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2022/01/22 11:07:28
Subject: I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
vict0988 wrote: If you're not a mindless meta drone then bring 0 NDK and pick whatever Brotherhood is best for Terminators and spam them.
The current GK meta is not only DKs, but also interceptors, sometimes 30 of them.
My then-list had zero.
You are just antagonizing me at this point. I am not your enemy.
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2022/01/22 11:33:07
Subject: Re:I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
Sim-Life wrote: Can we get some clarification on what is considered WAAC and what is considered a thematic list that got lucky because GW cannot into rules?
The difference lies in intention, attitude and player investment.
Designer's Note: Hardened Veterans can be represented by any Imperial Guard models, but we've really included them to allow players to practise their skills at making a really unique and individual unit. Because of this we won't be making models to represent many of the options allowed to a Veteran squad - it's up to you to convert the models. (Imperial Guard, 3rd Edition)
2022/01/22 11:44:54
Subject: Re:I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
Sim-Life wrote: Can we get some clarification on what is considered WAAC and what is considered a thematic list that got lucky because GW cannot into rules?
The difference lies in intention, attitude and player investment.
But as I said, with how GW does rules if my intention was to make a nidzilla list focussing on fexes, then GW decided AFTER I built my army that fexes should be OP, does that make me WAAC? If I bring my nidzilla list that I've been playing for two editions to game night and play a stranger who doesn't know I've been playing that list Before It Was Cool and he calls me WAAC is that fair? And its not like its even the case that I need to have been playing for years, it could have just been literal months (because Seasons are a thing now I guess) before GW decided to change something that makes the list OP thats out of my control.
To me the goal of a competitive player should be being good at the game, not being good with one list. That means being able to field multiple build and probably multiple armies at events. Especially if you mostly or only play simulators, with free access to every possible combination of units.
And to some people having one list, tweaking it over time to exactly your playstyle and knowing all the ins and outs and how that list should react to different situations is what they want. A major reason I stopped playing Warmachine was because I loved having a single list I could make small adjustments to, play incredibly well and I knew how to play on a competitive level. OP is in the same situation as I was when WMH killed how I liked to play the game and I don't think its fair people are jumping down his throat about it.
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2022/01/22 12:03:51
Subject: I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
To me, I not only want to win at that level, but do so in a unique way. Not only did I make terminators work, but the list was actually good. Also, this is my first time playing as a GK fan.
Does this make more sense now?
Still no . You can still win at that level and in a unique way, probably even with the same faction. Just not in that way. You can figure out how to make other units works or even the same units but using different tactics and combos, the GK codex is pretty good.
2022/01/22 12:13:16
Subject: I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
To me, I not only want to win at that level, but do so in a unique way. Not only did I make terminators work, but the list was actually good. Also, this is my first time playing as a GK fan.
Does this make more sense now?
Still no .
OK, thanks for trying.
2022/01/22 12:14:14
Subject: Re:I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
And to some people having one list, tweaking it over time to exactly your playstyle and knowing all the ins and outs and how that list should react to different situations is what they want. A major reason I stopped playing Warmachine was because I loved having a single list I could make small adjustments to, play incredibly well and I knew how to play on a competitive level. OP is in the same situation as I was when WMH killed how I liked to play the game and I don't think its fair people are jumping down his throat about it.
People who own one list and are not willing to expand any further should stay away from competitive gaming, simple. If people are able to play the very same competitive list forever we'd only have an extremely selected array on lists at some point, everyone would play the same things and every game would be pretty identical and boring.
OP didn't even had this problem as he mostly play with simulators.
2022/01/22 12:21:28
Subject: Re:I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
I think the issue some people have with your announcement is that it reads like a temper tantrum against GW doing what GW does. Since the start of 8th Edition, GW has been steadily adjusting the balance levers of the game. What was good or even possible at one point of the game has changed to be average, bad, or just not possible. Your list was depended upon a specific balance of units and rules and it just can't be done now. If that is going to elicit a rage quit, you are playing the wrong game when you picked competitive 40K.
Beyond that, I'm sure some of them are needling you. This is the internet after all
2022/01/22 12:34:34
Subject: Re:I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
alextroy wrote: I think the issue some people have with your announcement is that it reads like a temper tantrum against GW doing what GW does. Since the start of 8th Edition, GW has been steadily adjusting the balance levers of the game. What was good or even possible at one point of the game has changed to be average, bad, or just not possible. Your list was depended upon a specific balance of units and rules and it just can't be done now. If that is going to elicit a rage quit, you are playing the wrong game when you picked competitive 40K.
Beyond that, I'm sure some of them are needling you. This is the internet after all
If I even suspected they would do something this drastic SO early in the new edition, I wouldn't have spent so much time.
I knew 4 DK max was on the table, but also HALF my army? feth jesus.
We are in the early balance phase of this edition, and it's already a flaming mess. No thanks.
