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 NAVARRO wrote:
Oh man you are still debating the same "bland" no theme thing? Over and over again? Repeating the same things doesn't make them more visible or worth debating by the contrary just makes them easier to ignore.

Are you daring to imply news is more than 5% actual news and 95% mindless debate and counter debates and counter counter debates of people debating their previous debate? Heresy!

Well, the helmets look a bit derpy, tbh. But if they have separate heads from the torso, it won't really be much of a problem.

The guns are stupid as feth, though.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
They have the option of a full mask. It looks like the same visor with an additional armour section covering the lower face.

Yeah I quite like those two helmets - I wonder if there will be any options in the kit. They are quite fun- they look like a design concept that didn't make the cut for the full range but would work as an offshoot. I think they could be fun to kit bash with kharadron and probably the Votann kits when they arrive. In the meantime I might pick one set up to try out paint schemes for the Kin.


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 Sikil wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

We have seen 4 units (excluding the prospectors) to some extent, enough to get an idea of what they're going for in terms of the Kyn themselves. Their vehicles may be another matter, but the Kyn don't look like they have a substantial, unique take on the Dwarf archetype in the same the Kharadron Overlords do with their steampunk-esque style and armoured beard helmets. Instead it's lots of big bulky suits of generic sci-fi armour and little in the way of Dwarf aesthetics. The coat and aviator theming on the Pioneer is good, but underneath it's again that bland armour and it just looks out of place with the clothing.

Grendlesen and to some extent the Ironhead prospectors both feel like a better take on them overall. They both feel a more interesting representation of Sci-fi Dwarfs.

I disagree! I do like the new direction with clean armour, normal beards and more scifi feel. I wouldnt want the old theme being brought back with half-sized biker-dudes... This is soo much better imo!

That being said, the trike-lass in a trenchcoat over her armour do look good. Too good... (will have to get two, to convert one up to a dismounted leader/heroine... )

Totally agree - I found Grendleson to be a bit of cliché and I'm so happy with how GW went somewhere new and fresh. I was thinking n the back of a "the squats will get a killteam eventually" rumour - we might see a Pioneers team on foot like scouts? Could be cool with portable tech and those long coats.

I for one dont like the new "squads"for necromunda, im happy they did make the lov good looking.

So are cloneskeins how the Squats will be divided up by faction? If you're this type of cloneskein, you can reroll your first hit, or something?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/10/the-lore-of-the-leagues-who-are-the-kin-and-where-do-they-come-from/


Uh... what?
That came out of left field.

Not just the cloning (and super cloning without negative side effects or limitations on the genepool, because whatever. Necrontyr were just dummies, I guess), but

Such was the craft of the First Ancestors that even Kin souls are engineered - they shine more dimly against the tides of the warp than their distant human cousins, with no evidence of uncontrolled psychic mutation

what? Just... what?

'In the ancient past, someone entirely solved the one huge ginormous pressing problem of life, souls and the warp in the entire 40k universe.'
Job done guys.
Everything the Emperor ever did was pointless, because the squat engineers solved the psychic awakening of the species. No bigs, they just fixed it.
Fall of the Eldar? Nah. Should've gone with cloning. No problems, just turn down your glow.

I am... amused? Bemused?

Squats seem to be getting a reboot of a quality that would make Hollywood blush in shame.

Ah, so that's how they came back from being ate.

There was a few of them that cloned each other to hell and back.

I wonder if our first LoV book will be Cawl going to steal everything the Squats have.

Voss wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/10/the-lore-of-the-leagues-who-are-the-kin-and-where-do-they-come-from/


Uh... what?
That came out of left field.

Not just the cloning (and super cloning without negative side effects or limitations on the genepool, because whatever. Necrontyr were just dummies, I guess), but

Such was the craft of the First Ancestors that even Kin souls are engineered - they shine more dimly against the tides of the warp than their distant human cousins, with no evidence of uncontrolled psychic mutation

what? Just... what?

'In the ancient past, someone entirely solved the one huge ginormous pressing problem of life, souls and the warp in the entire 40k universe.'
Job done guys.
Everything the Emperor ever did was pointless, because the squat engineers solved the psychic awakening of the species. No bigs, they just fixed it.
Fall of the Eldar? Nah. Should've gone with cloning. No problems, just turn down your glow.

Hasn't that been how Dark Eldar do it though? If they die, their mates bring them back to the Haemonculi they bought insurance with.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I wonder if our first LoV book will be Cawl going to steal everything the Squats have.

At this point, it will be Cawl stealing the League equivalent of pennies and broken lightbulbs.

