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 Flipsiders wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:



And then again in the 3rd edition rulebook.

A bit off-topic, but: There's something super captivating and unnerving about having the most basic necron warrior listed as "unknown" in the core rulebook.
It would be great if they retained that sense of menace today, but alas, the ultramarines must have punched one too many c'tan.

There's a lot to be said about less polished art, 3rd edition had some great examples that made it feel like not even the Imperium knows what's going on.

There was also a faded pic of old style marine armor with a caption like "M32 Engraving of historic Space Marine".

 Strg Alt wrote:
When you are doing these new cyber-zombies don´t model them with stupid grinning faces like they botched the new version of the plague zombies. Shudder!

The Poxwalkers aren't botched - the grins are a side-effect of the specific disease they're infected with.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
When you are doing these new cyber-zombies don´t model them with stupid grinning faces like they botched the new version of the plague zombies. Shudder!

The Poxwalkers aren't botched - the grins are a side-effect of the specific disease they're infected with.

That´s a half-assed reason people pulled out of their butts to make the models suitable for Little Timmy. Up to now I have never seen a Romero-Zombie wear a stupid grin on his face.


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Hmm, those Enslavers need a reimagining. They resemble too much Beholders from D&D.

 Strg Alt wrote:
That´s a half-assed reason people pulled out of their butts to make the models suitable for Little Timmy. Up to now I have never seen a Romero-Zombie wear a stupid grin on his face.

Yeah because there's nothing horrifying about your former comrades rising from the dead with a massive grin plastered over their ruined faces. Nope, not at all. I'm sure it also has absolutely nothing to with the fact that Nurglites are portrayed as jolly and happy consistently throughout their background.

A Zebra Faction

Nurgle and humor have been paired from the beginning. Part of the horror of Nurgle isn't just the pox and mutations, it's the insanity the makes you like it. Nurgle is after all the daemon lord of hope as well as disease.

So yeah happy smiley zombies and Lord Fester or whatever his name is, is part of the whole deal.

Men of Iron / Androids / Skynet

Eldar exodites. They already have a notable presence in the lore, and spaces elves riding dinosaurs is even more metal than space robots (which are already covered by Necrons/admech robots).

 Gert wrote:
The robot army niche is filled by the Necrons. Only those within the courts of the Necron nobility have any semblance of the people they were prior to the Bio-transference.
All the Canoptek constructs and anything lower than a Lychguard/Praetorian are mindless machines slaved to the will of an Overlord and even then an Overlord can call on Command Protocols at any point to turn anything under them into a puppet of their will.

Really is that how the 9th edition of everyone's fav murder bots are set up?

Don't have any of the 9th edition codexs so I'm not all that up to date on the current factions of WH40k.

Kargan3033 wrote:
Really is that how the 9th edition of everyone's fav murder bots are set up?

Don't have any of the 9th edition codexs so I'm not all that up to date on the current factions of WH40k.

That's how they were in 5th Ed.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
different xenos species all fighting together alongside humans is very unique.

Well the Elder have *allied* with humanity before on very rare occasions if I remember rightly but those alliances where to the Elder benefit and maybe to humanity detriment and I'm not sure if the Tau and humanity allied to fight a greater menace but given the possibility of a galactic extinction event/menace I'm sure the humans, Elder, Tau and maybe the Orks would work together to save themselves from such a threat/menace.


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 Gert wrote:

Kargan3033 wrote:
Really is that how the 9th edition of everyone's fav murder bots are set up?

Don't have any of the 9th edition codexs so I'm not all that up to date on the current factions of WH40k.

That's how they were in 5th Ed.

Ah ok then, thanks for the heads up.

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 Grimtuff wrote:
A few more votes for Umbra, Enslavers, Rak'Gol and giant race, although I might be a bit biased there...

To tie into the Rak'Gol as well, not just more xenos, but Chaos xenos (of which the Rak'Gol are suspected to be, though no 100% confirmation is given). Give us some real weird stuff, like a race of molluscs or cephalopods. What would the latter pile high in the name of Khorne for example? These are the oddball questions that 40k of the past would throw at you for "your guys" and make you wonder about these truly alien cultures. The race like the Saruthi in the first Eisenhorn book are a good example of some ultra weird Chaos xenos and just how they perceive time.

Dude! I just had to jump on here and comment on those amazing conversions you did! I'm sure that the future race of space-giants will absolutely thank you for your service :-)

Cheers! Got some Umbra as well, made from several AOS endless spells.