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2022/01/22 12:37:57
Subject: I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
Early? The edition has almost been out for almost 2 years already and we've already had multiple balance changes.
Like you haven't even bought any of these models. I get that your potential idea isn't possible but fething hell, Edition changes bring more upheaval than this and we're on our 9th one of those so far. You have spent 0 money, 0 time assembling, 0 time painting so your histrionics in your OP are what people are mocking you for.
Nazi punks feth off
2022/01/22 12:39:28
Subject: Re:I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
And to some people having one list, tweaking it over time to exactly your playstyle and knowing all the ins and outs and how that list should react to different situations is what they want. A major reason I stopped playing Warmachine was because I loved having a single list I could make small adjustments to, play incredibly well and I knew how to play on a competitive level. OP is in the same situation as I was when WMH killed how I liked to play the game and I don't think its fair people are jumping down his throat about it.
People who own one list and are not willing to expand any further should stay away from competitive gaming, simple.
Nice gatekeeping.
2022/01/22 12:40:47
Subject: I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
Wait hold on, OP do you have this list you supposedly can't use anymore? Like have you actually bought and used this list in an IRL tournament or is this all just in simulators?
But that's like complaining about your sports team being bad if they don't change their team roster every so often. You can't just expect something to be 100% amazing forever especially if its doing well in a meta.
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2022/01/22 12:41:36
Subject: Re:I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
Bosskelot wrote: Early? The edition has almost been out for almost 2 years already and we've already had multiple balance changes.
You have spent 0 money, 0 time assembling, 0 time painting so your histrionics in your OP are what people are mocking you for.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
I don't care about your hatred toward me, and I get that you want me to just "shut up" but my goal here isn't to convince YOU personally, but to be heard, and every time you keep trying to punch me down, you're just helping my cause that much more.
Thank you.
2022/01/22 12:43:02
Subject: Re:I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
aphyon wrote: We solved this problem a while ago because our group plays 5th edition and i use my GKs the way they were intended-to aid imperial forces when fighting chaos or demonic forces. not as a stand alone full army. i still use the 3rd ed GK codex as it does the force in the way the lore describes them.
Spoiler:
I run a grand master with a 9 terminator retinue (and occasionally one of the assassins, since i own all four). and he joins my space marines or my mechanicus force as needed to spice up the army lists.
We have a guy in our group building a stormtrooper themed inquisitorial force out of the same codex.
To the wider point GW have become as a company that is why i play so many other games (see my sig) or editions of 40K where GW isn't involved to Feth things up anymore.
Exalted for doing things right.
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2022/01/22 12:43:21
Subject: Re:I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
OP didn't even had this problem as he mostly play with simulators.
It's almost like you don't know what you're talking about and are just antagonizing me because there's NO way I could be right about this.
Not at all. I haven't said a single negative thing about you, in no way I'm antagonizing you. Since you shared your thoughts I was just interested to understand your point of view and replied to other posters in the same discussion.
Right and wrong are entirely subjective concepts, I'd never tell you're doing it wrong. Or what you're expecting from the 40k is wrong. But maybe unusual, uncommon, strange or that needs to be clarified to understand it properly. In 23+ years of 40k I've never met someone that wanted to play competitive 40k with a single one everlasting list so far and was pissed off when GW released a few minor changes.
2022/01/22 12:44:30
Subject: I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
Gert wrote: Wait hold on, OP do you have this list you supposedly can't use anymore? Like have you actually bought and used this list in an IRL tournament or is this all just in simulators?
The TTS Discord has a seasonal Alpha League and I had a moderate amount of success this season.
I also did the @LFG_Competitive scene for a while before practicing more with friends.
2022/01/22 12:47:08
Subject: Re:I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
And to some people having one list, tweaking it over time to exactly your playstyle and knowing all the ins and outs and how that list should react to different situations is what they want. A major reason I stopped playing Warmachine was because I loved having a single list I could make small adjustments to, play incredibly well and I knew how to play on a competitive level. OP is in the same situation as I was when WMH killed how I liked to play the game and I don't think its fair people are jumping down his throat about it.
People who own one list and are not willing to expand any further should stay away from competitive gaming, simple.
Nice gatekeeping.
It's the opposite. Playing with a very restricted array of lists is gatekeeping. It prevents players from joining the competitive scene as it's an extremely boring game and someone would never be able to field their beloved armies at all if they're not among those few top tiers. Others could do but only lists that dislike. Is this really what people want?
People who demand everything now (and forever) don't contribute positively to the community. This is an hobby that is supposed to grow over time. To me it's completely reasonable to be able to compete at events after years into the hobby.
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2022/01/22 12:47:15
Subject: Re:I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
OP didn't even had this problem as he mostly play with simulators.
It's almost like you don't know what you're talking about and are just antagonizing me because there's NO way I could be right about this.
Not at all. I haven't said a single negative thing about you, in no way I'm antagonizing you. Since you shared your thoughts I was just interested to understand your point of view and replied to other posters in the same discussion.