I rather like the new background. It shines a light on humanity’s capabilities before Old Night. Not suited to a particular atmosphere, but still want to give it the old British Plundering? Just…tinker with your kiddo’s genetic make up so they are suited to the atmosphere etc.

Which also suggests the ancestors of Felinids were indeed just Space Weebs who wanted Cat Girls and it all got out of hand.

 Arbitrator wrote:

Voss wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/10/the-lore-of-the-leagues-who-are-the-kin-and-where-do-they-come-from/


Uh... what?
That came out of left field.

Not just the cloning (and super cloning without negative side effects or limitations on the genepool, because whatever. Necrontyr were just dummies, I guess), but

Such was the craft of the First Ancestors that even Kin souls are engineered - they shine more dimly against the tides of the warp than their distant human cousins, with no evidence of uncontrolled psychic mutation

what? Just... what?

'In the ancient past, someone entirely solved the one huge ginormous pressing problem of life, souls and the warp in the entire 40k universe.'
Job done guys.
Everything the Emperor ever did was pointless, because the squat engineers solved the psychic awakening of the species. No bigs, they just fixed it.
Fall of the Eldar? Nah. Should've gone with cloning. No problems, just turn down your glow.

Hasn't that been how Dark Eldar do it though? If they die, their mates bring them back to the Haemonculi they bought insurance with.

Not exactly. Dark eldar do... something to supress their psychic abilities and to avoid getting eaten they stuff their souls back into a copy of their own bodies. Dark eldar Bob is always Bob and every frantic murder-urge is to maintain his Bob-self in the face of a very hungry Entropy.

The squats apparently had the foresight to make themselves look unappetizing to the warp, stop uncontrolled psyker shenanigans from ever happening AND have clones with endless genetic diversity because SuperTech. (usually the trope with clones is genetic stagnation). They've basically solved the setting.

Sure, they solved the setting if one ignores the endless hungry hive fleets, the unbelievable advanced and pissed off Necrons, or the omnipresent Ork infestations.

At most they solved Chaos, except Chaos has only really been a problem for humanity and the Eldar, with everyone else being several degrees of resistant if not outright immune.

 Tyran wrote:
Sure, they solved the setting if one ignores the endless hungry hive fleets, the unbelievable advanced and pissed off Necrons, or the omnipresent Ork infestations.

At most they solved Chaos, except Chaos has only really been a problem for humanity and the Eldar, with everyone else being several degrees of resistant if not outright immune.

I've never seen someone dismiss the central conflict of the setting with 'but the normal, purely physical wars are the real problem' before. That's novel.


Also, necrons. Are they advanced? Not even 'unbelievably advanced,' are they even advanced at all anymore? Or are they stuck with some decent tech that pretty much everyone can match now? Tau can blow up daemons (and other opponents of the war in heaven) with chunks of super-fast iron, and have energy weapons and ships that can match necron tech. Humanity isn't quite there, but is close enough (and can rip open the warp if insane enough, which the necrons can't really deal with).

The squats, by comparison can safely make themselves psychically active, have warp travel ["only those with the appropriate psychically active cloneskein can activate the so-called barrier-tech the Kin employ to access the empyrean,"] two things the necrons have never, ever managed. And take a gander at that last image, of a planet being drawn into some sort of Stellar Forge array. Necrons, eh? Piffle.

Nice stargate tho

 Tyran wrote:
Sure, they solved the setting if one ignores the endless hungry hive fleets, the unbelievable advanced and pissed off Necrons, or the omnipresent Ork infestations.

At most they solved Chaos, except Chaos has only really been a problem for humanity and the Eldar, with everyone else being several degrees of resistant if not outright immune.

Well, this clearly isn’t the whole of the thing.

Lose your Ancestor Core, lose your past and future. Even if you switch to regular baby making, your entire society is going to be heavily disrupted, as you’re down to rolling the old genetic dice, and hoping for the best.

And that’s without any other downside that may be yet to arrive.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I rather like the new background. It shines a light on humanity’s capabilities before Old Night. Not suited to a particular atmosphere, but still want to give it the old British Plundering? Just…tinker with your kiddo’s genetic make up so they are suited to the atmosphere etc.

Which also suggests the ancestors of Felinids were indeed just Space Weebs who wanted Cat Girls and it all got out of hand.

Man I am loving the direction they’re going with Kin. Can’t wait to see more!

So they deliberately engineered themselves to not have beards always all the time?

What an utter insult to dwarves across universes smh

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So they deliberately engineered themselves to not have beards always all the time?

What an utter insult to dwarves across universes smh

Just as well they’re not Dwarves

Voss wrote:


I've never seen someone dismiss the central conflict of the setting with 'but the normal, purely physical wars are the real problem' before. That's novel.

