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But if that was the case then why not delay the Mars book a bit longer and insert a seperate campain somewhere else to introduce the dark mech + new units so the Mars book can go full-on Techno-Warfare?

But that got me thinking - who are the major participant forces in the Seige of Terra?
Imperial Fists, Blood Angels and Custodes.

Please tell me they aren't using the Mars book to make sure the model lines are in place in time for the book which covers the Seige of Terra..

Edit: you forgetting about books 1-3 gert?

Because plastic Mechanicum have just been released and the Big Deal for the Mechanicum in the Heresy was the Schism, which they consider an entirely separate conflict to the Heresy itself.

And as for Black Books 1-3, they themselves are linear but still don't follow the wider timeline. Prospero was the first engagement of the Heresy and Signus happened before most of the events in Extermination, and definitely happened before the events in books 4, 5, and 6.

GW is definitely focusing on the later years of the Heresy and I'm sure that at some point the Siege will be covered but there's still plenty to draw on until then.

You have to be fair to FW on that front though, they really tried to keep things chronological but they needed to introduce Ksons at some point and who wants to tell fans of Magnus the Red they have to wait till the Seige of Terra to get their army list?

The Mars book is out saturday so we'll get some concrete info then; im going to hope you all get something you enjoy and ill try and be satisfied with the fluff it gives about the Schizm on Mars.

Horus Heresy and Legions Imperialis:

Leading the charge will be a long sought-after weapons kit, which we’ll be revealing in the coming weeks. Beyond that, 2025 will bring more tanks, and new plastic weapons options for existing walkers for Warhammer: The Horus Heresy

In the stream they also talked about Legion specific plastics for HH

The warhound titans in the leftmost image trail have some intresting weaponry - i dont know if thats a re-purposed Legions Imperialis image (i suspect it might be) but full scale ursus claw? Oh yes, would.

I hope they really do mean it about something new every month for AoD.

Is it just me, or is that "roadmap" somewhat underwhelming, even just compared to the other three from this preview?

The other three at least actually tell us something specific that's coming out, even if the when is generally limited to 2025.

 Dysartes wrote:
Is it just me, or is that "roadmap" somewhat underwhelming, even just compared to the other three from this preview?

The other three at least actually tell us something specific that's coming out, even if the when is generally limited to 2025.

Indeed. It's literally: There will be models for HH in 2025.
You don't say!

Would have liked more detail, but can't do anything about that really.

It does seem like they are hinting that Raven Guard will get some focus, being one of the 3 battles of note in the mars book and mentions of a faction waiting for the best time to strike.

Tanks, it's not hard to make some reasonable guesses. In order of likelyhood:

Astartes: Sicaran variants, Sabre, Felblade/Glaive, Arquitor
Solar Aux: Baneblade/Shadowsword, Malcador Infernus/Valdor, Aurox/Carnodon
Mechanicum: Karaknos, Krios, Macrocarid
Termite could be used by any of the above.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Is it just me, or is that "roadmap" somewhat underwhelming, even just compared to the other three from this preview?

The other three at least actually tell us something specific that's coming out, even if the when is generally limited to 2025.

Indeed. It's literally: There will be models for HH in 2025.
You don't say!

Partially agreeing. But, we’re also told “something new every month”. And to put some mind at ease, the interview confirms Solar Auxilia and Mechanicum are “first wave”.

Plus Heresy Thursday returns next week, so that’s when we start to get our reveals.

All roadmaps are really underwhelming, but I guess given the delays they are experiencing they are playing it safe this time around and keep things vague.

And wahey, tanks! Auxilia super-heavies please!

i doubt we NEED more tanks, even if you are a tank focused army. We need to get the melee marines and other infantry first or a way to upgrade normal marines into that.

NVM a rebalancing of Solar, militia and vast swaaths of mechanicum. NVM availability of these factions instead of the rather lackluster ruleswriting. Which is a shame as the foundations are more than decent (for GW standards) enough.

 BrookM wrote:
All roadmaps are really underwhelming, but I guess given the delays they are experiencing they are playing it safe this time around and keep things vague.

And wahey, tanks! Auxilia super-heavies please!

Seems we may have seen a plastic Auxilia Shadowsword hiding in plain sight for a few weeks now.



And if they’ve done the tracks and hull for one? Whilst we might not get the 40K “all in one box” treatment, I doubt it’s just the Shadowsword coming.

