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Anybody else ever get like this? Pre-cursor; big whiny rant ahead

I'm a long time Eldar player. Been in and out of the hobby a couple of times but have always had a soft spot for the space elves.

I've trawled eBay for metal sculpts over the years and made the best of fine cast. I've lived with 20+ year old sculpts for quite some time - and never had an issue with that fact.

I have quite liked being one of the only Eldar players I know because frankly, there are other armies out there than have been updated many times since. Eldar have been left behind.

AND THEN... GW announce a nice new spangly Eldar set and suddenly every man and his dog plans to collect them.

There should be a tax that if you want to start playing Eldar you have to fully paint and play with the old sculpts first

In all seriousness now... I guess what I don't want, more than anything, is to be thought of as a meta chaser because I have the 'in' army.

Hate the idea of people assuming I only play my beloved Craftworld minis because they're new or top tier (assuming they will be).

I've played them at their worst and hopefully look forward to also playing them at their best, but I have to be honest, if Craftworld players start popping up everywhere, I won't want to be among them. I'll end up packing them away until the hype wears off.

What kind of person does that make me? I know it's super salty of me, and I don't want to feel like that... I know i'm being daft! But If i'm being honest, I have to admit, it will bug me a bit.

Here's hoping that everybody gets too persuaded by the new T'au Rail Gun instead...

I'm a Tyranid fan, so my troop models are, I believe, 20 years old this year (and in a less than ideal scale to other troopers), although the Guardians are even older if I remember right.

Having said that, when your faction gets a big update, there'll always be some flavour of the month type stuff going down, and I'm glad that even if my preferred faction has awful, outdated basic infantry and annoyingly same-y large figures, at least it isn't in the limbo Eldar Aspects are. I feel for you, bro.

Is this the “Oh, I was into them before they got big and sold out!” of miniature wargaming? :-D

Yeah, you're just being daft. GW finally put out a new range for Eldar and you think "no-one else should be able to enjoy this because I also enjoy this"?

I imagine I'm not the only one who always wanted to collect Eldar, but didn't because of ancient sculpts.

Being in for the models is better than people who just jump in for the rules, innit?

I still basically see eldar as the 2nd biggest faction behind ze space marines so this is all very odd.

But you can feel smug in having all the vintage sculpts, many of which won't balance on the meta-wagon (metal jetbikes and Wraith I'm looking at you...)

Heck if I start playing again I'll be using my epic Wave Serpents as that shield wotsot platform

I've played Eldar since I re-started with 40k at 5th edition. They have been all over the meta scale during that time, and I don't spam the overpowered units that edition, like the OP lists.

So, I absolutely see where he's coming from.
But, I expect any non-SM armies get similar issues when the new codex drops. It has been a long time coming for CWE though, and they seem to have been holding back for this one.

JohnnyHell wrote:Is this the “Oh, I was into them before they got big and sold out!” of miniature wargaming? :-D

Hahahaha Quite possibly! But no, it's not that...

Valkyrie wrote:GW finally put out a new range for Eldar and you think "no-one else should be able to enjoy this because I also enjoy this"?

Funny thing is, as of a month ago I was all for it. Loved the idea of people playing Eldar. But now it's different. Eldar are about to become the next popular thing, and I just don't want to be bundled into that group of people. That's all.

I kind of get where you're coming from. I started slowly collecting Dark Eldar in 7th edition, then they got their 8th edition codex and a massive power boost and corresponding jump in popularity, and I was briefly a little concerned it was going to look like I was jumping on the bandwagon...

 Crafter91 wrote:

JohnnyHell wrote:Is this the “Oh, I was into them before they got big and sold out!” of miniature wargaming? :-D

Hahahaha Quite possibly! But no, it's not that...

Valkyrie wrote:GW finally put out a new range for Eldar and you think "no-one else should be able to enjoy this because I also enjoy this"?

Funny thing is, as of a month ago I was all for it. Loved the idea of people playing Eldar. But now it's different. Eldar are about to become the next popular thing, and I just don't want to be bundled into that group of people. That's all.

Dont worry its actually a very natural human feeling/reaction but its also particularly illogical

So first world problems.

Haters are gonna hate.

Mate, Honestly if you're gonna run for the hills brcause someone calls you a name like 'meta chaser', or someone will.see you in a negative light when you've done bugger all wrong, what does that make you?

Screw the haters, screw the judgemental fools, play the wee dudes you love. And if they call you a name, look them square in the eye and call them out for their bs.

Life's too shirt.

 Crafter91 wrote:

JohnnyHell wrote:Is this the “Oh, I was into them before they got big and sold out!” of miniature wargaming? :-D

Hahahaha Quite possibly! But no, it's not that...