@KK- You missed a couple more recent Enslaver pics.



There's this one, from the 3rd ed Creature Feature (the UK version, we never got the make your own beasties article like the US did).



This one, which is from (I believe) one of the Dark Heresy books. I based my conversion on both of those artworks. The colour scheme being inspired by that one.



Finally there's this one from that Liber Xenologis book that came out last(?) year.

 Grimtuff wrote:

@KK- You missed a couple more recent Enslaver pics.



There's this one, from the 3rd ed Creature Feature (the UK version, we never got the make your own beasties article like the US did).



This one, which is from (I believe) one of the Dark Heresy books. I based my conversion on both of those artworks. The colour scheme being inspired by that one.



Finally there's this one from that Liber Xenologis book that came out last(?) year.

Those sort of reminds me of the meatloaf I tried to make once.

Cheers! Good finds!

Codex Enslavers! Let's make it happen!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Cheers! Good finds!

Codex Enslavers! Let's make it happen!

Then let us earnestly pray to the RDGs that it will happen because I would love to see these brain munching warp spawned horrors come back to make everyone *happy*

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Nurgle and humor have been paired from the beginning. Part of the horror of Nurgle isn't just the pox and mutations, it's the insanity the makes you like it. Nurgle is after all the daemon lord of hope as well as disease.

So yeah happy smiley zombies and Lord Fester or whatever his name is, is part of the whole deal.

Nope, they haven´t. Retcon came along at some time in history and decreed that stupid grin on those models. I still own old Nurgling models from 3rd which don´t smile and my plague zombies are represented by non-GW minis. Wacky Nurgle models are as awful as Mutilators.

Nurgle being a happy lot has definitely been around since the beginning. He's just a big old lovable grandpa who wants to give you blacklung.

Its always been a sick perverted jovial thing.

 iGuy91 wrote:
Gonna be that guy here. To each their own but...

GW needs to look inward, refreshing model ranges, and updating their extremely old models with modern sculpts. There is real money to be made here. Admittedly, they're doing this now, but very slowly, and alongside yet even more new models with new kits.

GW needs to publish the modern rules to play their current armies, and adequately support these rules with regular FAQ, and additional mission content to keep the game fresh.

GW has not shown itself to be capable of supporting the current width and scope of the game in a competent manner.
We have armies in every shape and size, and the better argument in my mind, would be rolling some of the extremely niche units and rosters into more mainline rosters to bring the current birds nest of tiny niche factions back into the fold.

We do *not* need, or have room for another faction in 40k at this point.

this is the boring answer that i 100% agree with. (i would love for more cyber-body horror a la arco-flagellants and servitor type units to be added to already established lines)

but in a fantasy where we could have more factions, i would love to see dark mech. i would also love space skaven, maybe they can have some of those tarellian dog-soldiers too. a space skaven/gnollish army.

i would love for a coalition of alien races banding together out of desperation just for a chance of survival to exist. i would be okay if tau aux expanded and filled this role, but really i would like a dogs of war/mercenary force - a bunch of grizzled and ideologically opposed races having to, again, come together out of necessity for survival not because they want to or like each other. through this necessary combination of arms they sort of lose their own identity/culture.

some proper vampire representation.

i also think that new factions don't have to actually be galaxy spanning. they could have a rather small, modest holding out in the styx. ignored by the major players for any number of reason, from perceived as a non-threat (we'll take care of them later) to not perceived at all (the galaxy is a big place).

more cyber-body horror! more!

The xenos from the regicide or w.e they were called were the coolest thing to come out of 40k. Grim dark, Mechanical, cyborg bugs. Like if you mixed the tyranids and dark mechanicum.

I'd buy that faction in a heart beat.

 Strg Alt wrote:

Nope, they haven´t. Retcon came along at some time in history and decreed that stupid grin on those models. I still own old Nurgling models from 3rd which don´t smile and my plague zombies are represented by non-GW minis. Wacky Nurgle models are as awful as Mutilators.

Ah, well, 3rd edition, yes. That would seem to settle things. Except well...

Realms of Chaos 2 - Lost and the Damned (1990)



Aw look at those happy guys



Gimme a big smile papa!



Who's a happy Daemon Prince of rot and decay?



You are! Yes you are!

In all seriousness the Realms of Chaos books were full of accounts of Nurgle being the chaos dude with the sense of humor. His plague beasts running up to folks and giving them a big lick, his followers dancing as they died, nurglings playing pranks and jokes... Obviously your Nurgle guys can be as grimdark as you'd like but happy Nurgle is a thing too.

