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Ugh, my DG paint scheme is based on Agrax Eathshade Gloss...

Are there any equivalents from other companies?

 Albertorius wrote:

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 Ghaz wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Although i can't help but notice the shades are being shown in the smaller pots rather than the current bigger ones.

They look like they're in the 18ml Contrast pots and not the 12ml paint pots the shades previously came in.

But the current ones come in 24ml, so...

Yes? They're still not in the smaller 12ml pots that they originally came in.

Seeing as it's been years they've been sold in 12ml pots, how does that matter?

If they move from 24ml pots to 18ml pots... well, they better be cheaper.

Maybe because both 12ml and 18ml are 'smaller' than a 24ml pot?

I can see Soulblight Grey being an essential somehow.

 Geifer wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
2) Is it just me or do the paintjobs look oddly flat and not at all Contrasty?

The reds and yellows seem to be formulated for good coverage above anything, which I suspect is a way of making these colors work in the first place. As far as I'm aware not all of the current Contrast paints produce equal results either. It's kind of important to learn the specific properties of each paint in order to know how to achieve the effect you want.

But as has been said from the moment Contrast paints were out in the wild, GW's one thick coat marketing doesn't actually do Contrast paints justice.

I really wish there was an actual path to learning how to paint models. A lot of the "teaching" tools GW provides don't really give you any real depth or examples. It took me three months to actually find out what an edge highlight even was, and that there were multiple types of them. Another big one is just "how does color work?" because it can be almost damn hard to figure out how to layer and highlight and with which of the 500 colors available to the painter. These range updates are nice, these paints look super fun and I may end up getting some for my HH army to brighten them up. But I really do wish there was more help available for the paintingly challenged out there. I'd paint a lot more if I could actually figure out what I am doing in the first place.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
1) A lot of those don't seem meaningfully different from the existing Contrast range, it's just name bloat

2) Is it just me or do the paintjobs look oddly flat and not at all Contrasty?

Especially for the bright colors, it looks like they used them as normal paint and just did 2 thin coats for a flat, even color. You can't see the contrast effect on the model at all.

 Jidmah wrote:
Ugh, my DG paint scheme is based on Agrax Eathshade Gloss...
Are there any equivalents from other companies?

Army Painter Strong Tone would come to my mind

 kodos wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Ugh, my DG paint scheme is based on Agrax Eathshade Gloss...
Are there any equivalents from other companies?

Army Painter Strong Tone would come to my mind

You mean the dip? It's a very different substance, the wash variant however is matte as far as I know, so not a good replacement if so.

 gorgon wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Removal of the gloss shades isn't that surprising, they've not been as useful or great as their regular counterparts.

They're fantastic over metals that you're looking to keep shiny.

They also seem to flow better, at least for me.

The old shade with a bit of glaze medium seems to be doing what the new shade is trying to do. Looking forward to seeing some comparisons.

Dudeface wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Ugh, my DG paint scheme is based on Agrax Eathshade Gloss...
Are there any equivalents from other companies?

Army Painter Strong Tone would come to my mind

You mean the dip?

There is also a Wash version.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Removal of the gloss shades isn't that surprising, they've not been as useful or great as their regular counterparts.

They're fantastic over metals that you're looking to keep shiny.

They always just look like they are still wet to me, I've never been a fan of the gloss shades without applying a matt finish after they have dried.

Again, they're fantastic over metals *that you're looking to keep shiny*. Personally I don't see much point in using metal paints to the quality of, say, Vallejo Metal Color only to dull them down. You're losing the benefit of more finely-ground pigments and shiny finish.

 BrookM wrote:
Removal of the gloss shades isn't that surprising, they've not been as useful or great as their regular counterparts.

I've been using Nuln Oil Gloss on all my buildings...

Hmm...

Dudeface wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Ugh, my DG paint scheme is based on Agrax Eathshade Gloss...
Are there any equivalents from other companies?

Army Painter Strong Tone would come to my mind

You mean the dip? It's a very different substance, the wash variant however is matte as far as I know, so not a good replacement if so.

the Ink

ok, there is a Wash, a Quickshade and an Ink that all of the same name, should have been more detailed

This video will help clear up the issue.

Digging the new colors.

