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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
A question from ignorance.

If this is dropper bottles, would that necessitate a reformulation to make the paints thinner? Only I’m imaging that open lid pot paints could be thicker than those that go into a dropper bottle?

Seriously. I’ve no bloody clue. This isn’t some kind of weird gotcha.
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It's a fair question! It depends on the nozzle size. You can have thin nozzles (like those used for vaping e-liquid) that are nice for thin paints ala contrast, shades or mediums, as it helps you control droplet size when it's low viscosity, and avoid waste. They are too narrow for normal paint though and hard to squeeze out, so don't use these generally if you're decanting paints yourself.

Then normal size 'paint' dropper nozzles for the majority of paints that are layer or base paint consistency, or even thicker - some of the army painter paints are more like custard, yet they still come out a normal nozzle ok. You can put very thin paint in here too, just get bigger droplets. If you buy your own, you want these.

For really thick stuff - like 'dry' paint consistency, texture paint or anything that could hold a spoon - a dropper bottle generally isn't a good fit, though darkstar metallics have had a go (love their paint, but the nozzle tends to push into the bottle, which is a unique and annoying problem).

17 or 18ml is the standard volume, though there are bigger ones like pro acryl 22ml. GW of course has 12, 18 or 24 ml pots currently. One advantage of a 17ml dropper is it takes up less area than a GW pot (taller yet narrower diameter) so you can fit more in the same shelf or rack space (vertical space is not usually as constrained given you need to be able to put your hand over the pot!). Given most GW paints are currently 12ml, it seems unlikely they'd switch the same volume to a 17ml dropper bottle which would make very clear how much less paint you get in that expensive pot comparatively. So if they are going to droppers, they're either going to be diddy or the price is going up - a lot. Though I imagine price going up is pretty much inevitable at this point regardless.

 oni wrote:
The return of the Foundation paint line?

I thought that was wrapped into the base/layer distinctions on the paint lines. The olf foundation paints were hight pigment for better coverage, which is what the base paints are supposed to be. Not that they always deliver…

I’d love to see inks return for glazes, at least the old blue one I still use.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The announcement itself suggest to me more than simply Droppers or Glazes.

Both could absolutely be part of it - but I’d be surprised if they’re the whole of the thing. Remember, Contrast got a decent fanfare, but the paints added since, such as ones for the AoS Dominion set, not at all.

It's a preview the day before and announcement today. That's not really fanfare at all. This is about on par with what Nighthaunt Gloom and the other one got!

If it were a massive rework of the paint line it'd be teased more than a day in advance.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The announcement itself suggest to me more than simply Droppers or Glazes.

Both could absolutely be part of it - but I’d be surprised if they’re the whole of the thing. Remember, Contrast got a decent fanfare, but the paints added since, such as ones for the AoS Dominion set, not at all.

We also got a bit more than just the Contrast paints when they went on pre-order.

Maybe it has been said already, but... metallic Contrast paints? Dont now if it's feasible, but seems a logical step.

 Nevelon wrote:

 oni wrote:
The return of the Foundation paint line?

I thought that was wrapped into the base/layer distinctions on the paint lines. The olf foundation paints were hight pigment for better coverage, which is what the base paints are supposed to be. Not that they always deliver…

I’d love to see inks return for glazes, at least the old blue one I still use.

I'm just grasping for ideas like everyone else, but yes, you are correct that Base paints are supposed to be used like the old Foundation paints. Base paints aren't quite as good as the old Foundation paints though.

GW had some amazing Glaze paints when they overhauled the line. There was Waywatcher Green, Lamenters Yellow, Bloodletter red and Guilliman Blue. They were really good. Sadly they were cut from the line. I guess because glazing is easy enough to do with normal layer paints.

I don't know, I doubt we're going to see anything revolutionary. It's probably just dropper bottles and maybe a wet pallet.

I'm not sure metallic Contrast is possible, I'd expect the unique consistency would mess with the suspension of the mica (?) flakes that create the metallic effect.

7 new shades, 25 new contrast paints and a new white spray.


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And a ninja end of range in a pear tree "* The four gloss shades – Nuln Oil Gloss, Agrax Earthshade Gloss, Reikland Fleshshade Gloss, and Cryptek Armourshade Gloss – are leaving the range"

Interesting. I have to say they look pretty good, although I've not used any of the other contrast paints.

One thing I am glad is a new white spray, given how temperamental the old ones have been, I'm very interested to see how this shapes up.

Of all of them, I have to say pylar glacier looks the most useful for me and the remaining High Elves I have to paint.


Rather surprised that nuln oil and agrax are going. They are very useful inks.

Luxion Purple and Ratling Grime...I can already see using a lot of these in the very near future.

 Olthannon wrote:


Rather surprised that nuln oil and agrax are going. They are very useful inks.

Only the gloss version is going away. Cryptek Armourshade is the only one actually gone since it only had a gloss version (Thought maybe they will release it as a non-gloss version?)

