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One of the reddit leakers provided me with the Iyanden craftworld traits:

+1 to combat attrition tests (similar to one half of the old rules)
-1 and -2 AP are reduced by 1 (similar to half of the valorous heart traits)

The Hammerhead Railgun reveal does make some of these leaks sound more realistic, as early 2022 might be when we hit the jumping the shark phase of the power creep.

EightFoldPath wrote:
The Hammerhead Railgun reveal does make some of these leaks sound more realistic, as early 2022 might be when we hit the jumping the shark phase of the power creep.

Pretty sure Tyranids already did that. Both Railgun and Craftworlds look fairly tame compared to those recent releases, lol.

Its been quite a few years since tyranid releases...

It's been a decade since the Hammerhead has been released too.

Anyone know the Saim Hann traits?

Sunny Side Up wrote:

EightFoldPath wrote:
The Hammerhead Railgun reveal does make some of these leaks sound more realistic, as early 2022 might be when we hit the jumping the shark phase of the power creep.

Pretty sure Tyranids already did that. Both Railgun and Craftworlds look fairly tame compared to those recent releases, lol.

A 5++ on everything and -1 Damage on Monsters?

That's... Quite useful, but considering the restrictions, unlikely to prop the 'Dex up much.

I’d like to know what the starcannon is going to be like because it seems like the Shuriken cannons changes make it almost obsolete. If the star cannon turns into a weapon with flat three damage that would be pretty nasty.

Starcannons are apparently 2 shots, S7, AP -3, 2 damage.

Twilight Pathways wrote:
Starcannons are apparently 2 shots, S7, AP -3, 2 damage.

It really bothers me that I'm unimpressed by that.

Voss wrote:

Twilight Pathways wrote:
Starcannons are apparently 2 shots, S7, AP -3, 2 damage.

It really bothers me that I'm unimpressed by that.

For whatever reason, GW really doesn't like most xenos race equivalents for plasma being actually strong compared to Imperials. You get "safe" baby versions that you don't have the ubiquity or utility of Imperial grade weaponry for some reason despite being more advanced in tech.

 Grimskul wrote:

Voss wrote:

Twilight Pathways wrote:
Starcannons are apparently 2 shots, S7, AP -3, 2 damage.

It really bothers me that I'm unimpressed by that.

For whatever reason, GW really doesn't like most xenos race equivalents for plasma being actually strong compared to Imperials. You get "safe" baby versions that you don't have the ubiquity or utility of Imperial grade weaponry for some reason despite being more advanced in tech.

It isn't even that. Its just that with the sheer abundance of weaponry in that weight class, its easy to look at a starcannon (once one of the most feared weapons in the game) and simply... shrug. It doesn't really stand out compared to anything. Its just part of a long, long list, and I'm not sure it even clears the top 20.

The warp spider guns are also underwhelming. For something that is supposed to envelop the target in a web of mono molecular thin razor sharp filaments that shred through anything. It doesn’t really reflect that in the rules. I’d settle for something exotic like 1 shot. If you hit and infantry model 2-5 causes a mortal wound. 6 is instant death. Would be awesome.

 Grimskul wrote:

Voss wrote:

Twilight Pathways wrote:
Starcannons are apparently 2 shots, S7, AP -3, 2 damage.

It really bothers me that I'm unimpressed by that.

For whatever reason, GW really doesn't like most xenos race equivalents for plasma being actually strong compared to Imperials. You get "safe" baby versions that you don't have the ubiquity or utility of Imperial grade weaponry for some reason despite being more advanced in tech.

I've noticed that as well, it appears only Imperial plasma gets to be the most potent. I'm hopeful they don't make Imperial melta the best as well, otherwise my Fire Dragons will continue to be a disappointment.

Voss wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

Voss wrote:

Twilight Pathways wrote:
Starcannons are apparently 2 shots, S7, AP -3, 2 damage.

It really bothers me that I'm unimpressed by that.

For whatever reason, GW really doesn't like most xenos race equivalents for plasma being actually strong compared to Imperials. You get "safe" baby versions that you don't have the ubiquity or utility of Imperial grade weaponry for some reason despite being more advanced in tech.

