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Besides the proportions, Mk III and IV just look better than beakie suits.

Toofast wrote:
Some people are sticklers about fluff and want only Mk2-3-4 for their whatever legion. I don't really care and will happily field 40 MkVI in my Iron Warriors army.

And this perfectly fine. Legions employed several hundred thousands of marines strewn around the milky way so gear will invariably vary as supply chains will differ from one location to another.

Yea that's my answer to anyone who tries to question it. When I was deployed, we had guys wearing all kinds of stuff. I would see AOR1, AOR2, M81, and Multicam in the same squad. At some point in war you start using what you can get your hands on and what you personally like regardless of what SOP is.

Toofast wrote:
Yea that's my answer to anyone who tries to question it. When I was deployed, we had guys wearing all kinds of stuff. I would see AOR1, AOR2, M81, and Multicam in the same squad. At some point in war you start using what you can get your hands on and what you personally like regardless of what SOP is.

This. Use what is to hand, anyone squabbling over armor marks is not worth playing.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Besides the proportions, Mk III and IV just look better than beakie suits.

Nah mate! Beakies are the original and best!

These new mark vi mini-marines make me wish mark vi was the inspiration for Primaris instead of mark iv.

Toofast wrote:
Some people are sticklers about fluff and want only Mk2-3-4 for their whatever legion. I don't really care and will happily field 40 MkVI in my Iron Warriors army.

Since launch of the new edition we have already had to kick four people from our discord for being the most salty of neckbeard over HH stuff. One fellow in particular was making deranged threats of violence against anyone who ran Iron Warriors in the new MK.VI Armor as "They never had in in the fluff." Another poster came completely unhinged when pictures of a game between two other players were uploaded, in which one of the players was using HH rules with his heavily converted primaris Salamanders army. I love the Heresy. The models, the rules. Lots of fun, but my God in all my years of gaming, the only other toxic community of this level I've come across was the Star Wars fandom.

I have been converted from my IW MkVI hatred by the nice looking models people have been showing off

I'm pretty chill but I'd draw the line at Primaris, unless they are clearly converted to be truescale firstborn.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Besides the proportions, Mk III and IV just look better than beakie suits.

Forgot MK2.

Oh, I'm also one of those guys who don't want to pay GW to play a new system. So I will be using my Necrons as Iron Hands and say these are the warriors who shed all their weak flesh and replaced it with robotic bodies, leaving only the brain. The vehicles, flyers and walkers - heavily modified by a long lost STC found on planet Cheaparia

Does anyone have a full list of all the units/upgrades for HH that they have confirmed are on the way, but not released yet? So Predators, Sicarans, etc? The drip drip drip but never actually release anything method they do ends up with me forgetting half the stuff

 Togusa wrote:

Toofast wrote:
Some people are sticklers about fluff and want only Mk2-3-4 for their whatever legion. I don't really care and will happily field 40 MkVI in my Iron Warriors army.

Since launch of the new edition we have already had to kick four people from our discord for being the most salty of neckbeard over HH stuff. One fellow in particular was making deranged threats of violence against anyone who ran Iron Warriors in the new MK.VI Armor as "They never had in in the fluff." Another poster came completely unhinged when pictures of a game between two other players were uploaded, in which one of the players was using HH rules with his heavily converted primaris Salamanders army. I love the Heresy. The models, the rules. Lots of fun, but my God in all my years of gaming, the only other toxic community of this level I've come across was the Star Wars fandom.

Is it toxic to respect the background of the game of is it toxic to join a game and disrespect the authors, the fluff and others gamers, heavily invested in it ?

BigOscar wrote:
Does anyone have a full list of all the units/upgrades for HH that they have confirmed are on the way, but not released yet? So Predators, Sicarans, etc? The drip drip drip but never actually release anything method they do ends up with me forgetting half the stuff

As far as I know we're still waiting on:

Leviathan
Contemptor
Plastic Praetor Kit
Spartan
Demios Predator
Rumored Demios Vindicator
Land Raider Proteus
Two more Heavy Weapon kits
Rumored Breachers/Assault kits
Sicarian

 godardc wrote:
Is it toxic to respect the background of the game of is it toxic to join a game and disrespect the authors, the fluff and others gamers, heavily invested in it ?

Threatening violence because someone used models they wanted goes beyond that.
It's been explained many times to you now but if you're actively trying to prevent people from playing HH because they want to use MkVI or are doing test games with 40k models, then yes you are absolutely being a gakky individual.

 godardc wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

Toofast wrote:
Some people are sticklers about fluff and want only Mk2-3-4 for their whatever legion. I don't really care and will happily field 40 MkVI in my Iron Warriors army.