 Matrindur wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:


Rather surprised that nuln oil and agrax are going. They are very useful inks.

Only the gloss version is going away. Cryptek Armourshade is the only one actually going since it only had a gloss version (Thought maybe they will release it as a non-gloss version?)

That makes way more sense, thanks.

Kind of anti-climatic but the colors all look nice. I'm happy to see an expansion of blue and green contrasts as that's, in my opinion, the weakest area of the line.

My issue with these sorts of things are that those are some nice colours and shades, however as per usual, they're not much use if you have an established scheme or collection. So less excited than I maybe otherwise would be.

Removal of the gloss shades isn't that surprising, they've not been as useful or great as their regular counterparts.

Once again GW advertises Contrast paints with horrible paint jobs. Thankfully we already know what they are capable of. I have been using Contrast paints almost exclusively since they were released and I can't wait to add new colours to my collection

I can see soulblight grey being very popular for people wanting a quick white with shading effect, with less harshness than you might get with nuln oil and the like.


Mortarion Grime I'm thinking might look good with skeletons/undead/ossiarchs


The yellow contrasts are also interesting as the current yellow contrast is very orangy in the darks

I'm happy we get a shade of grey.

Couple of nice new Contrasts I think I have a use for, too.

Looks like a good addition to the range.

1) A lot of those don't seem meaningfully different from the existing Contrast range, it's just name bloat

2) Is it just me or do the paintjobs look oddly flat and not at all Contrasty?

Best part of the gloss shades is they stained less and went more into the recesses. Then you can matt varnish them. If the reformulated shades do this anyway without the gloss effect then they're really not needed anymore.

edit - realised this hasn't been mentioned on the thread yet - all the existing shades have been reformulated

Targor Rageshade wins silliest name.

 BrookM wrote:
Removal of the gloss shades isn't that surprising, they've not been as useful or great as their regular counterparts.

I have found them really useful, TBH ^^. I'll need to get pots of the ones I use.

Neat, i love all the current shades. So all the new ones are a day one buy. Although i can't help but notice the shades are being shown in the smaller pots rather than the current bigger ones.

Dudeface wrote:
My issue with these sorts of things are that those are some nice colours and shades, however as per usual, they're not much use if you have an established scheme or collection. So less excited than I maybe otherwise would be.

I feel this.

Contrast paints went hand in hand for me starting my tyranids. The syhish purple was darker then I wanted, but it was the only one close. So now I have a chunk of bugs painted, but like the look of the leviathan purple. Shock how the paint named after the scheme I’m trying for is the better fit.

I think the grey shade might replace apothecary white for if/when I need to do white armor. Which is mostly behind me unfortunately.

And I might grab the celestium blue to see if it matches my Ultras. Glaze it over mcgragge.

Overall, nice addition to the range.


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 Nevelon wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
My issue with these sorts of things are that those are some nice colours and shades, however as per usual, they're not much use if you have an established scheme or collection. So less excited than I maybe otherwise would be.

I feel this.

Contrast paints went hand in hand for me starting my tyranids. The syhish purple was darker then I wanted, but it was the only one close. So now I have a chunk of bugs painted, but like the look of the leviathan purple. Shock how the paint named after the scheme I’m trying for is the better fit.

I think the grey shade might replace apothecary white for if/when I need to do white armor. Which is mostly behind me unfortunately.

And I might grab the celestium blue to see if it matches my Ultras. Glaze it over mcgragge.

Overall, nice addition to the range.

I might want to grab a pot of the old formula nuln oil. I don’t want it going too far into the recesses for how I use it.

 BrookM wrote:
Removal of the gloss shades isn't that surprising, they've not been as useful or great as their regular counterparts.

I've seen a few uses that mix the gloss with the regular shade in both White Dwarf and this tutorial from Tyler Mengel on Warhammer Community but I never got around to trying it myself.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Although i can't help but notice the shades are being shown in the smaller pots rather than the current bigger ones.

No worries, price will go up to compensate.

Hmmm, I think I will give their new white spray cans a try. I was thinking about trying a different brand, but it may be worth the extra expense if it does a really good job that I can then use with quickshade stain or when painting white 'mechs. Maybe Soulblight Grey over white will do exactly the same thing as Contrast white over white, but with less repainting after.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
2) Is it just me or do the paintjobs look oddly flat and not at all Contrasty?

The reds and yellows seem to be formulated for good coverage above anything, which I suspect is a way of making these colors work in the first place. As far as I'm aware not all of the current Contrast paints produce equal results either. It's kind of important to learn the specific properties of each paint in order to know how to achieve the effect you want.

But as has been said from the moment Contrast paints were out in the wild, GW's one thick coat marketing doesn't actually do Contrast paints justice.

Well i can give the spray a try out of curiosity at least and grey shade will get a go. Rest depends does project inspire me to try one.