Valkyrie wrote:GW finally put out a new range for Eldar and you think "no-one else should be able to enjoy this because I also enjoy this"?

Funny thing is, as of a month ago I was all for it. Loved the idea of people playing Eldar. But now it's different. Eldar are about to become the next popular thing, and I just don't want to be bundled into that group of people. That's all.

Don't worry, your metal wraithlords, janky posed aspects and guardians with "my legs don't fit quite right" ass cracks will always mark you out as someone who isn't just chasing the meta. Anyone who doesn't see that is likely an even saltier person!

I vastly prefer 2nd ed Aspect sculpts over 3rd ed ones, never found a motivation to buy 4th ed sculpts and I find new Banshees to be inferior to both 4th and 2nd ed ones. I also play with my 2nd ed metal guardians (with a few monopose plastics mixed in) and all of those minis are based on original „Goblin Green with flock” bases, so I’m fairly certain no one will mistake me for a „flavor of the month” player jumping on the bandwagon

My advice? Just keep playing the minis you hold dearest and not the most powerful/broken ones from the incoming codex and you won’t be treated as „those guys” who’s idea of a Pale Courts Craftworld was 50/50 mix of scatbikes and Warp Spiders.

It happens. And I get where you're coming from. I've been playing eldar as my primary army for over 15 years now, and people tend to react in two ways: either you're a meta-chasing power gamer when eldar happen to be good, or you're a sad loser for playing eldar when they're bad. Can't win. I've learned to not care though. I love playing the army, and always have more fun playing 40k when I play eldar than any other army. So I'll keep playing eldar in good times and in bad times!

I also don't expect eldar to stick as a fotm army, unless they are truly broken like in 7th. Fundamtenally, a fragile and elite army doesn't work well for a lot of people. Most prefer more durable armies (either through just tanky units or through hordes), as that's somehwat easier to play, and not as mentally draining during tournaments.
Eldar have historically always been a fairly popular army though, so it's not too weird to see multiple eldar armies at events or in a shop.

You guys are the best ❤

Dai wrote:
I still basically see eldar as the 2nd biggest faction behind ze space marines so this is all very odd.

This, and also they're the biggest bandwagon faction in the game. People glomming onto elder because they're the power faction goes all the way back to 2nd edition!

There are going to be some new people who stick around for the exploits, but more who buy a bunch and then abandon it because at the end of the day they're still a t3 infantry army in 9th edition.

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In short, it won't matter if the OP liked it before it was popular. That's basically impossible - just a short term memory view.

 Crafter91 wrote:

There should be a tax that if you want to start playing Eldar you have to fully paint and play with the old sculpts first

Oh believe me, at current prices (even with discounts) those hopping on the bandwagon are paying the tax....

As for worrying about being called a meta-chaser & packing your army away in response?
That's stupid.
Those who you play with IRL already know you play Eldar.
Randos you don't know? Their opinions don't matter.

Besides, your collection of painted vintage metal/finecast will differentiate you from the new generation & their hordes of unpainted new-hottness plastics.

And here's me thinking that a Craftworlds range refresh would make Eldar players happy.
I'm disappointed but not surprised.

 Crafter91 wrote:

JohnnyHell wrote:Is this the “Oh, I was into them before they got big and sold out!” of miniature wargaming? :-D

Hahahaha Quite possibly! But no, it's not that...

Valkyrie wrote:GW finally put out a new range for Eldar and you think "no-one else should be able to enjoy this because I also enjoy this"?

Funny thing is, as of a month ago I was all for it. Loved the idea of people playing Eldar. But now it's different. Eldar are about to become the next popular thing, and I just don't want to be bundled into that group of people. That's all.

I do get what you mean, I've got Thousand Sons and Tau that I've been working on before the new Codexes were even announced so I know what you mean when you don't want people to get that impression, but the main point is who cares? You do just what you want to do.

1. When you're showing up tot the table with an army of ancient and outdated sculpts, nobody can accuse you of being a meta chaser since most of the army is being redone.

2. The tax for newbies starting eldar is that they are going to pay significantly more for their new minis than you did for your old ones.

Who cares who got there first? Just be happy more people share the love of your faction and that you get FANTASTIC new models.

 Gert wrote:
And here's me thinking that a Craftworlds range refresh would make Eldar players happy.
I'm disappointed but not surprised.

The only thing right now that 99% of Eldar players are unhappy about is the lack of release date Really, this is the most annoying thing with the Rountree's GW - having to wait an unspecified amount of time between the rumour/sneak peek/preview and the preorder. This was actually done better in the past, when models just showed up in WD and on the shelves pretty much at the same time. We already know there is an Avatar remake, we already know there is Maugan, we saw new Guardians, Rangers on foot and on bikes, the new Autarch and we want to buy them right this instant

 Crafter91 wrote:
Anybody else ever get like this? Pre-cursor; big whiny rant ahead

I'm a long time Eldar player.