Since launch of the new edition we have already had to kick four people from our discord for being the most salty of neckbeard over HH stuff. One fellow in particular was making deranged threats of violence against anyone who ran Iron Warriors in the new MK.VI Armor as "They never had in in the fluff." Another poster came completely unhinged when pictures of a game between two other players were uploaded, in which one of the players was using HH rules with his heavily converted primaris Salamanders army. I love the Heresy. The models, the rules. Lots of fun, but my God in all my years of gaming, the only other toxic community of this level I've come across was the Star Wars fandom.

Is it toxic to respect the background of the game of is it toxic to join a game and disrespect the authors, the fluff and others gamers, heavily invested in it ?

Ah, the old who’s the real toxic argument to justify toxicity.

It doesn’t really stack up when GW’s oft repeated mantra is, ‘it’s your hobby, do what you like”.

Voss wrote:
I'm more surprised they sold out than that GW produced too little.

Between the secondary market having their claws on them for years and the scale change of the mk6, I'm surprised there's so much demand for the 3 & 4.

They're at a much better price point now than they have been in years and the scale change may be part of the reason there's demand, as people might be aiming for mk3/4 instead of the mk6 to maintain scale consistency with their current collections.

 Gert wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Is it toxic to respect the background of the game of is it toxic to join a game and disrespect the authors, the fluff and others gamers, heavily invested in it ?

Threatening violence because someone used models they wanted goes beyond that.
It's been explained many times to you now but if you're actively trying to prevent people from playing HH because they want to use MkVI or are doing test games with 40k models, then yes you are absolutely being a gakky individual.

Agreed.

Part of me now wants to make a Heresy army using Primaris marines just to annoy the minority of toxic idiots in the hobby.

 godardc wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

Toofast wrote:
Some people are sticklers about fluff and want only Mk2-3-4 for their whatever legion. I don't really care and will happily field 40 MkVI in my Iron Warriors army.

Since launch of the new edition we have already had to kick four people from our discord for being the most salty of neckbeard over HH stuff. One fellow in particular was making deranged threats of violence against anyone who ran Iron Warriors in the new MK.VI Armor as "They never had in in the fluff." Another poster came completely unhinged when pictures of a game between two other players were uploaded, in which one of the players was using HH rules with his heavily converted primaris Salamanders army. I love the Heresy. The models, the rules. Lots of fun, but my God in all my years of gaming, the only other toxic community of this level I've come across was the Star Wars fandom.

Is it toxic to respect the background of the game of is it toxic to join a game and disrespect the authors, the fluff and others gamers, heavily invested in it ?

Not as toxic as threatening violence against someone over a made up history of a game. Not even close. It’s pretty damn toxic to try and defend that.

Andykp wrote:

 godardc wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

Toofast wrote:
Some people are sticklers about fluff and want only Mk2-3-4 for their whatever legion. I don't really care and will happily field 40 MkVI in my Iron Warriors army.

Since launch of the new edition we have already had to kick four people from our discord for being the most salty of neckbeard over HH stuff. One fellow in particular was making deranged threats of violence against anyone who ran Iron Warriors in the new MK.VI Armor as "They never had in in the fluff." Another poster came completely unhinged when pictures of a game between two other players were uploaded, in which one of the players was using HH rules with his heavily converted primaris Salamanders army. I love the Heresy. The models, the rules. Lots of fun, but my God in all my years of gaming, the only other toxic community of this level I've come across was the Star Wars fandom.

Is it toxic to respect the background of the game of is it toxic to join a game and disrespect the authors, the fluff and others gamers, heavily invested in it ?

Not as toxic as threatening violence against someone over a made up history of a game. Not even close. It’s pretty damn toxic to try and defend that.

Fortunately most of our group has been very welcoming and positive. Once we iron out the troublemakers, I imagine things will be quite good.

"It's toxic to expect people to care about the background of a game, and we should kick out everyone who does so."

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Agreed.

Part of me now wants to make a Heresy army using Primaris marines just to annoy the minority of toxic idiots in the hobby.

Thing is, there's no point in doing that. By all means, make a Primaris army using a HH scheme, plenty of people have, or convert the Primaris into HH-era gear to be true scale but don't actively seek out people to annoy because that doesn't help anyone.
You need to let them out themselves by doing perfectly reasonable things like using Iron Warriors with MkVI or doing non-standard colour schemes.


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
"It's toxic to expect people to care about the background of a game, and we should kick them all out"

You know that's not what the issue is and it never has been. Find something else to whinge about.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
"It's toxic to expect people to care about the background of a game, and we should kick out everyone who does so."

