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Andykp wrote:


The reason I say I think I like them is the “hands” look add to me. I see what they were doing but the angles look strange. Don’t think it will be enough to put me off. I like that they haven’t just done a devastator style normal squad but with heavy weapons, they will stand out. I think a whole army of the the leagues will look quite good, plenty of diversity but a coherent theme.

Indeed. Most of the reveals so far have been pretty good and now wondering what the big reveal is at the end of the month.

And with that... the Squat wars were won!

Why are people complaining about the facing of the guns? They are obviously designed to be fired to the side. The shoulder armor covers for it, and it should provide plenty of cover for the head, which is another complaint I am seeing.

They've tried the SM Centurions again. I did mine without the massive plates, which looked a lot like these.

Chopstick wrote:
Lol these dude need a better gun design because they can only shoot sideway.

I mean... have you ever seen a heavy bolter marine?
Hell, now with their cartoonishly big new bolter, the primaris are too basically forced to only shoot "sideway", which is basically how most weapons are shot anyway.

Domandi wrote:
Why are people complaining about the facing of the guns? They are obviously designed to be fired to the side. The shoulder armor covers for it, and it should provide plenty of cover for the head, which is another complaint I am seeing.

Exactly.

SamusDrake wrote:

Andykp wrote:


The reason I say I think I like them is the “hands” look add to me. I see what they were doing but the angles look strange. Don’t think it will be enough to put me off. I like that they haven’t just done a devastator style normal squad but with heavy weapons, they will stand out. I think a whole army of the the leagues will look quite good, plenty of diversity but a coherent theme.

Indeed. Most of the reveals so far have been pretty good and now wondering what the big reveal is at the end of the month.

Land fortress!

Thinking about it, are there even any 2 Handed heavy weapon units that can aim in directions other than to their left?

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Thinking about it, are there even any 2 Handed heavy weapon units that can aim in directions other than to their left?

Nop, because that's literally how 2H ranged weapons are used.
That backlash on how they can only aim on the side is just weird.

I don't have a problem with the way they're holding them - basically every single man-portable 40k heavy weapon is held like that, if they're not over-the-shoulder, that is.

What I don't like is the fact they're holding them in the first place. They have an entire specialized exo-frame built to carry the gun around, wouldn't it make sense to just have it's arms be directly integrated with the gun, Necron Destroyer-style, rather than relying on limpy mechanical wrists? It looks a bit like the gun and the exosuit weren't designed with each other in mind, to be honest.

I don't like the Squat military seemingly being a militia semi-cosplaying as genestealer cultist miners.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I don't have a problem with the way they're holding them - basically every single man-portable 40k heavy weapon is held like that, if they're not over-the-shoulder, that is.

What I don't like is the fact they're holding them in the first place. They have an entire specialized exo-frame built to carry the gun around, wouldn't it make sense to just have it's arms be directly integrated with the gun, Necron Destroyer-style, rather than relying on limpy mechanical wrists? It looks a bit like the gun and the exosuit weren't designed with each other in mind, to be honest.

I don't think they were? They're industrial exo-suits that were good enough to carry heavy weapons they've just stuck some armour on the left side of.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I don't have a problem with the way they're holding them - basically every single man-portable 40k heavy weapon is held like that, if they're not over-the-shoulder, that is.

What I don't like is the fact they're holding them in the first place. They have an entire specialized exo-frame built to carry the gun around, wouldn't it make sense to just have it's arms be directly integrated with the gun, Necron Destroyer-style, rather than relying on limpy mechanical wrists? It looks a bit like the gun and the exosuit weren't designed with each other in mind, to be honest.

I don't think they were? They're industrial exo-suits that were good enough to carry heavy weapons they've just stuck some armour on the left side of.

The powerful suits they wear are adapted from rugged engineering rigs and allow the Brôkhyr Thunderkyn to heft the heaviest man-portable weapons the Leagues can muster with ease.

Eeeh, maybe, but to me that paragraph implies they were engineering rigs that were then redesigned for use in warfare. I just don't really like the look of their limpy mechanical wrists, tbh, I'd like the guns to be more integrated with the suit.

Wrists aside, all they really do is extend the stumpy dwarf arms to hold the weapon across the body without the belly getting in the way

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
What I don't like is the fact they're holding them in the first place. They have an entire specialized exo-frame built to carry the gun around, wouldn't it make sense to just have it's arms be directly integrated with the gun, Necron Destroyer-style, rather than relying on limpy mechanical wrists? It looks a bit like the gun and the exosuit weren't designed with each other in mind, to be honest.

Fair point, they could have gone full Aliens Smart Gun and have the thing be held by an arm, but I'd still say the result isn't that bad tbh, it makes them look like repurposed miner stuff, which is very fitting.
The one thing they could have made to have it look better tho is to continue on their SC2 """inspiration""" and make their robot arms look bigger (think SC2 marine hands).
Just like the feet, having big hands has always been a visual element used to signal "sturdy and strong", but just like with the feet of the other units it seems that GW forgot that basic rule of design and it shows here, the tiny hands make the thing look a bit... strange, like some kind rotisserie chicken.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I don't like the Squat military seemingly being a militia semi-cosplaying as genestealer cultist miners.