AND THEN... GW announce a nice new spangly Eldar set and suddenly every man and his dog plans to collect them.

There should be a tax that if you want to start playing Eldar you have to fully paint and play with the old sculpts first

In all seriousness now... I guess what I don't want, more than anything, is to be thought of as a meta chaser because I have the 'in' army.

Hate the idea of people assuming I only play my beloved Craftworld minis because they're new or top tier (assuming they will be).

I've played them at their worst and hopefully look forward to also playing them at their best, but I have to be honest, if Craftworld players start popping up everywhere, I won't want to be among them. I'll end up packing them away until the hype wears off.

What kind of person does that make me? I know it's super salty of me, and I don't want to feel like that... I know i'm being daft! But If i'm being honest, I have to admit, it will bug me a bit.

I suppose it makes you a 40K hipster? Do you also hate it when a band that you "have been a fan of since the beginning" becomes popular?

As an aside at at the risk of summoning someone to the thread, Eldar have been quite strong for most of their existence in 40K. As recently as mid-8th Edition they were quite dominant. Model wise, though, I understand that Eldar players have been neglected. Now we will see if they will put their money on the table.

Enjoy the new sculpts and enjoy new people playing Eldar.

I got tired of my group chasing the meta and not being able to have good games that were fun without having to chase the meta with them, which is very expensive... so I sold out of my 40k stuff some time ago.

I just read the forums now watching things continue as they have always with the glimmer of tiny tiny hope that one day it wont be about chasing the meta anymore and that they sit down and actually make it so 2000 points is in the same ball park as my opponent's 2000 points so I don't need to buy new armies every six months to a year.

Just graduate to peak chaddum.
Just collect Titans

So, instead of ‘Fear of Missing Out’, it’s ‘Fear of Being Included’? :-)

Ha yeah this take seems totally opposite of most Eldar player response I am seeing which I would characterize as "rapturous" - as Nou posts above the major complaint is for god sakes when can we sign over our bank accounts to GW and get the models

 Crafter91 wrote:


In all seriousness now... I guess what I don't want, more than anything, is to be thought of as a meta chaser because I have the 'in' army.

News flash: Eldar have been top tier in almost every edition of the game.

YOU ARE THAT GUY. You always were that guy. Those Tau players everyone hated in 6th? You're them, only WORSE. Everyone hates you, they have hated you forever, and will hate you until the sun dies out, because you are an Eldar player, your army is unfair and an enemy to balance and fun. Even worse, your 20+ year old models look better than most modern sculpts and the modern Eldar sculpts will build on that genius and make your army look even better than ever. You and people like you complain about having to use ancient gorgeous metal models with awesome statlines that make other players weep with jealousy. You have no idea what it is to be trash tier and lose every game because the game designers don't give a toss about your faction, because there's always somebody at GW who is squee-ing over the Eldar range. And who can blame them, the range is gorgeous.

The sole complaint that you could make is that way, way back in the day that the metal Eldar War Walker was an affront to sanity because it could not be built without employing pacts with dark gods to get the damn thing to go together or stay together even with pins and the best adhesives money could buy. But GW fixed that, made beautiful plastic war walkers and even sold the things in boxes of three, because only Eldar players get nice things.

You're BITTER? Buddy, you don't know bitter. You don't even have taste buds capable of tasting bitter. Bitter is a fantasy you cannot even conceive of, you have lived a life of sunshine and roses and puppies. You are the chosen son, the favored child, the glorious golden boy and you don't even know it. Those people you're worried about? DON'T. They will buy the new Eldar, and then realize that their painting skills are not good enough for such glorious models and they were only making excuses for not buying metal/finecast models to cover their inherent insecurity over painting such beauty. You will buy their stuff for cheap a year or two later after they give up and post them on eBay, where your your decade of eBay experience awaits them. You will win again because that's all you've ever done, is win.

So shed your perfect glorious tears somewhere else, nobody wants to hear it. You're not a meta chaser, the META CHASES YOU.

"There are going to be some new people who stick around for the exploits, but more who buy a bunch and then abandon it because at the end of the day they're still a t3 infantry army in 9th edition."

Yes, because T3 infantry have been trash in 9th if you ignore Drukhari and AdMech breaking the game and Harlequins being good the entire edition.

 Crafter91 wrote:
What kind of person does that make me?

Contrarian. Just play your army, good or not, popular or not. You will be able to tune down your list if the army turns out to be OP, the real gameplan is hoping for thematic and fun mechanics since pts change every 6 months anyway and new codexes will sometimes just be super OP turning your previously OP faction in a joke.