxamor
one of your skitarii may be a skitarii gunner with transyouranus arcklebark
one of your sktitarii may be a skitarii gunner with plasmic slamser
one of your skitarii may be a skitarii gunner with arc blaster
you MAY NOT NOT NOT INCLUDE GREATER THAN OR EQUAL TO ONE GUNNER WITH THE SAME OR DIFFERENT WEAPONRY IN BATTLEFORGED FIRE TEAMS


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I have a creeping feeling that whoever The Mad Namesmith at GW works on the team that designs the unit selection rules.

They certainly had a time when codex had a lot of options but were written in a simple manner. Then they seemed to go nuts for several editions - breaking up the information has long been a problem (its a bit better now); flipping through 3 or 4 pages in the book for each model for points, abilities, weapon options and the core unit stats is a pain.

Granted it likely makes it easier to update with an errata, but at the same time having more info on each unit page AS WELL as summary tables (points, weapons etc...) makes things much easier when flipping between two or three units to compare and make choices.

I like how I couldn't be both 'living at home' and 'living alone'...

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I like how I couldn't be both 'living at home' and 'living alone'...

Even funnier that I can’t live at home and be raising kids!

Dudeface wrote:

Voss wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Waaaghbert wrote:
What's up with this "if you haven't played in the last two years you not entitled to have an opinion" crowd going wild here?

You like 40k and have played in the last 2 years? cool, enjoy it give your feedback and continue. I tried 8th didn't enjoy it and would love to have the opportunity to say why. My opinion is not suddenly "worthless"

Let's reword the scope of the survey:

"Please provide feedback based on your games of 9th edition, to help shape improvements to the game and the next edition"

'Improvements to the game and next edition' aren't improved by shutting people's previous experience out.
Or even the things they'd like to see.

If you haven't played 9th, you have no real world experience of the current game to provide feedback with, it's really not unreasonable. I understand what you're saying but they likely didn't want to open it up to a horde of needless salty whiners who haven't bought or played anything in a decade.

Excuse me? The link to the survey even says

Whether you’re a new gamer, you’ve been playing since boxed sets came with a cardboard Dreadnought, or are a lapsed fan of the 41st Millennium, [b]we want your opinions. What do you love about Warhammer 40,000? What would you like to see changed?

If the survey then kicks you haven’t played 9th, that’s a bunch of BS.

Luckily, I must have answered I played more recently (it didn’t ask if it was specifically 9th I played anyways), so I gave them both barrels, reloaded and hit them again. I’ve got several thousand dollars worth of 40K I’d like to use - a fair bit bought during 8E, but no desire to play the current version nor do I like the path they’ve chosen. Personally, I’d like to roll back to the 8E indexes and have them take the other path towards less complexity/power creep and instead working on balance and fixing rule hiccups.

 the_scotsman wrote:
yeah probably.

But hey, maybe if we get them to make the game a little better because of it itll be a win win.

I do like to think that at least a little bit of the dip was caused by people who built armies during lockdown actually cracking open a rulebook and going

"wait...

....what? Doctrina...whats? What is a "logos." how do I....canticles? OK, this guy gives me a "stratagem" for free so what's a *flips page* Ohhhhh, oh no...."

This survey has absolutely nothing to do with stock. GW hasn't released any half year or full year report. The stock is primarily owned by rich people who expect a dividend and COVID and Brexit messes with that.

I found it odd that they didn't have an option for 1500 on ideal playing level. Across most any edition I have played that is my preferred point level. I guess it has to do with their specific tiering system tieing CP and such to 1k and 2k specifically, but just seems like an odd oversight.

On my freeform bit I just said I felt the game was simultaneously too simple and too complex, what with poor morale rules, no ability to pin foes down, flank them, or really interact beyond "kill them" while at the exact same time having wombo combos of stratagems and buffs and subfactions that can be layered onto each other to create what to a new player or outsider to be an unintuitive wrecking ball. I then went on to mention how I disliked the way line of sight/true line of sight works and how terrain is still not in a great place, mentioned that the game is just too lethal on the whole, and that I'd like a return to Universal Special Rules over having what is similarly worded (or sometimes the exact same wording) rules under different names across units and codices (I believe the example I used to highlight it was Duty Eternal and Disgustingly Resilient and how they could easily just be called "Damage Reduction X").