Right and wrong are entirely subjective concepts, I'd never tell you're doing it wrong. Or what you're expecting from the 40k is wrong. But maybe unusual, uncommon, strange or that needs to be clarified to understand it properly. In 23+ years of 40k I've never met someone that wanted to play competitive 40k with a single one everlasting list so far and was pissed off when GW released a few minor changes.
Nothing about my list was everlasting. It's been modified many times, but has relied on a BASE system that I thought would not be touched. My disappointment is manifest in this thread.
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2022/01/22 12:47:47
Subject: I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
I'm trying to understand the anger and from my perspective you crafted a list using simulators, intended to buy said list, the list now needs to change which you don't like and now you're quitting 40k. It seems like an overreaction when you can still seemingly run most of the list unchanged and just make some minor adjustments. I'm not saying your experience doesn't matter but the level of anger I'm seeing would generally make sense from someone who had invested into the army, not someone who at most bought a Codex and a Rulebook.
You do you chief but you need to see the perspective that others are seeing instead of just assuming everyone is out to get you.
2022/01/22 12:58:10
Subject: I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
Gert wrote: It seems like an overreaction when you can still seemingly run most of the list unchanged and just make some minor adjustments. I'm not saying your experience doesn't matter but the level of anger I'm seeing would generally make sense from someone who had invested into the army, not someone who at most bought a Codex and a Rulebook.
You do you chief but you need to see the perspective that others are seeing instead of just assuming everyone is out to get you.
You'd think that, and I say this in the least offensive way possible, but you'd be wrong.
I've been in battlescribe trying so hard to make something work, but I can't without making huge point sacs or losing 3 CP because of the Warlord logistics. The way I hammered this list out, it took advantage and min maxed all the slots available.
You really need to understand that this is more a morale hit than a practical one. I spent so much time and energy making it work and now it's just gone. gg.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Here's the list btw if anyone cares. It's going to become a relic anyway:
Brotherhood Chaplain [8 PL, 140pts]: 5: Warp Shaping, 6. Invocation of Focus, Foretelling of Locus
Grand Master in Nemesis Dreadknight [11 PL, 230pts]: 1: Gate of Infinity, 2: Empyric Amplification, Dreadfist, Dreadknight teleporter, Gatling Psilencer, Gem of Inoktu, Heavy Psycannon, Nemesis Greatsword, Sigil of Exigence
Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)
Brotherhood: Preservers
Detachment Bonuses: Show Bonuses
Detachment Command Cost
+ Stratagems +
Armoury of Titan [-1CP]: 1 Additional Relic
+ HQ +
Grand Master in Nemesis Dreadknight [11 PL, -1CP, 235pts]: 1: Gate of Infinity, 2: Empyric Amplification, 3: Unyielding Anvil, 4: First to the Fray, Dreadfist, Dreadknight teleporter, Exemplar of the Silver Host, Gatling Psilencer, Heavy Psycannon, Nemesis Greatsword, Servant of the Throne, Warlord
That’s the nature of Matched Play if you min/max. Really is a problem you brought on yourself. Collect the models you like as the meta shifts in Matched Play. Or min/max if that’s your bag but don’t get salty when things change… as they do several times a year. I hadn’t even clocked in the OP that you haven’t even bought the models… the only thing you’ve lost is some time on BattleScribe, welllllll that really is a non-problem and why you’re getting heat for an attention thread.
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
2022/01/22 13:41:57
Subject: I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
JohnnyHell wrote: That’s the nature of Matched Play if you min/max. Really is a problem you brought on yourself. Collect the models you like as the meta shifts in Matched Play. Or min/max if that’s your bag but don’t get salty when things change… as they do several times a year. I hadn’t even clocked in the OP that you haven’t even bought the models… the only thing you’ve lost is some time on BattleScribe, welllllll that really is a non-problem and why you’re getting heat for an attention thread.
You really have not-enough idea. It would have been better if you said nothing at all.
Being loud is the point here.
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2022/01/22 13:51:57
Subject: I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
Dude, pot kettle. You're getting angry because your hypothetical list that you don't have any models for has been changed but you chose to play competitive and if you were as in depth with a competitive community then you should understand that when you play with fire you might get burned.
There's no need to be abrasive and rude with people who have been trying to understand your situation and are giving their opinion.
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2022/01/22 13:55:02
Subject: I am quitting 40k for the foreseeable future.
Gert wrote: Dude, pot kettle. You're getting angry because your hypothetical list that you don't have any models for has been changed but you chose to play competitive and if you were as in depth with a competitive community then you should understand that when you play with fire you might get burned.
There's no need to be abrasive and rude with people who have been trying to understand your situation and are giving their opinion.
When you alter the CORE RULES midway through an edition, you're going to have unintended bad feelings. I am but ONE example among many. I'm reading the threads. They're making up the rules as they go. No, I choose not to partake, and they need to know about it.
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as a company that is why i play so many other games (see my sig) or editions of 
