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Local gaming club to me just put up a post asking people to message them to take deposits for Eldritch Omens

They mentioned the RRP in passing - and I REALLY hope they're wrong...

Who is excited about the Eldritch Omens box?
We've already had enquiries regarding pre-ordering, so if you are interested, please get in touch to secure one!
We will be selling for £100 (£125 RRP so saving you 20%)

£125???

This is 16 models with no terrain and no rules.

The new Fury of the Deep box for AOS is £105 and features 43 minis, a mini core rule book and scroll cards

Hexfire was £105. Shadowthrone was £105.

I'm an Eldar player and am eagerly awaiting the release of this box, but £125 is an absolute joke and i'm starting to lose my patience with GW and their pricing.

Please, somebody tell me that this gaming club is wrong!?

I can't tell you that, Dave.

Well consider that each half is probably going to be £100 in value

Autarch £20 - 25
Rangers £32.5 - 35
Ranger Jetbikes £40+ at least

Chaos are likely about the same with a character model, troop model and the forgefiend is in the £40s.


So with both halves being around £100 in retail value, £125 is a nice price with £100 from 3rd parties being about right for that kind of box.

Yah. Little rich for my blood. I’m still planning on getting all the Eldar in the box, but will be getting them separately. If the deal was a little better, I might have sprung for it. Figure the Chaos might eventually get paint, and I want all the shiny stuff NOW.

But at this price, I can get the 3 kits I want now, or ~4 kits later. And I know there are more things I want down the pipe.

Man... people really thought GW wouldn't rip everyone off with this.

 Overread wrote:
Well consider that each half is probably going to be £100 in value

Stop. Making. Excuses for them.

I'm probably just being bitter.

All friends in my gaming circle have bought the last few boxes while I have patiently waited for Eldar to get their turn - they finally do and it's £20 more - for seemingly no reason.

It's just infuriating...

Yeah as I said in the other thread, it's a decent discount on the likely separate cost of a bunch of new kits, but for me the twenty quid increase pushes it out of impulse buy territory.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Man... people really thought GW wouldn't rip everyone off with this.

 Overread wrote:
Well consider that each half is probably going to be £100 in value

Stop. Making. Excuses for them.

It's not an excuse, I simply looked at what prices GW generally charges today for those kind of models and added them up. That's not excusing the prices its just looking at what GW charges today and being practical with the likely costs. It doesn't mean I'm happy with those prices, just that those are the most likely prices GW is going to charge.

Oh no! Now this Eldar release won't count either.

Honestly the price difference is probably because this is mostly new stuff. They think they can get away with it, and unfortunately they are probably right. The recent £105 boxes have actually been pretty decent value, costing about half the price of the individual components.
This box looks like it will give somewhere in the region of a 30% discount which isn't great.

Content matches the average Combat Patrol box (110€) for 155€, so basically these are no longer discount bundles, just coercion to buy more than you need to get new stuff early.

 Crafter91 wrote:
I'm probably just being bitter.

All friends in my gaming circle have bought the last few boxes while I have patiently waited for Eldar to get their turn - they finally do and it's £20 more - for seemingly no reason.

It's just infuriating...

The entire box, barring one model, is new.

It sucks that it's more...but it happens? It's hard to compare these "new, unreleased kits" pricewise to things that are already out there. Matters aren't helped when those previously released boxes contain items that people have lamented as being heavily priced to start with like was the case with Fury of the Deep or Shadow Throne.

 Overread wrote:
Well consider that each half is probably going to be £100 in value

Autarch £20 - 25
Rangers £32.5 - 35
Ranger Jetbikes £40+ at least

Chaos are likely about the same with a character model, troop model and the forgefiend is in the £40s.


So with both halves being around £100 in retail value, £125 is a nice price with £100 from 3rd parties being about right for that kind of box.

Wut, why would Rangers be that expensive? It's a 5 elf squad and they're troops. And same with Jetbikes, why would 3 bikes cost more than a Forgefiend? I know they won't be as cheap as Windriders (...not that Windriders are cheap), but I think it's an exaggeration to say this is 100 GBP of value per side.


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The other issue here when comparing to Combat Patrol and other boxes is that those are all one army. With Eldritch Omens, you basically only get Combat Patrol-like pricing if you seek out somebody to split the box with or want and play both armies. Making the weak discount even worse.

And to those pointing out the newness of the models, that didn't stop GW from throwing healthy discounts on Dark Imperium, Shadowspear, and Indomitus. Why is it just Craftworlds who gets saddled with the awful discount boxes?

Well given the price of the Banshees, £32.50, that seems like a reasonable estimation for the Rangers.

What exactly is the reasoning for new model releases to be more expensive?