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I like how I couldn't be both 'living at home' and 'living alone'...

In the US at least, the phrase 'living at home' usually means 'living with your parents'.

 gorgon wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I like how I couldn't be both 'living at home' and 'living alone'...

In the US at least, the phrase 'living at home' usually means 'living with your parents'.

Yea, but GW's Bri'ish, innit mate.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 the_scotsman wrote:
yeah probably.

But hey, maybe if we get them to make the game a little better because of it itll be a win win.

I do like to think that at least a little bit of the dip was caused by people who built armies during lockdown actually cracking open a rulebook and going

"wait...

....what? Doctrina...whats? What is a "logos." how do I....canticles? OK, this guy gives me a "stratagem" for free so what's a *flips page* Ohhhhh, oh no...."

This survey has absolutely nothing to do with stock. GW hasn't released any half year or full year report. The stock is primarily owned by rich people who expect a dividend and COVID and Brexit messes with that.

I think it makes more sense that the financial analysts at the large entities holding most of the GW stock are all in agreement that GW 'needz moar better rulez' and are therefore dumping most of their clients' positions.



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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I like how I couldn't be both 'living at home' and 'living alone'...

In the US at least, the phrase 'living at home' usually means 'living with your parents'.

Yea, but GW's Bri'ish, innit mate.

That has nothing to do with my comment. I just explained what's meant by that phrase. If this is a source of outrage for you, you should start a online petition or something I guess.

I laughed so hard. Man, the first question, "when was the last time you played 40K". And then they proceed to ask about the current game modes.
I just ended up calling it yugioh.

Dudeface wrote:

Voss wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Waaaghbert wrote:
What's up with this "if you haven't played in the last two years you not entitled to have an opinion" crowd going wild here?

You like 40k and have played in the last 2 years? cool, enjoy it give your feedback and continue. I tried 8th didn't enjoy it and would love to have the opportunity to say why. My opinion is not suddenly "worthless"

Let's reword the scope of the survey:

"Please provide feedback based on your games of 9th edition, to help shape improvements to the game and the next edition"

'Improvements to the game and next edition' aren't improved by shutting people's previous experience out.
Or even the things they'd like to see.

If you haven't played 9th, you have no real world experience of the current game to provide feedback with, it's really not unreasonable. I understand what you're saying but they likely didn't want to open it up to a horde of needless salty whiners who haven't bought or played anything in a decade.

One does not need to eat dog gak to know it will taste bad.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 the_scotsman wrote:
yeah probably.

But hey, maybe if we get them to make the game a little better because of it itll be a win win.

I do like to think that at least a little bit of the dip was caused by people who built armies during lockdown actually cracking open a rulebook and going

"wait...

....what? Doctrina...whats? What is a "logos." how do I....canticles? OK, this guy gives me a "stratagem" for free so what's a *flips page* Ohhhhh, oh no...."

This survey has absolutely nothing to do with stock. GW hasn't released any half year or full year report. The stock is primarily owned by rich people who expect a dividend and COVID and Brexit messes with that.

Lolwut? Of course GW is concerned about stock; this is the first (okay, looking at the graph, second) significant contraction since we got nuGW, I guarantee that's a hot topic right now (regardless of the timing of a report). And naturally a survey would be a good place to get some insights into how a decline might be reversed.

Also c'mon, "primarily owned by rich people who expect a dividend", gimme a break. Yes, rich people own stocks. Regular average Joes do too. You've got a 401k, right? You own stock then. Additionally, dividend aristocrat stocks are often owned by pension funds and the like. Most dividend stocks don't rocket up like GW's did either, so it's not like that's how rich people got rich; it's just a relatively secure, conservative place to park your money.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Voss wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Waaaghbert wrote:
What's up with this "if you haven't played in the last two years you not entitled to have an opinion" crowd going wild here?

You like 40k and have played in the last 2 years? cool, enjoy it give your feedback and continue. I tried 8th didn't enjoy it and would love to have the opportunity to say why. My opinion is not suddenly "worthless"

Let's reword the scope of the survey:

"Please provide feedback based on your games of 9th edition, to help shape improvements to the game and the next edition"

'Improvements to the game and next edition' aren't improved by shutting people's previous experience out.
Or even the things they'd like to see.

