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 Mr_Rose wrote:
Watch it be a new HH board game, like Betrayal at Calth.

All the rumoured details fit that paradigm much better; odd dice, random tokens, push-fit minis, themed forces in coloured plastic…

This would be awesome and might explain why we've not had support for Warhammer Quest in a long while.

Dudeface wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Oh man, I wish they were actually so efficient and quick at releasing rules that are not garbage, fixing the garbage rules should anything slip through and overall supporting the system.
But, apparently, all they can do with SGs is just release it, milk as much money as possible and then forget about it for the next 3 or so years when they can milk it more with new books and say "look guys, we care, we are the nu-gw"

Oddly there's plenty of people out there that would prefer HH to remain exactly as is and would consider a 1 page faq 3 years later as "enough" as they hate the competitive patch cycle.

I'm not asking for 40k patch cycle. Just one major patch to fix issues.

Speaking from Custodes perspective. 0 internal balance.
*Telemon is gak
*Sagittarum are gak.
*Coronus is gak.
*Aquilon - very limited use, can shine as allies with SoS, overshadowed by basic Guard in pure Custodes
*Agamatus - very limited use, can shine as allies with SoS, overshadowed by basic Guard in pure Custodes
*Shield dread - overshadowed by basic Guard
*Spear dread - ap3 lascannon? The only way to play it is throwing away the spear and using fists for 7 attacks on charge.
Tl'dr, the most efficient way to play Custodes at 2-3k points is just to take 40-60 Guardians.
*Let's not forget SoS rules that still don't have the models for them. Instead, we get a ton of SM characters.

Not to mention other gak, like return fire at full bs, look out sir, blasts being ap3 at best, etc.

D18 just simply can't be used for anything random. After they remove v1's Physic phase as being too random and then introducing D18 to generate anything? Hypocrisy.

I dont recall GW buying domain names just for a singular trolling purpose. Something significant is coming, and 24.6. might be the planned release/announcement date..

It's either a new edition or a new boxed game methinks

I bet there will be more hearsay on that site in the near future.. GW marketing trying something new for a change

those round pouches look interesting.. plastic Breachers inbound?

What was the original Valrak rumour?

Saturnyne Terminators
My II Armour
Couple of praetors
Older pattern dreadnought (Lucifer pattern perhaps?)

 zedmeister wrote:
What was the original Valrak rumour?

Saturnyne Terminators
My II Armour
Couple of praetors
Older pattern dreadnought (Lucifer pattern perhaps?)

And a gun emplacement

 zedmeister wrote:
What was the original Valrak rumour?

Saturnyne Terminators
My II Armour
Couple of praetors
Older pattern dreadnought (Lucifer pattern perhaps?)

He said the dread is Saturnine style too

Have we had an actual clear definition as to what "Saturnine" means to GW, in terms of armor, terms, dreads, etc.?

Because to me, it means those awesome M&M Terminators!

 Alpharius wrote:
Have we had an actual clear definition as to what "Saturnine" means to GW, in terms of armor, terms, dreads, etc.?

Because to me, it means those awesome M&M Terminators!

Nope. It was just mentioned as a pattern, not how it looks like.

I can't imagine if they are making Saturnine Terminators they will be the comically big shoulder pad ones, probably a new design all together. I just don't see current GW producing something that "silly" for 30k.

 Sabotage! wrote:
I can't imagine if they are making Saturnine Terminators they will be the comically big shoulder pad ones, probably a new design all together. I just don't see current GW producing something that "silly" for 30k.

I dunno. Deredo dreadnoughts look pretty funky and they still got a plastic kit. And the aesthetics of the Horus Heresy 2.0 series feels different compared to what the old FW models were, so something like Saturine would probably fit in.

We still need to wary of reading too much into this.

Of the first batch, we know the D18 and “Salamander” Sprues were Naughty Fibs. And the third we can’t be sure isn’t just them teasing us with long existing artwork for a long existing Dreadnought pattern.

Of the next batch? The assumed shoulder pad still looks like a rapid prototype version rather than plastic, like it’s slightly oily. The pouch could be anything. The token I think might be from Kill Team.

It’s like a game of Two Truths And A Lie. Not everything we’re being shown is necessarily true. Some of it could be outright fibs. Some of it could be misdirection. Some of it the barefaced truth.

Breachers and updated terminator patterns would be nice, but this box sounds more exiting and not just "ok, I just go and redo the units I already own".
Well played, GW.