Well if GW wanted it to be the central conflict of the setting, they shouldn't have included 3 purely physical factions, 2 of them with a "they win when the real hive fleet arrives/when all the tomb worlds wake up" theme.

And specially when one of them literally has an "I turn off the Warp" button.

Or you know, the Leagues of Votann who join the majority of the factions in the setting that don't particularly care about Chaos.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So they deliberately engineered themselves to not have beards always all the time?

What an utter insult to dwarves across universes smh

Just as well they’re not Dwarves

Correct.

They're dwarfs.



Or at least they should be if GW wants to tie them to the Squats of old.

It's perfect grimdark for 40K,

The League has everything the Emperor would have needed to render Humanity dark to the warp and prevent the inherent corruption and ruin it brings

but nope, the Squats could see what would happen if the info got out and kept it to themselves

there was a way out and it was thrown away

"advanced" is a relative term, as well.

Someone was complaining that the Kin appear to be more "advanced" than Necrons in some aspects, but , well, Necrons have been asleep for millions of years and the rest of the galaxy hasn't.

I think some aren't seeing the forest for the trees. In every faction there's some kind of "advancement", but there's also grave costs they pay. That's what makes the setting "grimdark".

Every faction that seems to burn brightest for a time falls hard (see: Necrons, Eldar, and currently Imperium of Man).

I think there is something else to this selective cloning that is not yet revealed.

But I would love to know what they were doing during Crusade/Heresy or were they still on their journey to galactic core when those happened?

I think some people are being a little overreactive, because we don't even know yet what their involvements were during Old Night, The Heresy or even why they dissapeared during the Age of the Imperium. We don't know their relationship with Chaos, nor with the other Races of the Galaxy. Heck we technically don't know why they are seperate from the Imperium yet.

I'm kind of dissapointed on one thing though, and that is that it kind of removes the Living Ancestor thing. I might be in the minority, but I liked the idea that the Psychic Gene was inherited in every Squat and that it manifested in old age. The new fluff kind of hints that's not the case anymore.

 Segersgia wrote:
I think some people are being a little overreactive, because we don't even know yet what their involvements were during Old Night, The Heresy or even why they dissapeared during the Age of the Imperium. We don't know their relationship with Chaos, nor with the other Races of the Galaxy. Heck we technically don't know why they are seperate from the Imperium yet.

I'm kind of dissapointed on one thing though, and that is that it kind of removes the Living Ancestor thing. I might be in the minority, but I liked the idea that the Psychic Gene was inherited in every Squat and that it manifested in old age. The new fluff kind of hints that's not the case anymore.

Maybe their psykers (or navigators) will be called living ancestors, because when they are cloned they use some more ancient human DNA to enable it or something.

Plus you are correct in that we've barely scratched the surface of fluff for the Kin.

I think you guys are forgetting; the Emperor didn’t want to make humanity “immune” to chaos - he wanted to defeat chaos utterly and return the warp to its state of calm before the old ones started screwing around, when the sufficiently skilled could walk between worlds without needing either ship or webway. For that, he needed a united, educated, rational, and strongly psychic humanity. The dulling of the kin is very much not that, whether or not you think his ambitions to have been foolish hubris.

Quasistellar wrote:

 Segersgia wrote:
I think some people are being a little overreactive, because we don't even know yet what their involvements were during Old Night, The Heresy or even why they dissapeared during the Age of the Imperium. We don't know their relationship with Chaos, nor with the other Races of the Galaxy. Heck we technically don't know why they are seperate from the Imperium yet.

I'm kind of dissapointed on one thing though, and that is that it kind of removes the Living Ancestor thing. I might be in the minority, but I liked the idea that the Psychic Gene was inherited in every Squat and that it manifested in old age. The new fluff kind of hints that's not the case anymore.

Maybe their psykers (or navigators) will be called living ancestors, because when they are cloned they use some more ancient human DNA to enable it or something.

Plus you are correct in that we've barely scratched the surface of fluff for the Kin.

Or maybe the Living Ancestors are just direct clones of the actual First Ancestors?

 Mr_Rose wrote:
I think you guys are forgetting; the Emperor didn’t want to make humanity “immune” to chaos - he wanted to defeat chaos utterly and return the warp to its state of calm before the old ones started screwing around, when the sufficiently skilled could walk between worlds without needing either ship or webway. For that, he needed a united, educated, rational, and strongly psychic humanity. The dulling of the kin is very much not that, whether or not you think his ambitions to have been foolish hubris.

I haven't heard that specific interpretation of the Emperor's plan -- can you tell me where I can find this fluff?