If you haven't played 9th, you have no real world experience of the current game to provide feedback with, it's really not unreasonable. I understand what you're saying but they likely didn't want to open it up to a horde of needless salty whiners who haven't bought or played anything in a decade.

One does not need to eat dog gak to know it will taste bad.

One cannot comment how to best season or improve the dog gak without first tasting it.

You know what they could have curtailed all this with a "your games gak and I won't play it" option at the start, it could redirect to a "please tell us why you think it's worthless trash" and then end and all gripes are resolved.

Dudeface wrote:
One cannot comment how to best season or improve the dog gak without first tasting it.

Don't worry. While you're eating your bowl of excrement, the adults will be having a conversation.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I like how I couldn't be both 'living at home' and 'living alone'...

In the US at least, the phrase 'living at home' usually means 'living with your parents'.

Yea, but GW's Bri'ish, innit mate.

Nah, they're a corporation, they have no nationality.

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

Lolwut? Of course GW is concerned about stock; this is the first (okay, looking at the graph, second) significant contraction since we got nuGW, I guarantee that's a hot topic right now (regardless of the timing of a report). And naturally a survey would be a good place to get some insights into how a decline might be reversed.

Also c'mon, "primarily owned by rich people who expect a dividend", gimme a break. Yes, rich people own stocks. Regular average Joes do too. You've got a 401k, right? You own stock then. Additionally, dividend aristocrat stocks are often owned by pension funds and the like. Most dividend stocks don't rocket up like GW's did either, so it's not like that's how rich people got rich; it's just a relatively secure, conservative place to park your money.

*sigh*

The dip literally coincides with the press release from GW:

Games Workshop Group PLC announces today that trading for the three months to 29 August 2021 was in line with the Board’s expectations. Sales continue to grow but, as with other businesses, we have seen pressure on freight costs and currency exchange rates.

The Board has also today declared a dividend of 25 pence per share. This is in line with the Company’s policy to distribute truly surplus cash. This will be paid on 5 November 2021 for shareholders on the register at 1 October 2021, with an ex-dividend date of 30 September 2021. The last date for elections for the dividend re-investment plan is 15 October 2021.

The top 10% own 89% of the stock market. The same will be true of the LSE. Mutual funds don't typically cut and run on stocks like a day trader.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/18/the-wealthiest-10percent-of-americans-own-a-record-89percent-of-all-us-stocks.html

IF GW releases lower sales figures THEN you can tie this to that, but the statement above indicates that sales continue to grow.

"...and please make Lady Space Marines."

All finished!

Here is what I have said so far.

Hello,

I've been playing 40k since 2nd edition, so have seen the game go through some changes over the decades.

My understanding is that 9th edition was meant as a clean up of 8th edition, which was a departure from the cluster of a mess that 7th edition had become. It (7th edition) suffered from rules bloat, so needed the change. During the Index period of 8th edition it was a fun enjoyable game. However this soon stopped when the Codexes came out, and yet again we saw rules bloat.

9th edition has just escalated that process, and now we are in the same situation where 7th edition was. The game is no longer fun, or accessible. A game is won or lost mainly in the list building part of the game, which feels like the game has taken an odd direction. What a player does on the battlefield should be key to deciding victory and defeat.

I honestly think that a few changes need to be made to make the game fun, an more accessible to a wider audience.

• Alternative activations. IGOUGO is an out dated game format, and with the increase in just how lethal the shooting phase is now armies can easily be removed within a one shooting phase. That is not fun, and can turn people away from the game. Alternative Activations allow for greater player interaction, while also making the game more about what a player does on the table and less about what list they brought. It also stops the chances of alpha strike, while creating more fire fights, and protracted combats. Things that are exciting as they ebb and flow, with no clear victor known until the end.

• Weapon Ranges are far too long now. As Rapid Fire weapons can move and fire at full range (a change that was made in 4th edition), Heavy Weapons can now move and fire, all on a smaller table size now is a recipe for a bad experience. Rapid Fire weapons as they were in 3rd edition were brilliant. They put players in a situation where they had to make choices, sometimes difficult choices. Do I hang back to get maximum firepower from my unit, or do I advance towards that objective knowing that my units fire power will be reduced. Now that choice has been removed.