It isn't even that. Its just that with the sheer abundance of weaponry in that weight class, its easy to look at a starcannon (once one of the most feared weapons in the game) and simply... shrug. It doesn't really stand out compared to anything. Its just part of a long, long list, and I'm not sure it even clears the top 20.

Increasingly everything important has minus 1 damage, rendering damage 2 an active detriment to your list because you are now paying for a damage stat you can't actually use.

stratigo wrote:


Increasingly everything important has minus 1 damage, rendering damage 2 an active detriment to your list because you are now paying for a damage stat you can't actually use.

Minus you know, marine infantry, which make up the basis of say 70% of the armies out there.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

stratigo wrote:


Increasingly everything important has minus 1 damage, rendering damage 2 an active detriment to your list because you are now paying for a damage stat you can't actually use.

Minus you know, marine infantry, which make up the basis of say 70% of the armies out there.

Marine infantry isn't even the basis of marine armies these days.

warpedpig wrote:
The warp spider guns are also underwhelming. For something that is supposed to envelop the target in a web of mono molecular thin razor sharp filaments that shred through anything. It doesn’t really reflect that in the rules. I’d settle for something exotic like 1 shot. If you hit and infantry model 2-5 causes a mortal wound. 6 is instant death. Would be awesome.

I could see something like Alarielle's spear in AoS; You hit and wound dead easy, but every unsaved wound you roll a D6 and on a 6 the target is slain. On anything other than a 6 the wound is negated. If you gave the gun 12" range D3 auto hits that should be some good numbers to work with without being too oppresive.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

Voss wrote:

Twilight Pathways wrote:
Starcannons are apparently 2 shots, S7, AP -3, 2 damage.

It really bothers me that I'm unimpressed by that.

For whatever reason, GW really doesn't like most xenos race equivalents for plasma being actually strong compared to Imperials. You get "safe" baby versions that you don't have the ubiquity or utility of Imperial grade weaponry for some reason despite being more advanced in tech.

I've noticed that as well, it appears only Imperial plasma gets to be the most potent. I'm hopeful they don't make Imperial melta the best as well, otherwise my Fire Dragons will continue to be a disappointment.

Making fire dragons a non-suicide squad is going to be a real challenge. One I don't think GW is up for.

Well, they have max range melta and can run after firing. Seems pretty solid to me.

If folks are expecting a unit to guarantee survive after nuking stuff way more expensive then the unit doing the killing I think they might need to reconsider things a bit lol

Need to have something for fire dragons like soaring sprites where they can do melta gun drive bys from the back of a transport like a starweaver. I would’ve been happier having fire dragons on the back of jetbikes for running around and zapping tanks and hard targets with meltaguns. Instead we get stupid scatter lasers and sniper rifles. It’s gonna be useless. They will die fast.

Fire Dragons riding on the back of Jetbikes? Man that would be a lot of fun, and make a bit more sense than drive by sniping hahaha

I would be happy if Fire Dragon's had a role besides storming out of a wave serpent but we shall see what comes.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
Fire Dragons riding on the back of Jetbikes? Man that would be a lot of fun, and make a bit more sense than drive by sniping hahaha

I would be happy if Fire Dragon's had a role besides storming out of a wave serpent but we shall see what comes.

Dying is their second role.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I love these Rangers and holding back from starting an Aeldari Kill-team is going to be a real challenge.

This. I've been waiting for new rangers since DoW2 and these turned out really nice.

I am still waiting for Vypers with D cannons and Vibrocannons. Would be fun

 Albertorius wrote:
Dying is their second role.

Exalted

 Albertorius wrote:

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
Fire Dragons riding on the back of Jetbikes? Man that would be a lot of fun, and make a bit more sense than drive by sniping hahaha

I would be happy if Fire Dragon's had a role besides storming out of a wave serpent but we shall see what comes.

Dying is their second role.

Maybe a built-in fire on death then

Do any of the eldar leaks have Ra in them?

 GaroRobe wrote:
Do any of the eldar leaks have Ra in them?

I don't think so, no.

New! Plastic! Aeldari Guardians! - WarCom

The new kit includes options to make either a squad of Guardian Defenders (including a heavy weapon platform) or a squad of Storm Guardians, with a new addition for the latter – a Serpent’s Scale Platform. The latter deflects incoming fire, allowing your squad to stroll nonchalantly across the battlefield before slicing their way through the younger races of the galaxy.