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Q (John De Lancie specifically), not necessarily evil or a villain, but he does set up an end-of-the-human-race scenario.
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Tannhauser42 wrote: To go with something a little different: Michael Corleone.
He is one of those characters, like Hannibal Lecter, that despite being evil/criminal he's not really a villain. Or at least I never considered as such.
Which reminds of a couple of characters from my favorite tv series, Battlestar Galactica: Number 6 and 2, portrayed by Tricia Helfer and Callum Keith Rennie, who defintiely start as villains, but in the end are they really villains? Both amazing characters IMHO.
Homelander from The Boys.
John Smith and inspector Kido from Man in the high castle.
Sebastian Shaw from X-men: First Class.
Half of the characters in Black Sails.
OK, this is low hanging fruit but I'm going to recommend Killmonger from Black Panther. There was a lot of things wrong with that film, but at least there was motivation for the bad guy and we got a cracking performance. Not as intense as Heath Ledger's Joker but surely as heart felt.
Gowron, leader of the Klingon High Council!
Robert O'Reilly is amazing and despite Gowron being not evil like Dukat or Duras, he's still only out for himself and will step on anyone who gets in the way of power.
Henry wrote: OK, this is low hanging fruit but I'm going to recommend Killmonger from Black Panther. There was a lot of things wrong with that film, but at least there was motivation for the bad guy and we got a cracking performance. Not as intense as Heath Ledger's Joker but surely as heart felt.
Racist black villian in the age of politically correct, and Marvel/Disney is the pinnacle of politically correct, is certainly unique and deserves to be highlighted. Marvel did show some courage for once, and Jordan's performance was very intense, indeed.
The Terminator. Schwarzenegger's T-800 is probably the only character in the history of cinema that was an iconic villain in a movie and then an iconic hero in its sequel. Techincally it's not the same guy and certainly Schwarzenegger did an incredible job, managing to portray two very different characters, both unforgettable. I prefer the villain though, but probably because I vastly prefer the first movie.
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I’m also going to put forward the various Star Wars Moffs.
Well. Tarkin and Gideon, anyway. Both are just short of moustache twirling, with only Gideon having the slightest nibble of the scenery.
Never mind Vader, it’s Tarkin that I wouldn’t like to tangle with. He’s supremely confident, and utterly in control. We barely see his icy calm break, and that’s when he orders Leia’s termination.
Gideon is a worthy successor on screen. A strong display of exactly what sort of folk Palpatine put his trust in,
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Tobias Whale in Black Lightning tv show - a bad bad man in a great show
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Colonel Hans Landa from Inglorious Basterds. The banality of evil personified.
Terri in Santa Baby 2. Again, I have run into this type of villain so many times in my life, and this one is delivered as an almost perfect caricature of the type.
The Master in Dr. Who is always a good, interesting match-up.
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Paint it Pink wrote: One villain that impressed me in a TV series was Dr. Harrison Wells from the first season of The Flash played by Tom Cavanagh was totally chilling.
Yeah, which makes where he goes even more cringey.
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The Netflix Marvel series had a couple outstanding villains I felt:
Wilson Fisk (Vincent D'Onofrio) in Daredevil - not typically a big fan of this actor but he did a great job here I thought and his Fisk was scary but nicely developed
Killgrave (David Tenant) - just awful evil character here though the Jessica Jones show overall wasn't too great IMHO I thought as a villain there have not been too many others I have flat out hated as much as this guy
Max Von Sidow as Ming the Merciless (Flash Gordon)
James Earl Jones as Thulsa Doom (Conan)
Jack Nicholson Joker
Jack Nicholson Jack Torrance (The Shining)
Those guys can chew some scenery!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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What a wonderful villain. Total egomaniac. Totally his own worst enemy. Still never gives up.
Sure his appearances are….uneven. But just to watch Genesis of the Daleks shows the genius of his conception as a villain. Completely and utterly round the bend, pants on head, box of frogs, barking at mice loopy.
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Captain Barbosa, specifically in the first Pirates movie, before his switch to villain protagonist.
The man has charm, and the charisma to pull off being the captain, but also the intelligence, skill and steadiness to KEEP being the captain, unlike (CAPTAIN!) Jack Sparrow, whose just too unpredictable, for all his skill and luck, to be a good leader.
the way he spends most of the 2nd act charming the audience with the tragedy of his backstory and the hell of his current existence, and making us want him to succeed in his quest to become human again....right up until this moment:
(paraphrasing form memory here)
Sparrow: ok, so we've caught up to them, why do i go over, get the final piece of the treasure, and we can be on our way?
Barbosa: See, thats the kind of thinking that lost you the Pearl, Jack. People are so much easier to search when dead.
wham. that charming, charismatic man with the tragic backstory....cool motive, still a murderer, pirate and general Bad Dude.
To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.
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Henry wrote: OK, this is low hanging fruit but I'm going to recommend Killmonger from Black Panther. There was a lot of things wrong with that film, but at least there was motivation for the bad guy and we got a cracking performance.
He was one of those villains that is only perceived as the bad guy because the script forces him into random nonsensical violence to make him "evil" despite him being 100% correct.