• Scale of the game. 2nd edition was a skirmish game, and the rules reflected that. 3rd edition was a platoon level game, and the rules reflected that. 9th edition is all over the place, supersonic air craft which move like hover craft (there should be a dedicated aircraft phase, where aircraft fly on to the table, shoot, fly off the table with any anti air craft getting the chance to take take out), super heavy vehicles from the old Epic game system now stride the battlefield. All the while we have detailed rules for unique pistols. The scale seems to straddle both the small and the large. This creates a very odd mixture and makes the game feel like it doesn't know what it is aiming to be. Personally I found that as soon as the super heavies and fliers were added the game suffered immensely. Thise things belong in Epic, or the Apocalypse game format, not standard 40K.

• Rules bloat. So now we have A plethora of Faction specific Stratagems, unique Faction Relics, Warlord Traits, Faction rules, and Sub-Faction rules, in addition to unit special rules. This is simply too much front loaded complexity and rule interaction. It creates a lot of areas where players are left not knowing what is happening and how things interact. It is all too easy to forget some rule which can lose them the game. Adding complexity to a game doesn't make it deep and tactical, one need only lookat the likes of the game Go to see how simple rule set can create a very tactically deep game. Scale back the sheer number of special rules.

• Number of factions. The game groans under the number of factions now, especially as each flavour of Marine Chapter have been given their own Codex, each with unique units, wargear, etc. Adding to the already high number of factions can also put players into a position where they don't know what their opponent force is or does, which again can create a few issues, because factions are a lot more than just their stat line due to all the extra rules dotted around. What is even more of an issue is that we see long time factions such as the Eldar and Tyranids suffer with models that are very old, yet new Marine factions are getting the Primaris treatment left right and centre.

• Speed of editions. If players want to keep up to date with the rules they need to purchase all the books that go with an edition. As we are seeing editions come and go so quickly it is creating a lot of waste. We live in an age where people are conscious of their environmental impact. Printed books that have a short shelf life are something that needs changing.

Essentially I think the setting and lore of the game are what appeal to me. The game rules just frustrate me and leave me cold. I honestly thinknthe game could do with either going back to basics, or a complete overhaul. Every edition since 3rd edition has felt like it is just modifying the core rules of 3rd edition without looking at what made 3rd edition work so well. The end result is we get a game that is a bit of a Frankensteins's Monster with parts added here and there with no understanding of how this will impact the game.

What I find deeply puzzling is that GW have shown recently that you can make fantastic rule sets, Horus Heresy Betrayal at Calth, Warhammer Underworlds, and Imperialis Aeronautica come to mind. So why is 40K so bad?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

Lolwut? Of course GW is concerned about stock; this is the first (okay, looking at the graph, second) significant contraction since we got nuGW, I guarantee that's a hot topic right now (regardless of the timing of a report). And naturally a survey would be a good place to get some insights into how a decline might be reversed.

Also c'mon, "primarily owned by rich people who expect a dividend", gimme a break. Yes, rich people own stocks. Regular average Joes do too. You've got a 401k, right? You own stock then. Additionally, dividend aristocrat stocks are often owned by pension funds and the like. Most dividend stocks don't rocket up like GW's did either, so it's not like that's how rich people got rich; it's just a relatively secure, conservative place to park your money.

*sigh*

The dip literally coincides with the press release from GW:

Games Workshop Group PLC announces today that trading for the three months to 29 August 2021 was in line with the Board’s expectations. Sales continue to grow but, as with other businesses, we have seen pressure on freight costs and currency exchange rates.

The Board has also today declared a dividend of 25 pence per share. This is in line with the Company’s policy to distribute truly surplus cash. This will be paid on 5 November 2021 for shareholders on the register at 1 October 2021, with an ex-dividend date of 30 September 2021. The last date for elections for the dividend re-investment plan is 15 October 2021.

The top 10% own 89% of the stock market. The same will be true of the LSE. Mutual funds don't typically cut and run on stocks like a day trader.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/18/the-wealthiest-10percent-of-americans-own-a-record-89percent-of-all-us-stocks.html

IF GW releases lower sales figures THEN you can tie this to that, but the statement above indicates that sales continue to grow.