I’m also hopeful of an Astartes Super Heavy. And their wee tanks.

 tauist wrote:
Thanatar and the Mechanicum dice look great, but is that HQ model the same one that was revealed alongside the mechanicum plastic releases? It looks worse somehow..

I rather like the Archmagos Prime.

 schoon wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Thanatar and the Mechanicum dice look great, but is that HQ model the same one that was revealed alongside the mechanicum plastic releases? It looks worse somehow..

I rather like the Archmagos Prime.

I was really hoping for lots of options on it, but certainly the model we got looks cool.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Is it just me, or is that "roadmap" somewhat underwhelming, even just compared to the other three from this preview?

The other three at least actually tell us something specific that's coming out, even if the when is generally limited to 2025.

Indeed. It's literally: There will be models for HH in 2025.
You don't say!

I literally lol'd and exclaimed "it's effing nothing" out loud. What a colossal nothingburger. Same for TOW, utterly pointless.

The roadmaps are pointless trash

Did they not say anything useful in the video?


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Oh but we can at least lay to rest the Mk2 battlegroup lie, yea?

Not Online!!! wrote:
i doubt we NEED more tanks, even if you are a tank focused army.

Now that really is heresy...

I found their 'roadmap' about as useful as our local street signs (which are famously unhelpful). The bit about releasing a "long sought-after weapons kit" is promising; presumably it's the melee weapons set that should have come out long ago.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Oh but we can at least lay to rest the Mk2 battlegroup lie, yea?

I'm not sure we can - it's all too vague. Although I wouldn't shed any tears if it did turn out to be bollocks.

 Snord wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
i doubt we NEED more tanks, even if you are a tank focused army.

Now that really is heresy...

I found their 'roadmap' about as useful as our local street signs (which are famously unhelpful). The bit about releasing a "long sought-after weapons kit" is promising; presumably it's the melee weapons set that should have come out long ago.

In the stream they specifically said melee weapon set so yes its that one

 YodhrinsForge wrote:
I literally lol'd and exclaimed "it's effing nothing" out loud. What a colossal nothingburger. Same for TOW, utterly pointless.

At least the one for TOW confirmed the next two factions to be released.

The video did confirm legion specific plastics are coming in the future, which is fairly big news they managed to bury beneath a crappy roadmap.

Let's be fair here. GW did a good roadmap for HH before this one, they are capable of that. Yeah, the plastic melee weapons slipped but roadmaps are always going to be subject to change.

This roadmap, on the other hand? It's an insult to the term. It's a joke. Even Tabletop Tactics made fun of it. Nobody should carry water for this gak.

Agreed.

Well atleast we are going to see those shy close combat weapons next week. Right?

Well, I guess all those people who really were excited about HH2E and then definitely kept that interest going while we had tank kit after tank kit can continue to be interested.

Melee sprue is good, but I've basically put it from my mind since it's taken so long. This tank release cycle continues to do nothing for me, especially when LI exists and lets us field way more tanks. Breachers, recon marines, destroyers, seekers and so on continue to seem more relevant for HH2E than more tanks do, but hey if it works for others, more power to them.

That NOVA “roadmap” stream was a massive waste of time No roadmap was promised, just vague hand wavering and hot air.

Look, we get it that sometimes things slip, but they did a really good job on delivering on the first roadmap. The only thing I can think about why they are being so willfully vague is there’s a new edition in the works. I don’t know anything about that, but it fits.

I guess these are the relevant informations:

Video
*tanks are easy to make as they already got the resin models
*more Solar Auxilia on the way
*Space Marines will get all the core units first, Legion specific plastics not until this is completed
*LI will still get support (qualifies as news for some people)
*all HH units are supposed to get kits for LI
*new factions only after they finished Space Marines and Solar Auxilia

Article
*melee weapon kit...
*Heresy Thursday is back
*more tanks...
*... and more plastic weapon kits for walkers (i.e. dreadnoughts, automata and knights)

The roadmap image is garbage. But to be fair, HH and LI don't have codices, tomes and the associated releases of single factions, just the occasionally campaign books and mostly small releases.

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 Dryaktylus wrote:

new factions only after they finished Space Marines

This sounds like a "when pigs fly" saying, just more unlikely

Depends if they expand each wave of releases.

Right now I think it’s been three boxes per side per wave. Up that to four or five, and they’d soon be caught up.