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Oh, I see this is not movies or shows only. Alright, well.
Jack Gleeson as Joffrey Baratheon in Game of Thrones. Every second he is on screen increases my hatred for him 10 fold. Jack does an amazing job being a pompous little twit and just kills it every scene. He was so good, he often stole the scene from characters I actually liked. Which made me hate him more.
Peter Blomquist as Micah Bell in Red Dead Redemption 2. Another character you just grow to hate as time goes on. Everything he does benefits himself above all. He always needs your help and he always complains while you are doing it. He is a sneak and a thief. Doesn't do half of what he says he does. American Venom.
Logan Cunningham as Hades in Hades. Your dad whips your ass over and over until you finally manage to beat him. Perfect villain.
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It is definitely tricky to portray a character with zero redeeming features, let alone someone as young as Jack Gleason.
Joffrey definitely has some of the best scenes. Whilst he absolutely grows more vicious, he remains at his core little more than a spoilt brat. A nasty kid who’s never been disciplined by his parents.
His various scenes with Tyrion really demonstrated this. The second anyone stands up to him, one on one, Joffrey crumbles. He can only shriek, cry and threaten to tell his Mummy. And it’s both the actors that make those bits so good.
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My favorite villains from GOT were Little Finger. Cersei and... Daenerys. Yes, she was the character I hated the most since season 2-3 and to me her fate was the only one possible. Ruthless tyrant since the beginning, never had someone she really cared, only servants or allies, despite having people that could have been close to her. Se chose to be like that. I couldn't understand why people didn't see it.
Although I liked how Joffrey and Ramsay were portrayed I've never really been a fan of psychopaths like them, I prefer characters with much more shades as villains.
Ramsey had "style." despite being a hoffic person.....also he was not a coward like Joffrey - Joffrey was just a spoiled brat IMO not the psycopath that Ramsey was..
Daenerys was betrayed by pretty much everyone throughout her life and despite this was certainly no worse than any other ruler, in fact mostly better but of course she has to be judged in a different way to the male rulers - but we have had this discussion before. If she had followed the example of the first Targaryians to take control n Westros she would still be ruling but she had awful advisors and traitors to deal with. Her mercy mostly just resulted in betryal and pain....better a bit of Blood and Fire at the beginning....
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The show’s issue with Daenerys was with how quickly she went from Avenging but not necessarily full of ill intent to full on “burrrrrrn them aallllllll” pants on head woof woof wibble snivvet loopy.
I mean, throughout her time over the sour sea, we see someone who perhaps naive, isn’t necessarily a wrong’un. Certainly not compared to the total melts in Westeros.
When she executed the Tarleys, she let everyone who bent the knee live, despite them being Bannermen of her sworn foe. But we see a sudden abandonment of all restraint as soon as Missande is killed. And there’s no real reason given why she suddenly feels the need to change tack and annihilate those who have surrendered or are just civilians - her intended future subjects.
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well lil Miss Targaryen did lessen the number of Dickons in the world, that's gotta count for something...
Still of the mind that Roy Batty maybe be cinemas bestest "baddie" starts as what you assume is just a crazy killer but as the film unfolds is clear there's way more going on
Oh and Russell from True Blood, a gloriously over the top panto performance from Denis O'Hare (boyfriend in a jar being a high point)
"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
What chaps my hide is in ongoing series (TV or movies) the seemingly inane concept of each succeeding season or movie must develop a villain worse than the previous. They must be more powerful and bent on more massive destruction.
I really like when they move into a differing direction that may not necessarily have to be a sole villain, but maybe a different concept or situation that is more imaginative than just a more worser(?) baddie
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xerxeskingofking wrote: Captain Barbosa, specifically in the first Pirates movie, before his switch to villain protagonist.
The man has charm, and the charisma to pull off being the captain, but also the intelligence, skill and steadiness to KEEP being the captain, unlike (CAPTAIN!) Jack Sparrow, whose just too unpredictable, for all his skill and luck, to be a good leader.
the way he spends most of the 2nd act charming the audience with the tragedy of his backstory and the hell of his current existence, and making us want him to succeed in his quest to become human again....right up until this moment:
(paraphrasing form memory here)
Sparrow: ok, so we've caught up to them, why do i go over, get the final piece of the treasure, and we can be on our way?
Barbosa: See, thats the kind of thinking that lost you the Pearl, Jack. People are so much easier to search when dead.
wham. that charming, charismatic man with the tragic backstory....cool motive, still a murderer, pirate and general Bad Dude.
Super agree. While the PotC series was somewhat fun to watch, Captain JS had no gumption to be a real Captain at all. Really, just a slippery, sniveling drunkard... Why would anyone follow him? Just his 'magic compass' to find treasure? What a flimsy reason - a better Captain should have slit his throat and taken it long ago.
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- but we have had this discussion before. If she had followed the example of the first Targaryians to take control n Westros she would still be ruling but she had awful advisors and traitors to deal with. Her mercy mostly just resulted in betryal and pain....better a bit of Blood and Fire at the beginning....