Also of note is that by tying people's retirement funds to the stock market you create a system where rich people can gamble company assets for more money or dividends, but should they fail then either the government bails the wealthy out (like with the airline industry, the banks post housing market crash, the automobile industry, investment funds, etc. etc...) or a bunch of people with 401K's find their retirement funds destroyed... So now your tax dollars bail out rich people making stupid bets. And yes the overwhelming majority of stocks are in fact owned by the wealthy as was cited earlier. Billionaires get bailouts all the time when they mismanage their billions in assets and millionaires their millions, and proceed to lay people off, but when a mistake or god forbid a pandemic happens, or should the rich person you work for mismanage their assets and lay you off, there's no bail out for you.


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Back on topic though yes I definitely explained various barriers to entry, barriers to retention, and a few general fixes I would make to make the game better.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
One cannot comment how to best season or improve the dog gak without first tasting it.

Don't worry. While you're eating your bowl of excrement, the adults will be having a conversation.

Christ. I'll leave the adults to discuss a game they refer to being as dog gak, so they can have a conversation about how it's unfair their feedback on how the game they haven't played in 2 years is undervalued. Thank you.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

Lolwut? Of course GW is concerned about stock; this is the first (okay, looking at the graph, second) significant contraction since we got nuGW, I guarantee that's a hot topic right now (regardless of the timing of a report). And naturally a survey would be a good place to get some insights into how a decline might be reversed.

Also c'mon, "primarily owned by rich people who expect a dividend", gimme a break. Yes, rich people own stocks. Regular average Joes do too. You've got a 401k, right? You own stock then. Additionally, dividend aristocrat stocks are often owned by pension funds and the like. Most dividend stocks don't rocket up like GW's did either, so it's not like that's how rich people got rich; it's just a relatively secure, conservative place to park your money.

*sigh*

The dip literally coincides with the press release from GW:

Games Workshop Group PLC announces today that trading for the three months to 29 August 2021 was in line with the Board’s expectations. Sales continue to grow but, as with other businesses, we have seen pressure on freight costs and currency exchange rates.

The Board has also today declared a dividend of 25 pence per share. This is in line with the Company’s policy to distribute truly surplus cash. This will be paid on 5 November 2021 for shareholders on the register at 1 October 2021, with an ex-dividend date of 30 September 2021. The last date for elections for the dividend re-investment plan is 15 October 2021.

The top 10% own 89% of the stock market. The same will be true of the LSE. Mutual funds don't typically cut and run on stocks like a day trader.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/18/the-wealthiest-10percent-of-americans-own-a-record-89percent-of-all-us-stocks.html

IF GW releases lower sales figures THEN you can tie this to that, but the statement above indicates that sales continue to grow.

I didn't make any comments on whether sales were growing or not. I'm sure the rate of growth has decreased but that's besides the point. GW stock matters, that's the bottom line. Earlier this year, when GW paid out bonuses to employees, it was in the form of shares. We know Rountree and many others under him get a significant portion of their compensation in stock options and stock. *Of course* it matters to those folks when the stock goes down. That's got nothing to do with some weak argument about the 10%/1%, and anyway that's all venturing into politics anyways, so let's steer clear of it.


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macluvin wrote:

Spoiler:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

Lolwut? Of course GW is concerned about stock; this is the first (okay, looking at the graph, second) significant contraction since we got nuGW, I guarantee that's a hot topic right now (regardless of the timing of a report). And naturally a survey would be a good place to get some insights into how a decline might be reversed.

Also c'mon, "primarily owned by rich people who expect a dividend", gimme a break. Yes, rich people own stocks. Regular average Joes do too. You've got a 401k, right? You own stock then. Additionally, dividend aristocrat stocks are often owned by pension funds and the like. Most dividend stocks don't rocket up like GW's did either, so it's not like that's how rich people got rich; it's just a relatively secure, conservative place to park your money.

*sigh*

The dip literally coincides with the press release from GW:

Games Workshop Group PLC announces today that trading for the three months to 29 August 2021 was in line with the Board’s expectations. Sales continue to grow but, as with other businesses, we have seen pressure on freight costs and currency exchange rates.

The Board has also today declared a dividend of 25 pence per share. This is in line with the Company’s policy to distribute truly surplus cash. This will be paid on 5 November 2021 for shareholders on the register at 1 October 2021, with an ex-dividend date of 30 September 2021. The last date for elections for the dividend re-investment plan is 15 October 2021.

