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 Lord Damocles wrote:
The in-universe explanation for why there aren't more Heresy-era toys in 40K falls apart a bit when we know that there are tanks etc. from the period still in use.

Obviously the real reason is BUY IT AGAIN!

As literal Relics. Things that have survived the tides of time. Not stuff anyone is using on the regular.

In 40K, something being mothballed doesn’t mean it’s technologically obsolete, just that whatever is general issue is much easier to maintain on the scale The Imperium needs. After all, powerful as *insert relic tank* here is, what’s the point in committing man hours to repairing, arming and maintaining one of those, when the same man hours might maintain, number right out my arse for comparison only, five Leman Russ, which individually aren’t as mighty, but as a 5/1 group are better/

It’s the supply and demand issue. Why invest in say, new Titans (and we know the Imperium can still produce them), when the same resources can churn out squadrons of tanks which, collectively, have greater application.

Something something Fires of Cyraxus.....

All the fluff reasoning doesn't have to result in 40K Admech not having (other) cool robots instead of/ next to their strange steampunk mix. They could easily release more things like the Kastellans.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
The in-universe explanation for why there aren't more Heresy-era toys in 40K falls apart a bit when we know that there are tanks etc. from the period still in use.

Obviously the real reason is BUY IT AGAIN!

Also when a bunch of other hersey era tech has been reinvented by Cawl. Volkite, anti-grav, etc.

Cawl stands as a testament to what the wider Imperium might achieve without constant attrition. His works were 10,000 years in the making, with none of it being sent off to war. And had the same period to horde the required resources.

Anti-Grav has always been part of Imperial tech, most commonly for Servo-Skulls. Volkite was lost post-Heresy, but of course Cawl is very much from pre-Heresy. So it’s entirely plausible his own wee sanctum had a copy. And given his efforts, again over 10,000 years, only need produce a few hundred working examples? Really not that surprising.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
The in-universe explanation for why there aren't more Heresy-era toys in 40K falls apart a bit when we know that there are tanks etc. from the period still in use.

Obviously the real reason is BUY IT AGAIN!

Also when a bunch of other hersey era tech has been reinvented by Cawl. Volkite, anti-grav, etc.

Cawl stands as a testament to what the wider Imperium might achieve without constant attrition. His works were 10,000 years in the making, with none of it being sent off to war. And had the same period to horde the required resources.

Anti-Grav has always been part of Imperial tech, most commonly for Servo-Skulls. Volkite was lost post-Heresy, but of course Cawl is very much from pre-Heresy. So it’s entirely plausible his own wee sanctum had a copy. And given his efforts, again over 10,000 years, only need produce a few hundred working examples? Really not that surprising.

So the most surprising thing is while he managed this for the Space Marines, he didn't do anything similar for the Admech? OK... my point was, as ever (or more accurately, since 8th or so) GW narrative is whatever it wants to support or nor models in a given range.

Don't forget Knights. Post Heresy, the Dominus Knights magically appeared.

Back to the N&R bit. Got a question, when do you think we're going to see some Dark Mechanicum stuff come out?

Id expect at minimum an upgrade sprue for the existing stuff maybe 18mo out. Acutal units are probably much further out.

They have the assets for full sized stalker constructs already, but I'd probably expect the mechanicum knights to transition to plastic first. Darkmech will likely trickle in as an expansion to the normal mech range rather than get a seperate focused release box or such.

I unbox and review the models in the Mechanicum Heavy Support Force box, as usual with professionally photographed sprue images: https://taleofpainters.com/2025/02/review-mechanicum-heavy-support-force/

 Dawnbringer wrote:
So the most surprising thing is while he managed this for the Space Marines, he didn't do anything similar for the Admech? OK... my point was, as ever (or more accurately, since 8th or so) GW narrative is whatever it wants to support or nor models in a given range.

Guilliman specifically contracted him to work on Astartes stuff for him, which is the only thing preventing his peers from stripping him for parts for being a heretek. If he dared start getting caught messing with Mechanicus stuff, he wouldn't last long.

 Dawnbringer wrote:
So the most surprising thing is while he managed this for the Space Marines, he didn't do anything similar for the Admech? OK... my point was, as ever (or more accurately, since 8th or so) GW narrative is whatever it wants to support or nor models in a given range.

Fluff Shmuff. It's more to do with GW not wanting people using one game's models in another game. You must buy more stuff if you want to play in another game. The fluff is written to match that.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:
So the most surprising thing is while he managed this for the Space Marines, he didn't do anything similar for the Admech? OK... my point was, as ever (or more accurately, since 8th or so) GW narrative is whatever it wants to support or nor models in a given range.

Guilliman specifically contracted him to work on Astartes stuff for him, which is the only thing preventing his peers from stripping him for parts for being a heretek. If he dared start getting caught messing with Mechanicus stuff, he wouldn't last long.

Fluff Shmuff. It's more to do with GW not wanting people using one game's models in another game. You must buy more stuff if you want to play in another game. The fluff is written to match that.

but the first point here was addressing the fluff, and so they got a fluff answer

lost_lilliputian wrote:
These Ursarax are pretty cool.

I'm not sure bout their scale though. Are these bigger than standard infantry? What would their base size be, 32mm?

Edit: Sorry didn't realise these are plastic redux of resin FW so they already come on 40mm bases.

Yeah they're pretty beffy! I own some of the resin prints and they stand very much over a standard marine and over the height of a terminator.

I adore the new kit, cheaper price point for the 6 for me and I can run 9 in a mad (and inefficient) frenzy of claws and power fists for the IVth!

 Dysartes wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Besides, those lightning claws look really dumb

What don't you like about the claws, tauist?

They look like outgrown nails of a yoga guru, not like something I've typically come to associate with lightning claws. They just dont look all that threatening, for lack of a better term..

He's out of line, but he's right.

On the other hand, they do look a good shape for grabbing someone, as was described earlier in the thread as being part of how they operate - grab foe, drag in front of volkite, then CHOOM until they're sorry.

Ursa(bear)rax claws are very similar so as the name implies

Going back to the latest pre-orders, any idea whether this means the WHW exclusive IW Warsmith is going to be available at the same time...?

Don't know if/when they usually announce the release of WHW exclusives?

We don’t know. But, it’s the WHW Anniversary this weekend, and a bunch of Looters are going. So we should know more then.

Mystic Grotsnik Predicts…..

Today’s Heresy Thursday article will be…..Vorax.

I'll be very happy if it's another plastic kit.

Well, the Prognostigrot is getting whacked with a big spanner later.

Finally! Long over due. He'll be doing a lot of duty as a Raven Guard Prætor

something about this guy's armour is way cooler than normal space marines

wish they had better pics of those guns, tho

It gets a 5 out of 5 Birdskulls

Yes very cool and we can't begrudge the XIX getting something finally.

Not bad for a marine.

The best Marine I've seen in a while, and it's RG!

Very happy with this one!

Heresy is on fire lately!

All he needs is birdskull beakie helmet and he'd be complete.

Looks great... better than 40k Ravenguard.