(I will just assume Valraks rumors was right as usual, and that the basic content is confirmed)

Valrak just dropped a new video clarifying his rumors with more details:

Box will be a new edition starter box, painted Salamanders vs. Iron Warriors

1 MkII Centurion (painted Iron Warriors)

1 Saturnine Praetor (painted Salamanders)

1 Saturnine Dreadnought

1 Quad-Accelerator Platform (the previously mentioned new weapon emplacement)

2 squads of 3 Saturnine Terminators (no mention of different loadouts like last time)

40 MkII Marines

2 sets(upgrade sprues?) of Disintegrator Weapons

measuring sticks, templates, dice (6-sided and scatter)

plastic objective markers and stat counters

HH 3rd Edition rulebook, quick-start rules, and rules reference sheets

This could be Valrak covering his rear by updating the rumors post-Horus Hearsay such as the plastic objective markers (which GW teased a photo of).
Valrak also speculates that the pouch thing is part of the Disintegrator weapon upgrades so maybe it's spare Disintegrator Rifle ammo (which would make sense because there's no official model of a Disintegrator weapon outside of the anniversary marine iirc)

Well, if Valraks doubling down, I believe it.

I hate this if were on a 3 year churn cycle.

 Sabotage! wrote:
I can't imagine if they are making Saturnine Terminators they will be the comically big shoulder pad ones, probably a new design all together. I just don't see current GW producing something that "silly" for 30k.

Yeah, I'm skeptical on the saturnine termies since IIRC this is something Valrak has been saying since the very start of HH 2.0. I think they're just a fanboy for that weird old armor and want it to be true.

A new mark would be interesting, or 30k specific Indomitus, or even just some better scaled Cataphractii.

Y'know, I'd find it hilarious if this was all GW's way of hanging Valrak out to dry.

I have a horrible feeling that "Valrak" is a part of the GW marketing team.

If Valrak was a GW employee, it would have come out by now.

If this does end up being a new edition of HH, I will be massively disappointed. I've been holding off on any new HH projects and frankly, I don't have the time and effort to learn a new version anymore.

Doesn't necessarily needs him to be employed to be part of the marketing team

Are you counting people who make GW-centric content as part of this "marketing team"? Cos that's not how that works.

 kodos wrote:
Doesn't necessarily needs him to be employed to be part of the marketing team

It could just be a name created by GW that they use to "leak" information to the public.

No, no, Valrak is a YouTube person:

https://www.youtube.com/@ChapterMasterValrak

He is very much a real guy.

Hes a highly paid actor pretending to be "Valrak", clearly

Just some random guy who unknowingly got feed with material intented for him because rumours and leaks are better hype creators than official announcements

Valrak and James Workshop are in fact the same person...Darth Sidius style.

"Once morrrrre the Space Marines will rule the Meta!"

 kodos wrote:
Just some random guy who unknowingly got feed with material intented for him because rumours and leaks are better hype creators than official announcements

Or, like most Warhammer content creators (ugh hate that term), they have legit connections to people who work at GW by going to events, chatting to employees and being sort-of journalists (for toy soldiers exclusively that is). It's not some big conspiracy my dude, people who work at companies leak stuff all the time, intentionally or unintentionally.

I'm not going insane am I? Do people genuinely think that Valrak is one big psy-op by some shadowy cabal at GW? Please tell me people don't think that.

SamusDrake wrote:
Valrak and James Workshop are in fact the same person...Darth Sidius style.

"Once morrrrre the Space Marines will rule the Meta!"

Oh, no, it all makes sense now!

 Gert wrote:
Or, like most Warhammer content creators (ugh hate that term), they have legit connections to people who work at GW by going to events, chatting to employees and being sort-of journalists (for toy soldiers exclusively that is). It's not some big conspiracy my dude, people who work at companies leak stuff all the time, intentionally or unintentionally.

I'm not going insane am I? Do people genuinely think that Valrak is one big psy-op by some shadowy cabal at GW? Please tell me people don't think that.

It's never failed to amuse me that national governments & security agencies have publicly had some of their darkest secrets stolen, but some still find it unrealistic that a British toy company fails to have perfect secrecy in their global supply chain with hundreds of staff.

Not going to comment on this extremely daft rumour legitimacy conversation.

However, if the Mk II armour and the rogue trader style dread and termies (saturnine lol) rumour is right - is the idea that they're doing a focus on early days of the Heresy this addition?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

Oh, no, it all makes sense now!

"It was supposed to be the best edition of 40K ever! Warcom said it would bring balance to the game - not lead it to FAQs and Errata on day one!"