Try 'people shouldn't throw tantrums and threaten violence' if you want to accurately reflect the arguments being made.

But if you really want to stick to the 'respect the background' argument, keep in mind the original HH game ONLY had Mk6 and Mk7 armor in it. So really the frothing weirdos* are simply wrong about the background they're ranting about.


*the ones making threats, not people with a personal preference for other marks.

 Togusa wrote:

BigOscar wrote:
Does anyone have a full list of all the units/upgrades for HH that they have confirmed are on the way, but not released yet? So Predators, Sicarans, etc? The drip drip drip but never actually release anything method they do ends up with me forgetting half the stuff

As far as I know we're still waiting on:

Leviathan
Contemptor
Plastic Praetor Kit
Spartan
Demios Predator
Rumored Demios Vindicator
Land Raider Proteus
Two more Heavy Weapon kits
Rumored Breachers/Assault kits
Sicarian

Excellent, cheers, very helpful.


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Being toxic is never about why you are doing something or what you are doing it about. It's about how you are doing it.

 Gert wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Agreed.

Part of me now wants to make a Heresy army using Primaris marines just to annoy the minority of toxic idiots in the hobby.

Thing is, there's no point in doing that. By all means, make a Primaris army using a HH scheme, plenty of people have, or convert the Primaris into HH-era gear to be true scale but don't actively seek out people to annoy because that doesn't help anyone.
You need to let them out themselves by doing perfectly reasonable things like using Iron Warriors with MkVI or doing non-standard colour schemes.

MkVI Iron Warriors in gold armour it is then

Joking aside though, the only edition of 40K I ever actually played was Rogue Trader. Any marine not in MkVI is a retcon to me.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Is it toxic to respect the background of the game of is it toxic to join a game and disrespect the authors, the fluff and others gamers, heavily invested in it ?

Threatening violence because someone used models they wanted goes beyond that.
It's been explained many times to you now but if you're actively trying to prevent people from playing HH because they want to use MkVI or are doing test games with 40k models, then yes you are absolutely being a gakky individual.

Agreed.

Part of me now wants to make a Heresy army using Primaris marines just to annoy the minority of toxic idiots in the hobby.

The best part about the community, which is excellent, is that people like you don't actually show up in real life. All this talk on the internet is thankfully just that, talk.

 Togusa wrote:

Toofast wrote:
Some people are sticklers about fluff and want only Mk2-3-4 for their whatever legion. I don't really care and will happily field 40 MkVI in my Iron Warriors army.

Since launch of the new edition we have already had to kick four people from our discord for being the most salty of neckbeard over HH stuff. One fellow in particular was making deranged threats of violence against anyone who ran Iron Warriors in the new MK.VI Armor as "They never had in in the fluff." Another poster came completely unhinged when pictures of a game between two other players were uploaded, in which one of the players was using HH rules with his heavily converted primaris Salamanders army. I love the Heresy. The models, the rules. Lots of fun, but my God in all my years of gaming, the only other toxic community of this level I've come across was the Star Wars fandom.

Is 40k the most toxic fanbase around for anything? I've been around Ohio St vs Michigan, Auburn vs Alabama, Formula 1, NBA, MLB, NFL, car shows where guys argue chevy v ford or porsche v bmw or ferrari v lambo all day, watch guys who are snobs for a certain brand, Star Wars conventions, and tabletop games from multiple companies. I have never seen anything else like the GW fanbase. Guys will act like you committed a war crime because you 3d printed or bought a recast of a model GW doesn't even make any more. Guys will act like history buffs when they point out that your iron warriors are in the incorrect armor mark...in a sci-fi game about made-up universes 30k years in the future where the corpse of a living god fueled by souls of the innocent uses his psychic powers to help spaceships navigate. People will show up to a social function with zero personal hygiene, social skills, or self awareness. Sure you will have Star Wars fans who will defend the new trilogy until their dying breath like it was the greatest thing in the history of cinema, or the drunk guy at the car meet acting like his 95 Mustang in 3 different colors of primer is the baddest thing on the road and anyone who disagrees is an idiot, but they feel like outliers. In 40k, it seems like that's the general population and the outliers are reasonable people with other hobbies, a wife, their own home, personal hygiene, etc.

Toofast wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

Toofast wrote:
Some people are sticklers about fluff and want only Mk2-3-4 for their whatever legion. I don't really care and will happily field 40 MkVI in my Iron Warriors army.