Thank you for proving my point. Those depictions of demons from old art can´t be described as being goofy or wacky. Having an opened mouth doesn´t qualify for expressing a forced silly smile as we have to endure nowadays whenever we lay eyes on a modern Nurgling.

One last thing: Not being over the top in regards to silliness doesn´t attribute to being automatically grimdark.

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 Pyroalchi wrote:
Only Tyranids could be picky when it comes to mercenaries but lore wise the later could just be infected with genestealers.

Tyranid Mind-Slaves were a thing in the distant past:

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Nice, this had a lot of potential, which codex and edition did this appear in?

Looks like a 2nd edition white dwarf to me?

I'd say late Rogue Trader period, given the sculpts and the formatting.

 Strg Alt wrote:
Thank you for proving my point. Those depictions of demons from old art can´t be described as being goofy or wacky. Having an opened mouth doesn´t qualify for expressing a forced silly smile as we have to endure nowadays whenever we lay eyes on a modern Nurgling.

One last thing: Not being over the top in regards to silliness doesn´t attribute to being automatically grimdark.

I'd agree with you on the last two, they just seem to have their mouths open, but the first two are clearly smiling with big wide grins under that mess of fleshy mass.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter when it started. Personally I find the dopy grins really unnerving, same way I like things like Made In Abyss where the cutesy art style belies the existential horror and dread of the subject matter. You don't have to agree obviously, everyone has their own tastes, but we already have Romero zombies if we want that, not everything needs to be exactly the same because it worked really well before. I like that they put a different spin on them and I find both versions creepy and unnerving, just in different ways.

I always figured it was a mix of nurgle mischievous and rictous grins, i like it, creepy.

 Strg Alt wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Nurgle and humor have been paired from the beginning. Part of the horror of Nurgle isn't just the pox and mutations, it's the insanity the makes you like it. Nurgle is after all the daemon lord of hope as well as disease.

So yeah happy smiley zombies and Lord Fester or whatever his name is, is part of the whole deal.

Nope, they haven´t. Retcon came along at some time in history and decreed that stupid grin on those models. I still own old Nurgling models from 3rd which don´t smile and my plague zombies are represented by non-GW minis. Wacky Nurgle models are as awful as Mutilators.

No, you're wrong. You're just as wrong as when I pointed out this fact to you THREE YEARS AGO. I suggest you stop tilting at that particlur windmill...

 Strg Alt wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
When you are doing these new cyber-zombies don´t model them with stupid grinning faces like they botched the new version of the plague zombies. Shudder!

The Poxwalkers aren't botched - the grins are a side-effect of the specific disease they're infected with.

That´s a half-assed reason people pulled out of their butts to make the models suitable for Little Timmy. Up to now I have never seen a Romero-Zombie wear a stupid grin on his face.

Good job the Poxwalkers aren't regular Romero-esque zombies, then, isn't it? For the most recent interpretation of that trope, try the Deadwalker Zombies from AOS, which don't feature the manic grin of the Poxwalker.

As the unit they were when introduced - and pointedly not a generic Plague Zombie - they're victims of a specific disease, the Walking Pox, and the rictus grin is a side effect of that infection. That you don't like it means sweet FA - it is an established element of Poxwalkers, just like the jolliness is of Nurgle himself, and the boisterousness of Beasts of Nurgle.

As for the men of iron you can bring them back by having them return to the home galaxy after they fled to once the war turned against with all sorts of new weapons, tech and a host of cyborg slave that they turned other organic life forms into if they reached another galaxy as the war was coming to a close.

Men of Iron would be too big a threat to bring in. They were War in Heaven Necrons levels of strength. Star destroying weapons, world consumers, gravity weapons, and self-replicating nanite swarms that would cover entire planets.
People keep forgetting that the Cybernetic Revolt almost ended the galaxy, not just Mankind. It wasn't some small isolated incident and the Imperium doesn't have the technology to stop a proper return of the Men of Iron like the Golden Age Humans did even if the other races of the galaxy helped like they did during the Cybernetic Revolt.
What's more, the Men of Iron weren't just machines. They were fully functioning true A.I. that could make their own choices and had their own emotions. If the Necrons hacked their central command processes they could come closer to their original height of power. The Chaos Gods could corrupt the Men of Iron and finally gain dominion over the galaxy. Adding them in either ends the galaxy or just brings more stalemates.