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2021/11/18 16:54:51
Subject: GW Battleforces announced on Thursday (18th November)
Actually I'd say the downside with the Necron one is the two big walkers and the Rule of 3 since they come in single unit blocks; if you get 2 sets you end up with 1 that is technically "spare"
Sent my preorder in to my local store:
2 Soulblight
2 Hedonite
2 Ossiarch
2 Necron
2 Ad Mech
4 Sisters (2 are for my girlfriend)
This years gonna be expensive, good thing I'm working a bit of overtime the next couple weeks XD. Was tempted by the Vanari but I gotta draw the line *somewhere*. Orks are a pass, the only thing in there I really want is the flyer. Marines are tempting but I don't need more regular and assault intercessors.
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2021/11/18 16:56:51
Subject: GW Battleforces announced on Thursday (18th November)
Overread wrote: Actually I'd say the downside with the Necron one is the two big walkers and the Rule of 3 since they come in single unit blocks; if you get 2 sets you end up with 1 that is technically "spare"
Got that multiple of three though if you bought Indomitus and one of these, I imagine that will be quite common amongst Necron people.
2021/11/18 16:58:03
Subject: GW Battleforces announced on Thursday (18th November)
Overread wrote: Actually I'd say the downside with the Necron one is the two big walkers and the Rule of 3 since they come in single unit blocks; if you get 2 sets you end up with 1 that is technically "spare"
Throw it on eBay at 40% off MSRP and make back some of the money you spent *shrug*
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2021/11/18 16:58:16
Subject: GW Battleforces announced on Thursday (18th November)
SM one is solid, just by sheer quantity (though at first I thought it had 3 lieutenants, not bladeguard, which says... something)
Sisters feels thin, probably because of the price tag on the tanks.
Ad Mech one also feels very thin, again probably because of the retail cost on some of those kits.
DG set is actually pretty nice, but I suspect that's mostly for the three blighthaulers together rather than scrounging for them. Too bad that is still an E2B kit rather than something with options.
Necron box I like in theory, though its got too many models I don't want
Ork box is just... weird. Grots are cheap as chips, no reason for one of the few reasonably priced ($18 for 11 models) kits to be taking up space in a bargain box. Nobs have been oversold in boxed sets and battleforces for years. The new monopose-orks are fine, I guess. Not sure what the trike and flyer are doing in there.
Its fine, overall. None of the 40k or AoS boxes are really appealing to me, but most aren't awful. Not going to bother on waiting three weeks for an order to show up for these, though.
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2021/11/18 16:58:37
Subject: GW Battleforces announced on Thursday (18th November)
JWBS wrote: All these boxes go absolutely great with existing discount boxes (from what I can see, I don't know tall the ins-and-outs of armies from a player's perspective but for an army collector they're super good). The usual whingers that are complaining that they aren't 100% perfect for their own individual needs would absolutely w/o a doubt have been whinging about these no matter what was included, we all know this.
35 infantry and a bike boss isn't super good for anyone no matter how much you bend over backwards to make excuses for GW. This has nothing to do with what I want for my army.
Well might just as well quit gw games then if these are too low value. As anything else is worse. Stop playing and for own sanity stop paying any attention to it.
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2021/11/18 17:03:28
Subject: GW Battleforces announced on Thursday (18th November)
Yeah I think the AM is the pick of the bunch here imo. The flying guys, the cavalry, both of these are new and also fairly pricey. Then the walker, the semi-exclusive commander, minimal overlap of the troops between this and SC/CP. Even the Ruststalkers are great for a lot of people, I imagine many are put off paying £30+ for a unit of 5 mansize miniatures, getting them at 40% discount can never be bad. I think I'll try and get two of these.
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2021/11/18 17:08:06
Subject: GW Battleforces announced on Thursday (18th November)
That battle sister box is straight garbage tbh. Battle sisters are the kit everyone has, the exorcist and immolator are both trash. You're basically just buying the box for the dogmata and the sacrosancts.
It's still a discount and that's always nice, but man...the only way it would have been worse is if they had put in a castigator instead.
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2021/11/18 17:09:17
Subject: GW Battleforces announced on Thursday (18th November)
ERJAK wrote: That battle sister box is straight garbage tbh. Battle sisters are the kit everyone has, the exorcist and immolator are both trash. You're basically just buying the box for the dogmata and the sacrosancts.
Unless you're getting started with Sisters - again a lot of these boxes aren't good for "I've got most of the army" but are great for expanding a slight beginning army or starting one afresh
If they replaced the Sisters tanks with arcoflags, pain engine, repentia or seraphs people would doubtless cry about that, given that they're in the CP. So what's left exactly? What can you not get now at discount, for Sisters, between this and the CP?