Screaming into the void that my Cryptec Armourshade is being discontinued. This is essential for my Necrons. :(

 Jidmah wrote:
Ugh, my DG paint scheme is based on Agrax Eathshade Gloss...

Are there any equivalents from other companies?

I mean, you could always pick up a couple of pots now, while it is still around - how much more DG stuff do you have around that needs painting, Jid?

@oni - I've tried asking the WHC Twitter account whether there are any plans for the Cryptek to come out in a non-gloss version, at least. No response as of yet, but I'm fairly sure I asked after they were done for the day.

 Togusa wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
2) Is it just me or do the paintjobs look oddly flat and not at all Contrasty?

The reds and yellows seem to be formulated for good coverage above anything, which I suspect is a way of making these colors work in the first place. As far as I'm aware not all of the current Contrast paints produce equal results either. It's kind of important to learn the specific properties of each paint in order to know how to achieve the effect you want.

But as has been said from the moment Contrast paints were out in the wild, GW's one thick coat marketing doesn't actually do Contrast paints justice.

I really wish there was an actual path to learning how to paint models. A lot of the "teaching" tools GW provides don't really give you any real depth or examples. It took me three months to actually find out what an edge highlight even was, and that there were multiple types of them. Another big one is just "how does color work?" because it can be almost damn hard to figure out how to layer and highlight and with which of the 500 colors available to the painter. These range updates are nice, these paints look super fun and I may end up getting some for my HH army to brighten them up. But I really do wish there was more help available for the paintingly challenged out there. I'd paint a lot more if I could actually figure out what I am doing in the first place.

There are literally tons of people making videos explaining these things. What else do you want?

Only GW would have the self importance and brass balls to use the marketing hype of "the next generation/evolution of paint" for what is literally a few new paint colours.

And its still not even in a f-king dropper bottle

Looking at the 'Last Chance to Buy' section of the web store it looks like they're discontinuing a number of Air and Dry paints and the Corax White spray along with the gloss shades.

These look interesting.

Gonna be picking up a couple of Gharahrahgax Sewer for my Skaven.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
1) A lot of those don't seem meaningfully different from the existing Contrast range, it's just name bloat

Like what?

Like Pylar Glacier, Kroxigor, Frostheart and Aethermatic Blue all seem to be the exact same pigment in different concentrations.

While that's true, if you're painting a load of Nighthaunt it's quite handy to have something pre-mixed in the right concentration that you can buy off the shelf. Yes, you can just mix Contrast medium and the original paint but you can also just mix white and a colour to get the highlight colour but they still sell them.

 gorgon wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Removal of the gloss shades isn't that surprising, they've not been as useful or great as their regular counterparts.

They're fantastic over metals that you're looking to keep shiny.

They always just look like they are still wet to me, I've never been a fan of the gloss shades without applying a matt finish after they have dried.

Again, they're fantastic over metals *that you're looking to keep shiny*. Personally I don't see much point in using metal paints to the quality of, say, Vallejo Metal Color only to dull them down. You're losing the benefit of more finely-ground pigments and shiny finish.

Not sure why you felt the need to repeat yourself here? I mean, it's not a difficult concept for me to grasp

Again, they just look wet to me. If it looks good to other people, then great

I was really worried for a second but then I saw they trademarked every color. Phew. Now no one can use rageshade! *Corvus Belli with your fists, I'm looking at you!*

 Ghaz wrote:
Looking at the 'Last Chance to Buy' section of the web store it looks like they're discontinuing a number of Air and Dry paints and the Corax White spray along with the gloss shades.

ohh feth they're discontinuing sigsmund clear yellow? damn and I was using that for a glaze on my heresy era Imp fists.. they REAAAALLY want me to use Iyaden yellow for a yellow glaze

*quickly buys one of each Gloss Paint... and a Sentinel, as those are going away soon as well*

BrianDavion wrote:
ohh feth they're discontinuing sigsmund clear yellow? damn and I was using that for a glaze on my heresy era Imp fists.. they REAAAALLY want me to use Iyaden yellow for a yellow glaze

No they want you to buy the new "Imperial Fist" Contrast paint and glaze with that.