Since launch of the new edition we have already had to kick four people from our discord for being the most salty of neckbeard over HH stuff. One fellow in particular was making deranged threats of violence against anyone who ran Iron Warriors in the new MK.VI Armor as "They never had in in the fluff." Another poster came completely unhinged when pictures of a game between two other players were uploaded, in which one of the players was using HH rules with his heavily converted primaris Salamanders army. I love the Heresy. The models, the rules. Lots of fun, but my God in all my years of gaming, the only other toxic community of this level I've come across was the Star Wars fandom.

Is 40k the most toxic fanbase around for anything? I've been around Ohio St vs Michigan, Auburn vs Alabama, Formula 1, NBA, MLB, NFL, car shows where guys argue chevy v ford or porsche v bmw or ferrari v lambo all day, watch guys who are snobs for a certain brand, Star Wars conventions, and tabletop games from multiple companies. I have never seen anything else like the GW fanbase. Guys will act like you committed a war crime because you 3d printed or bought a recast of a model GW doesn't even make any more. Guys will act like history buffs when they point out that your iron warriors are in the incorrect armor mark...in a sci-fi game about made-up universes 30k years in the future where the corpse of a living god fueled by souls of the innocent uses his psychic powers to help spaceships navigate. People will show up to a social function with zero personal hygiene, social skills, or self awareness. Sure you will have Star Wars fans who will defend the new trilogy until their dying breath like it was the greatest thing in the history of cinema, or the drunk guy at the car meet acting like his 95 Mustang in 3 different colors of primer is the baddest thing on the road and anyone who disagrees is an idiot, but they feel like outliers. In 40k, it seems like that's the general population and the outliers are reasonable people with other hobbies, a wife, their own home, personal hygiene, etc.

You win for most ridiculous post. I think you probably just made all of that up, because it is so far from reality. Try going to a home game at LSU. Routinely people are physically assaulted at MLB and NFL games.

caladancid wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Is it toxic to respect the background of the game of is it toxic to join a game and disrespect the authors, the fluff and others gamers, heavily invested in it ?

Threatening violence because someone used models they wanted goes beyond that.
It's been explained many times to you now but if you're actively trying to prevent people from playing HH because they want to use MkVI or are doing test games with 40k models, then yes you are absolutely being a gakky individual.

Agreed.

Part of me now wants to make a Heresy army using Primaris marines just to annoy the minority of toxic idiots in the hobby.

The best part about the community, which is excellent, is that people like you don't actually show up in real life. All this talk on the internet is thankfully just that, talk.

I don't know. I'd probably say that the best part is the models. But I guess we all have our preferences.

caladancid wrote:

Toofast wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

Toofast wrote:
Some people are sticklers about fluff and want only Mk2-3-4 for their whatever legion. I don't really care and will happily field 40 MkVI in my Iron Warriors army.

Since launch of the new edition we have already had to kick four people from our discord for being the most salty of neckbeard over HH stuff. One fellow in particular was making deranged threats of violence against anyone who ran Iron Warriors in the new MK.VI Armor as "They never had in in the fluff." Another poster came completely unhinged when pictures of a game between two other players were uploaded, in which one of the players was using HH rules with his heavily converted primaris Salamanders army. I love the Heresy. The models, the rules. Lots of fun, but my God in all my years of gaming, the only other toxic community of this level I've come across was the Star Wars fandom.

Is 40k the most toxic fanbase around for anything? I've been around Ohio St vs Michigan, Auburn vs Alabama, Formula 1, NBA, MLB, NFL, car shows where guys argue chevy v ford or porsche v bmw or ferrari v lambo all day, watch guys who are snobs for a certain brand, Star Wars conventions, and tabletop games from multiple companies. I have never seen anything else like the GW fanbase. Guys will act like you committed a war crime because you 3d printed or bought a recast of a model GW doesn't even make any more. Guys will act like history buffs when they point out that your iron warriors are in the incorrect armor mark...in a sci-fi game about made-up universes 30k years in the future where the corpse of a living god fueled by souls of the innocent uses his psychic powers to help spaceships navigate. People will show up to a social function with zero personal hygiene, social skills, or self awareness. Sure you will have Star Wars fans who will defend the new trilogy until their dying breath like it was the greatest thing in the history of cinema, or the drunk guy at the car meet acting like his 95 Mustang in 3 different colors of primer is the baddest thing on the road and anyone who disagrees is an idiot, but they feel like outliers. In 40k, it seems like that's the general population and the outliers are reasonable people with other hobbies, a wife, their own home, personal hygiene, etc.

You win for most ridiculous post. I think you probably just made all of that up, because it is so far from reality. Try going to a home game at LSU. Routinely people are physically assaulted at MLB and NFL games.