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2021/11/18 17:13:24
Subject: GW Battleforces announced on Thursday (18th November)
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Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
2021/11/18 17:15:59
Subject: GW Battleforces announced on Thursday (18th November)
ERJAK wrote: That battle sister box is straight garbage tbh. Battle sisters are the kit everyone has, the exorcist and immolator are both trash. You're basically just buying the box for the dogmata and the sacrosancts.
Unless you're getting started with Sisters - again a lot of these boxes aren't good for "I've got most of the army" but are great for expanding a slight beginning army or starting one afresh
Even then, it's mostly tricking you into making a bad sister's army.
2021/11/18 17:16:24
Subject: GW Battleforces announced on Thursday (18th November)
I think that GW has been pretty intentionally designing bundles (starter boxes, combat patrols, and battleforces) to be really good deals that don't really reward buying multiples.
At least they're doing a better job of keeping in mind what's in Combat Patrols when they release these.
2021/11/18 17:18:33
Subject: GW Battleforces announced on Thursday (18th November)
JWBS wrote: Yeah I think the AM is the pick of the bunch here imo. The flying guys, the cavalry, both of these are new and also fairly pricey. Then the walker, the semi-exclusive commander, minimal overlap of the troops between this and SC/CP. Even the Ruststalkers are great for a lot of people, I imagine many are put off paying £30+ for a unit of 5 mansize miniatures, getting them at 40% discount can never be bad. I think I'll try and get two of these.
Yea as much as GW have been cramming Rangers down our throats at every opportunity, they have been oddly stingy with Sicarians (also Electro Priests)
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2021/11/18 17:20:54
Subject: GW Battleforces announced on Thursday (18th November)
Overread wrote: Actually --- Scratch what I said about the Necron one - I just realised that those are wraiths in the background not the three legged warriors; and the Imperium magazine comes with the reanimator not the blaster walker.
Recolour me interested !
Not only that, they're the new 2020 wraith things, not the old ones. From the unfamiliar name I also first assumed they're the tripods.
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2021/11/18 17:23:37
Subject: GW Battleforces announced on Thursday (18th November)
JWBS wrote: If they replaced the Sisters tanks with arcoflags, pain engine, repentia or seraphs people would doubtless cry about that, given that they're in the CP. So what's left exactly? What can you not get now at discount, for Sisters, between this and the CP?
You still can't get penitent engines, repentia, seraphim or arcoflags at a discount. The CP kits are mono-pose with no options and also all minimum unit sizes, which basically means you have to buy 2 to get 1 one squad of arcos or repentia (that you'd actually field).
If the tanks didn't suck, this box would be amazing. The tanks suck, so its not.
2021/11/18 17:25:34
Subject: GW Battleforces announced on Thursday (18th November)
JWBS wrote: Looks like that's it, no terrain or paint or SG reveals and it's gone 17:00 now.
They usually don't reveal that stuff with the battleforces for whatever reason, they'll pop up on the preorder announcement one of these weekends instead.
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2021/11/18 17:27:38
Subject: GW Battleforces announced on Thursday (18th November)
The Orks one is very disjointed and very iffy for both newcomers and veteran Ork players. No buggies, no warbikerz, kommandos or even a Trukk. I feel like they spun a wheel and just used that to figure out what to put in there.
2021/11/18 17:29:18
Subject: GW Battleforces announced on Thursday (18th November)
Grimskul wrote: The Orks one is very disjointed and very iffy for both newcomers and veteran Ork players. No buggies, no warbikerz, kommandos or even a Trukk. I feel like they spun a wheel and just used that to figure out what to put in there.
I think, as has been said above, they looked at the existing discount boxes and tried not to duplicate them (either that or they've managed to randomly achieve this which I find unlikely). It's pretty fair that they didn't put Kommandos in. I guess many people would have preferred bikes or whatnot but the only mildly offensive thing in there is the 15yo Nob kit imo. Perhaps fewer core troops also would have been ideal.
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lord_blackfang wrote:
JWBS wrote: Usually preorders are between Monday and Wednesday the week following Warcom reveals right?
Well, preorders are on Saturday, of course, but stores get order forms early in the week and that's when prices are leaked, yea.
CMLR wrote:
JWBS wrote: Usually preorders are between Monday and Wednesday the week following Warcom reveals right?
This is until december, and no, is on the saturday.
Oh okay so either 27th or 4th?
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2021/11/18 17:35:03
Subject: GW Battleforces announced on Thursday (18th November)
Apart from the weird ork set, these all seem decent. I think SM and DG are the joint 'winners' in having the best set that also feel like a functioning army. (Although the cheap blighthauler kit probably skews the DG a bit)
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