I imagine they're EOL'ing some of the less popular air paints to free up space in the shop paint racks - 29 pots going away, 32 coming in. IIRC the 3rd party shops had to buy new racks quite recently at significant cost, so expanding them again so soon could be unpopular.

Initial look is that many were originally FW air paints that were ended, then brought back into the fold as air and layer paints, the latter which are staying so far - and at least a couple of other ones that started as layers and added air versions. Not surprised if the layer version outsells the air version of a colour, and it's easy enough to dilute your own air paint from a layer.

Similarly with the dry paints - I've noticed on my paint app previously that several in the dry range are identical colours to existing layer paints under a different name.

The standouts are the gloss shades already discussed; if the new shades flow off highlights better into crevices, well, that was one of the advantages of the gloss versions, so you can replicate them by just a gloss coat afterwards if you need it. Cryptek is a bit of a kick for necron players though given it was quite heavily promoted (for a citadel paint)

The three old FW air clears going away also don't have current equivalents. Though with 3 new contrast yellows, an orange and a black, they could be in effect just being refomulated as Contrast, and thus still be airbrushable as a clear with a little extra dilution, or at least close to it. (I quite like using contrast this way already over metallics).

I'm actually a bit glad they're keeping the range size somewhat under control; it's grown quite a lot in the last few years, and some paints literally don't even have one citadel colour guide that uses them. I already have waaaay too many paints as it is, and I am normally a sucker for a new shade that looks useful...

Ironically, I think the most innovative thing here is possibly the white scar rattle can. A pure, intense white paint that also sprays on smooth is actually really hard to do (titanium dioxide, the brightest white pigment is huge, hence tends to clumpy), which is why Contrast was originally formulated to go over off white, and corax, well, is light grey. For people without an airbrush, there's been a whole shade of contrast over pure white that's not really been available unless you go for a high quality 3rd party. A better quality pure white spray is useful for a lot of things!

 arkhanist wrote:


Ironically, I think the most innovative thing here is possibly the white scar rattle can. A pure, intense white paint that also sprays on smooth is actually really hard to do (titanium dioxide, the brightest white pigment is huge, hence tends to clumpy), which is why Contrast was originally formulated to go over off white, and corax, well, is light grey. For people without an airbrush, there's been a whole shade of contrast over pure white that's not really been available unless you go for a high quality 3rd party. A better quality pure white spray is useful for a lot of things!

I use Halfords or Tamiya for my white spray paint, both are excellent. I'm a bit sad that Corvus White is going away as it's a great off-white and I'm not sure if it's replicated by any other company.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
2) Is it just me or do the paintjobs look oddly flat and not at all Contrasty?

The reds and yellows seem to be formulated for good coverage above anything, which I suspect is a way of making these colors work in the first place. As far as I'm aware not all of the current Contrast paints produce equal results either. It's kind of important to learn the specific properties of each paint in order to know how to achieve the effect you want.

But as has been said from the moment Contrast paints were out in the wild, GW's one thick coat marketing doesn't actually do Contrast paints justice.

I really wish there was an actual path to learning how to paint models. A lot of the "teaching" tools GW provides don't really give you any real depth or examples. It took me three months to actually find out what an edge highlight even was, and that there were multiple types of them. Another big one is just "how does color work?" because it can be almost damn hard to figure out how to layer and highlight and with which of the 500 colors available to the painter. These range updates are nice, these paints look super fun and I may end up getting some for my HH army to brighten them up. But I really do wish there was more help available for the paintingly challenged out there. I'd paint a lot more if I could actually figure out what I am doing in the first place.

There are literally tons of people making videos explaining these things. What else do you want?

Some [Me specifically] people have trouble learning from videos. You can't stop a video and ask for clarification. Many videos don't actually show the whole process or skip steps.

What I'd like to see is official GW classes offered at GW stores, multi-session set ups where you could go and learn all the basics from a human standing right next to you, where you could safely experiment and learn and get feedback and advice.

 arkhanist wrote:
Similarly with the dry paints - I've noticed on my paint app previously that several in the dry range are identical colours to existing layer paints under a different name.

Yes. Several of the Dry paints had equivalents to the Layer paints which were Edge paints when they were first released. They had a chart in an issue of White Dwarf Weekly with the equivalents.