I grew up in Columbus OH, my entire family had season tickets. I then lived in Hoover AL for 7 years where I had season tickets and went to away games. Yes someone got shot over the Iron Bowl 1 year. However, people will criticize the university. If Alabama tried to double the price of tickets every year, they would not have the majority of their fanbase defending the decision on message boards. The majority of the fanbases have personal hygiene and social skills, at least when they're sober. The majority of the fanbase has other hobbies and interests. They have significant others. In my anecdotal experience playing Warhammer for 25 years, it's just a different crowd. Same with cars, guns, watches, or any other hobby I've dabbled in. I wish this weren't true but I have an extremely hard time finding people through Warhammer that I would have over to my house for a cookout. Not the case at a tailgate, car show, or the shooting range. It's at the point where a small group of us have started playing warhammer at our houses and not telling anyone from the stores just to avoid your "average warhammer 40k enjoyer". I don't have a degree in psychology so I won't pretend to know why this is, but that's been my experience in 3 different states.


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 crumby_cataphract wrote:


I don't know. I'd probably say that the best part is the models. But I guess we all have our preferences.

100% agree. The models and the universe are the big draw for me. I play this game despite the community. I can always find a small group of guys at the local FLGS or Warhammer and eventually form a club type environment at home by having the space, tables and terrain. If pickup games at the FLGS were the only option I would be a painting/lore guy only. My best friend and I quit MtG for years until Arena came out specifically because of the average player at our local stores. It was only enjoyable to play against each other which gets old quickly. Anywhere that isn't a GW store probably has those same people in their Warhammer playerbase as well.

Toofast wrote:

Is 40k the most toxic fanbase around for anything? I've been around Ohio St vs Michigan, Auburn vs Alabama, Formula 1, NBA, MLB, NFL, car shows where guys argue chevy v ford or porsche v bmw or ferrari v lambo all day, watch guys who are snobs for a certain brand, Star Wars conventions, and tabletop games from multiple companies. I have never seen anything else like the GW fanbase. Guys will act like you committed a war crime because you 3d printed or bought a recast of a model GW doesn't even make any more. Guys will act like history buffs when they point out that your iron warriors are in the incorrect armor mark...in a sci-fi game about made-up universes 30k years in the future where the corpse of a living god fueled by souls of the innocent uses his psychic powers to help spaceships navigate. People will show up to a social function with zero personal hygiene, social skills, or self awareness. Sure you will have Star Wars fans who will defend the new trilogy until their dying breath like it was the greatest thing in the history of cinema, or the drunk guy at the car meet acting like his 95 Mustang in 3 different colors of primer is the baddest thing on the road and anyone who disagrees is an idiot, but they feel like outliers. In 40k, it seems like that's the general population and the outliers are reasonable people with other hobbies, a wife, their own home, personal hygiene, etc.

I agree with you that the Warhammer community is easily in medal table for toxicity. If not most toxic, then probably top 3 or 5.

But I genuinely laughed out loud when you said Warhammer 3D printing as that community is somehow on average another level more toxic than the general Warhammer community.

You can see this directly on youtube. The respectable gold standard for warhammer youtubers are people like Lueten09, Arbitor Ian, and Baldemort. All very down to earth normal people who I would have over for a beer. The least toxic people imaginable. Every day blokes on the street. Salt of the earth.

And on the extreme other end of this scale you have people like Gamza and Arch. Gamza is a toxic hate monster, and Arch was leaked saying some flat out inarguably racist gak, and his mods are just as bad if not worse. Them and their communities are far far more toxic than the general warhammer community. Both them and their entire toxic followings are all in on the Warhammer 3D printing train and are a major part of it.

I'm half hoping that these people and their communities drift off to another IP honestly, because it seems like the most toxic elements of the entire Warhammer community have coalesced around them. If they and their entire communities left for Starwars tomorrow then Warhammer would instantaneously drop down the ranking for most toxic community by a massive amount. I absolutely guarantee it.

caladancid wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Is it toxic to respect the background of the game of is it toxic to join a game and disrespect the authors, the fluff and others gamers, heavily invested in it ?

Threatening violence because someone used models they wanted goes beyond that.
It's been explained many times to you now but if you're actively trying to prevent people from playing HH because they want to use MkVI or are doing test games with 40k models, then yes you are absolutely being a gakky individual.

Agreed.

Part of me now wants to make a Heresy army using Primaris marines just to annoy the minority of toxic idiots in the hobby.

The best part about the community, which is excellent, is that people like you don't actually show up in real life. All this talk on the internet is thankfully just that, talk.

I always thought that the best part of the community is that most people in the hobby can spot when someone is just joking