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Certainly not opposed to the changes for list building, but the limitation of at least 2 Armigers did feel sensible in ensuring it didn't turn out to be nothing but super heavies.

I'd have to see a review of Liber Questoris before making the leap to 30K, but I have a feeling that I'll sticking to Epic somehow...

 CragHack wrote:
Aren't the vows a 40k thing? I mean, didn't they just copypaste them?
Also, I giggled at the unit spotlight, which highlighted the two worst knights in v2. Guess Porphyrion will no longer be usable, to people buy more Asterius

Just because it's in 40k doesn't mean it's bad, and it's not exactly like Knights are a spectacular concept that has deep facets.

The Houses and Heraldry might have changed, but the culture remains the same.

 CragHack wrote:
Aren't the vows a 40k thing? I mean, didn't they just copypaste them?
Also, I giggled at the unit spotlight, which highlighted the two worst knights in v2. Guess Porphyrion will no longer be usable, to people buy more Asterius

The vows work differently and have been missing for 10th Edition, outside of kill the enemy Warlord, get stuff.

I really like the idea of adding solar aux or Mechanicum forces to your army. It's sorely needed in 40k.

 Gert wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Aren't the vows a 40k thing? I mean, didn't they just copypaste them?
Also, I giggled at the unit spotlight, which highlighted the two worst knights in v2. Guess Porphyrion will no longer be usable, to people buy more Asterius

Just because it's in 40k doesn't mean it's bad, and it's not exactly like Knights are a spectacular concept that has deep facets.

The Houses and Heraldry might have changed, but the culture remains the same.

Knights were great and flavorful in v1, with all the household ranks. Oaths are lame, they don't give any flavor at all. I'm not talking 10th, I think it was 9th?

The way Knights were treated in v2 was just dump and unreasonable. On the other hand, I'm happy that I've never passed the point of buying two more armigers to reach the 3k limit.

The vows were 8th and 9th... I can double-check my codicies when I get home.

I wonder what they mean by this:

When building a list you pick a Household type: Imperialis, Mechanicum or Mendicant.

Is Mendicant the Freeblade of the Horus Heresy?

Mendicant means beggar so probably knights that get work-passage with whoever’s going somewhere.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Mendicant means beggar so probably knights that get work-passage with whoever’s going somewhere.

Huh. I'm not familiar with the fluff for these units. Could Be interesting.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Mendicant means beggar so probably knights that get work-passage with whoever’s going somewhere.

Likely based on the mendicant orders of the church:

By contrast, the mendicants avoided owning property, did not work at a trade, and embraced a poor, often itinerant lifestyle. They depended for their survival on the goodwill of the people to whom they preached.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendicant_orders

Of course they are Knights, so they would be mooching off of the nobility, not the peasants.

 SgtEeveell wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Mendicant means beggar so probably knights that get work-passage with whoever’s going somewhere.

Likely based on the mendicant orders of the church:

By contrast, the mendicants avoided owning property, did not work at a trade, and embraced a poor, often itinerant lifestyle. They depended for their survival on the goodwill of the people to whom they preached.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendicant_orders

Of course they are Knights, so they would be mooching off of the nobility, not the peasants.

And the nobility in turn force the peasants to feed them and pay for their lifestyle, so in the end -same difference.

So wandering Hedge-Knights?

Off on some quest without a House to back them up?

Freeblades basically

Soooo.....are the rules for Corrupted/Chaos tainted Knights going to be in the Liber? Or something else that has to wait for a PDF?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Soooo.....are the rules for Corrupted/Chaos tainted Knights going to be in the Liber? Or something else that has to wait for a PDF?

Maybe when Dark Mech gets a full size release?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Soooo.....are the rules for Corrupted/Chaos tainted Knights going to be in the Liber? Or something else that has to wait for a PDF?

Maybe when Dark Mech gets a full size release?

Maybe? But I'm not seeing a reason why it couldn't be included in the Liber. Is there a reason why corrupted Knights require corrupted Mechanicum?

Not required, no. Putting corrupted/possessed vehicle/knight/titan rules all in one place could keep them consolidated and also help bulk out a Dark Mech release though.

Im gonna guess no. posessed/warped/mutated stuff is something that GW has been reluctant to touch and only barely scratched the surface of with knights in the previous edition.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Soooo.....are the rules for Corrupted/Chaos tainted Knights going to be in the Liber? Or something else that has to wait for a PDF?

Maybe the rules from the Exemplary battles pdf (and later Mars campaign book). I mean they need something to fill the book and the Liber Mechanicus seems to have the Daemon engines as well.

Heresy 3 up for pre-order next week.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zojna4pr/sunday-preview-the-horus-heresy-begins-with-saturnine/

Two boxes, Isstvan and both maps for me, I think.


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Oh, and the Libers. Loyalist, Traitor and Mechanicum for now.

Think I will get some of the troops from box splitters on eBay, possibly the characters if I can find a good deal.

MKII also available separately. Hmm.. quite alot of existing upg kits work with it

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Two boxes, Isstvan and both maps for me, I think.


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Oh, and the Libers. Loyalist, Traitor and Mechanicum for now.

Better keep a couple of stores ready for the launch - a good many sets are "one per customer" these days as means to try and stop scalpers. Even 3rd party stores are doing it now. Plus it also helps spread out the stock they get between customers.

Even for a core set it can end up doing that before things settle down for general release.

Lol solar aux... look guys we fixed artillery..... we gave an earthshaker breaching 6+...

Schlieffts? (grinds, questioning mental functions)

Do we know for sure which book will have the Secutarii rules in? I'd assume Questoris but they're listed under Mechanicum in the store...