The top 10% own 89% of the stock market. The same will be true of the LSE. Mutual funds don't typically cut and run on stocks like a day trader.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/18/the-wealthiest-10percent-of-americans-own-a-record-89percent-of-all-us-stocks.html

IF GW releases lower sales figures THEN you can tie this to that, but the statement above indicates that sales continue to grow.

Also of note is that by tying people's retirement funds to the stock market you create a system where rich people can gamble company assets for more money or dividends, but should they fail then either the government bails the wealthy out (like with the airline industry, the banks post housing market crash, the automobile industry, investment funds, etc. etc...) or a bunch of people with 401K's find their retirement funds destroyed... So now your tax dollars bail out rich people making stupid bets. And yes the overwhelming majority of stocks are in fact owned by the wealthy as was cited earlier. Billionaires get bailouts all the time when they mismanage their billions in assets and millionaires their millions, and proceed to lay people off, but when a mistake or god forbid a pandemic happens, or should the rich person you work for mismanage their assets and lay you off, there's no bail out for you.


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Back on topic though yes I definitely explained various barriers to entry, barriers to retention, and a few general fixes I would make to make the game better.

Ugh this definitely is not on topic, talking about stocks does not have to inherently be political, but posts like this make it that way...

8th and 9th edition made their stock prices skyrocket. They don't care about who put food on their plates, they care about who put a Ferrari in their garage. That's the 8th/9th edition crowd. The profit motive is why they do what they do and if you don't like it, they don't do what they do to make you happy. They do what they do because it makes them money. If you don't like the product or perceive a lack of quality from the product because of that, then capitalism is not the economic system for you. The fact is that flaws are economically incentivized to varying degrees; in this instance planned obsolescence is inserted into the rules to sell you more rules and models. It's the thing every successful business model does; it's why gas powered cars were dominant for so long (more moving parts to break and replace) and it's why smart phones are designed to degrade over time in performance from the phone updates. It's also why we don't irradiate food, it's how we drive the consumerism that makes the nearly endless economic growth we need to function possible. Games Workshop, upon receiving competent business people, are making competent business decisions in regards to how to make money.

Dudeface wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
One cannot comment how to best season or improve the dog gak without first tasting it.

Don't worry. While you're eating your bowl of excrement, the adults will be having a conversation.

Christ. I'll leave the adults to discuss a game they refer to being as dog gak, so they can have a conversation about how it's unfair their feedback on how the game they haven't played in 2 years is undervalued. Thank you.

2 years ago was November 2019, stop acting like it was in some time immemorial before mankind had learned to write things down...

 Grimtuff wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
One cannot comment how to best season or improve the dog gak without first tasting it.

Don't worry. While you're eating your bowl of excrement, the adults will be having a conversation.

Christ. I'll leave the adults to discuss a game they refer to being as dog gak, so they can have a conversation about how it's unfair their feedback on how the game they haven't played in 2 years is undervalued. Thank you.

2 years ago was November 2019, stop acting like it was in some time immemorial before mankind had learned to write things down...

Stop acting like it was last week. It was November 2019.

Rihgu wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
One cannot comment how to best season or improve the dog gak without first tasting it.

Don't worry. While you're eating your bowl of excrement, the adults will be having a conversation.

Christ. I'll leave the adults to discuss a game they refer to being as dog gak, so they can have a conversation about how it's unfair their feedback on how the game they haven't played in 2 years is undervalued. Thank you.

2 years ago was November 2019, stop acting like it was in some time immemorial before mankind had learned to write things down...

Stop acting like it was last week. It was November 2019.

Yes, because SOOOOOOO much has fundamentally changed in 40k in the last two years that anyone's wealth of experience playing prior is moot. Yup. Course. All those 8th ed books still kicking around are unusable, and the gameplay knowledge gleaned from them also.

Because no one wants the opinions of long-term and/or former players, despite the bloody article saying the opposite from the outset. Nope. Not at all...

To reiterate what Stormnou already posted. that is literally taken from the article

Whether you’re a new gamer, you’ve been playing since boxed sets came with a cardboard Dreadnought, or are a lapsed fan of the 41st Millennium, we want your opinions. What do you love about Warhammer 40,000? What would you like to see changed?