 Dagstyrr wrote:
What exactly is the reasoning for new model releases to be more expensive?

$$$

because that's how GW handles inflation & other cost increases rather than the old method or repricing everything once a year like they used to fo

(although they do occasionally boost the prices of old kits especially if they get a rebox)

so for a box of 10 40K troops the price of a new kit will most likely be the same or more expensive than the most recent box of 10 troops

 Overread wrote:
It's not an excuse, I simply looked at what prices GW generally charges today for those kind of models and added them up. That's not excusing the prices its just looking at what GW charges today and being practical with the likely costs. It doesn't mean I'm happy with those prices, just that those are the most likely prices GW is going to charge.

You have to see it from their point of view, H.B.M.C is always right and anyone who disagrees is a shill. It's really simple.

SamusDrake wrote:
Well given the price of the Banshees, £32.50, that seems like a reasonable estimation for the Rangers.

Everybody balked at the Banshee pricing when they were released, and then we all rationalized it with the (flimsy) justification that that was because Banshees are elite (not really in rules right now, mind you, but not the point). Rangers are not elites, they are troops and remain troops. That price point for a 5 model troop unit that doesn't do a whole heck of a lot (now, and likely still with the new rules) is pretty absurd.

 Dagstyrr wrote:
What exactly is the reasoning for new model releases to be more expensive?

Probably just GW taking the mickey and knowing they can get away with it.

 Gert wrote:
You have to see it from their point of view, H.B.M.C is always right and anyone who disagrees is a shill. It's really simple.

I've never said that. Don't do that.

Are they still selling more than they can manufacture?

Why would anyone have to defend them charging what the market is obviously willing to bare?

 Dagstyrr wrote:
What exactly is the reasoning for new model releases to be more expensive?

To quickly recoup the cost of the mould, designer and all those new pixels that they have to harvest to create the webpage....they don't grow on trees you know and they cannot be reused...

GW pushing to get higher returns for the next cycle.

It's expensive, but I'm interested in the box. I want everything on the Chaos side and the Eldar stuff is nice to have as a little painting project.

It's a saving on the contents.

It's also more expensive than previous comparable boxes, but we know that GW does this, so I'm not sure where the outrage is coming from.

I'll be getting it. If you want something from it and don't want to pay the £100 price tag then don't buy it and wait for the individual releases, they won't take too long. If you're desperate for now plastic Guardians or new plastic Chosen then what are a few more months on top of the decades we've already waited??

Is this "shilling" or am I just being practical? I can't tell anymore.

 Nevelon wrote:
Yah. Little rich for my blood. I’m still planning on getting all the Eldar in the box, but will be getting them separately. If the deal was a little better, I might have sprung for it. Figure the Chaos might eventually get paint, and I want all the shiny stuff NOW.

But at this price, I can get the 3 kits I want now, or ~4 kits later. And I know there are more things I want down the pipe.

3 now or 4 at higher price later? Doesn't match up. You seriously expect separate releaes to be cheaper than discount box whose point is to be cheaper than separate releases? Lol.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Gert wrote:
You have to see it from their point of view, H.B.M.C is always right and anyone who disagrees is a shill. It's really simple.

I've never said that. Don't do that.

Stop. Making. Excuses for yourself.

 Dagstyrr wrote:
What exactly is the reasoning for new model releases to be more expensive?

The corporate pursuit of endless growth and always higher profits every month, in favor of mere sustainability.

 Dagstyrr wrote:
What exactly is the reasoning for new model releases to be more expensive?

Because as this thread shows, people are readily willing to lap it up no matter what.

 Overread wrote:
Well consider that each half is probably going to be £100 in value

The word you're looking for is "cost". Value is subjective but I question the judgement of anyone looking at that box and thinking it represents good value.

Between the recent CA and this box it's been a week of complete misses from GW on the price front.

tneva82 wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Yah. Little rich for my blood. I’m still planning on getting all the Eldar in the box, but will be getting them separately. If the deal was a little better, I might have sprung for it. Figure the Chaos might eventually get paint, and I want all the shiny stuff NOW.

But at this price, I can get the 3 kits I want now, or ~4 kits later. And I know there are more things I want down the pipe.

3 now or 4 at higher price later? Doesn't match up. You seriously expect separate releaes to be cheaper than discount box whose point is to be cheaper than separate releases? Lol.

I’m discounting the chaos. I don’t know anyone local who wants to split the box, and don’t do ebay.

From my (Eldar) point of view, this box is spending ~$200 for 3 kits I want. That same money will get me ~4 kits later.

If this box was $150-$175ish, I would have grabbed it, despite not caring about the chaos half. I’d pay a little bit extra for getting it now, rather than in 4-8 months, and might eventually do something with the chaos.