That I can agree on too. But while it was particularly pronounced on the first unit shown, this one doesn't too much like that tbh.

The wrist is my only issue but the more I look at them the less it matters. The rest of the look outweighs that minor issue for me.

As for is the have a standing army or if it’s a militia type thing we will know more on Wednesday after lore masters hopefully.

 (HN) wrote:

Hell, now with their cartoonishly big new bolter, the primaris are too basically forced to only shoot "sideway", which is basically how most weapons are shot anyway.

Lol no

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I don't have a problem with the way they're holding them - basically every single man-portable 40k heavy weapon is held like that, if they're not over-the-shoulder, that is.

Only to a degree. Most allow some degree of torso twist, these have arm extenders specifically so that the guns can be held flat to the chest and no further, despite augmented hands.

What I don't like is the fact they're holding them in the first place. They have an entire specialized exo-frame built to carry the gun around, wouldn't it make sense to just have it's arms be directly integrated with the gun, Necron Destroyer-style, rather than relying on limpy mechanical wrists? It looks a bit like the gun and the exosuit weren't designed with each other in mind, to be honest.

But, yeah. That's the big problem. They're making a point to create and wear special suits that seem to do slightly less than whats normal for other armies heavy weapons troopers..

the difference between those hands and SC2 Marine hands may well be similar to those between a high tech, highly engineered Japanese car engine pumping out loads of horse power from 2L, and a much larger heavier lower tech American muscle car engine doing much the same with a 5L V8

Andykp wrote:
The wrist is my only issue but the more I look at them the less it matters. The rest of the look outweighs that minor issue for me.

Aye, other than that minor nitpick that can probably be solved with some conversion work, I'd say they're not half bad, certainly.


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Chopstick wrote:

 (HN) wrote:

Hell, now with their cartoonishly big new bolter, the primaris are too basically forced to only shoot "sideway", which is basically how most weapons are shot anyway.

Lol no

Spoiler:

That's him shooting sideways though.

Why is shooting sideways a complaint, outside of maybe pistols? It’s how people fire guns! Blimey people will pick on anything, no matter how ludicrous their complaint.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

That's him shooting sideways though.

Well if you can't tell the different between a BSF space marine pose and a better shooting pose I can't really help you.

Chopstick wrote:

 (HN) wrote:

Hell, now with their cartoonishly big new bolter, the primaris are too basically forced to only shoot "sideway", which is basically how most weapons are shot anyway.

Lol no

Spoiler:

Was that picture of a marine literally being forced to shoot "sideway" ... supposed to disprove my point?
wat?

Chopstick wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

That's him shooting sideways though.

Well if you can't tell the different between a BSF space marine pose and a better shooting pose I can't really help you.

Spoiler:

Wtf are you on?
All thos guns have a less than 45° angle from the torso, none are even close to shot "infront" of the torso.
Again, that's literally how every single rifles are used.


I think you spent to much time playing FPS and thing that the normal way to handle a long barrel is to point it infront of you.

The real problem here is the lore that says squats were genetically engineered to be more able to survive. However, being more able to survive involves having stumpy little arms that require cybernetic extensions to use a gun properly.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
The real problem here is the lore that says squats were genetically engineered to be more able to survive. However, being more able to survive involves having stumpy little arms that require cybernetic extensions to use a gun properly.

Shhhhh, don't question GW amazing lore writing.

Edge of tomorrow is the other film these remind me of. Want to see the other weapons now too.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
And with that... the Squat wars were won!

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 warboss wrote:

Andykp wrote:
New article up. Thunders.
I like them, I think.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/22/drop-the-wrench-and-pick-up-the-cannon-the-brokhyr-thunderkyn-are-marching-to-war/

I do too. I like the idea and their execution of an exoframe that isn't primarily armor but rather enhanced strength/mobility.

Blatant Edge of Tomorrow rip-off. Since when has Tom Cruise a beard? And more importantly: Where is Emily Blunt? I would have bought an exosuit with her in it. But creepy garden gnomes?! No way.

Edge of Tommorow didn't invent the idea of an exosuit, you know.

This whole idea of rip-offs in the sci fi genre is a bit much. Everyone is inspired or ripped off from other things.

Lots of things have used exo suits and industrial vibe. It’s fine to see inspiration in a model but it doesn’t mean its a rip off.

The artwork from the article gives off a real aliens smartgunner vibe for me and the suits do have an industrial military vibe like the ones from edge of tomorrow and fallout. Not a rip off though.

So you’re saying these aren’t blatantly ripped off the APU mech suits in Matrix: Revolutions?
Actually, no, you’re right; wait for the slightly bigger two-gun version.

I like them overall but :

- The leg mechanism looks to be designed and braced for forward movement and not side stepping advancing in the direction of the gun position.

- an over-the-back weapon mount would have been cool and given more angles of fire direction.

But, like I said, I like them overall and will surely get them when they come out.