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 blood reaper wrote:
I can't recall anyone calling GW 'awful evil liars' . The most negative comment (which you have extrapolated as being a polemic about GW) is...

""we're super early in development, we'll be sharing you the work in progress!" was always nonsense"

Which you know, you can say is an incorrect claim, but it's not a particularly furious or angry comment (unless Arbitrator does in fact hate the fact the stuff is coming a month or two earlier than expected - but you'd have to ask him)

Mate it’s an outright lie used to manufacture outrage that GW had lied about a timescale. When, as ably demonstrated, they haven’t.

Why does Arbitrator constantly feel the need to have something to whine about? IDKIDC. But I’ll keep calling out such nonsense when I see it.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
I can't recall anyone calling GW 'awful evil liars' . The most negative comment (which you have extrapolated as being a polemic about GW) is...

""we're super early in development, we'll be sharing you the work in progress!" was always nonsense"

Which you know, you can say is an incorrect claim, but it's not a particularly furious or angry comment (unless Arbitrator does in fact hate the fact the stuff is coming a month or two earlier than expected - but you'd have to ask him)

Mate it’s an outright lie used to manufacture outrage that GW had lied about a timescale. When, as ably demonstrated, they haven’t.

Why does Arbitrator constantly feel the need to have something to whine about? IDKIDC. But I’ll keep calling out such nonsense when I see it.

I don't really think they're going to 'manufacture outrage' by asking a pretty basic question about a practice which is common in many industries. I think there is something very strange in fixating so much on 'the negativity and whining' and in turn falling into these near hysterical negative fits over it.

You could've really just quoted the original piece and pointed out that GW hadn't said it was that far off, rather than "You DASTARDLY FIENDS lying about dear GW and ALWAYS seeking to COMPLAIN!"

Ironically you have whined more about the 'whining' (which comes off as such a desperate poisoning the well phrase) than the original posters did.

Oh there’s plenty to complain about (CSM’s weird arse Codex. Eldar still missing Plastic Aspects to name but two).

But just making stuff up to have something, anything to whine about irks me.

And yes. I did just differentiate between a complaint (Waiter, I asked for my Steak medium rare, this is well done) and a whine (Waiter why are there an odd number of peas on my plate and why is her carrot 2mm longer than me I want to speak to the manager).

One is rooted in a factual basis. Now not all will agree on all complaint points, sure.

The other. Whining. Is desperately trying to find something to bash GW with.

Here, Arbitrator has made stuff, referring to a comment never actually made to try to bash GW.

Guys. Guys.

THE GUARDSMEN HAVE BACKPACKS! Yeeeeeeeeeeeeah!

 blood reaper wrote:

I don't really think they're going to 'manufacture outrage' by asking a pretty basic question about a practice which is common in many industries. I think there is something very strange in fixating so much on 'the negativity and whining' and in turn falling into these near hysterical negative fits over it.

Ah so it's actually all OK because Arbitrator is "just asking questions"? That's good to know.

Please stop calling out obvious lies in future everyone. It's fine to lie but it's bad to be too "hysterical" about it!

I realized Angron wouldn't look like the old Epic model at all, but I am somewhat surprised how much like a Bloodthirster he looks. Just seems like a strange aesthetic choice, I guess. Super excited for these, though! Especially new human chaos troops of any stripe. Bring on the cultists!

 Kanluwen wrote:
Guys. Guys.

THE GUARDSMEN HAVE BACKPACKS! Yeeeeeeeeeeeeah!

One might be toting a shotgun?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Guys. Guys.

THE GUARDSMEN HAVE BACKPACKS! Yeeeeeeeeeeeeah!

One might be toting a shotgun?

It does look like that, yeah. I wonder if this means the new Cadian sprue, like the various Kill Team kits we have seen elsewhere, will include a "veteran" loadout in addition to the standard unit.

I'm kinda at the too little, too late stage for the berserkers. It's good they finally updated them though.

There’s a suggestion by a poster on B&C there are Terminators in the pic.

They may be right, but I’m not sure. But I do think there’s what looks to be something shirtless and Orgyn sized, just under Angry Ron’s left wing?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
There’s a suggestion by a poster on B&C there are Terminators in the pic.

They may be right, but I’m not sure. But I do think there’s what looks to be something shirtless and Orgyn sized, just under Angry Ron’s left wing?

May be a support character or something.

Wonder if they'll officially reveal any of these now or just ignore the leak. If the rumoured schedule is true and most of this stuff is next year, then it'll probably be the same approach as the HH leaks.

With the picture being mainly focused on World Eaters this does lend weight to the new Guard models being released first, as GW are normally fairly careful about artwork like this having unreleased models.

 xttz wrote:
Wonder if they'll officially reveal any of these now or just ignore the leak. If the rumoured schedule is true and most of this stuff is next year, then it'll probably be the same approach as the HH leaks.

With the picture being mainly focused on World Eaters this does lend weight to the new Guard models being released first, as GW are normally fairly careful about artwork like this having unreleased models.

Could be released around the same time or in close proximity? A bunch of leaks seem to have claimed they'd be released around the end of the year.

Will world eaters get a launch box style release like beast snaggas and templars, or will we maybe see a battle box with new guard in the style of the csm vs eldar one?

JSG wrote:
Yes, sisters were already done, WE are already done and so are the Dawnbringer Crusades for AoS. GW isn't going to show you things in development for the simple reason that they're likely to change. Does anyone believe the sculptor didn't edit that Angron a million times before declaring it finished?

Sisters took over 1.5 years for main release. That actually fits idea of them starting and completing with about year from release...And seeing nobody expected them to show real time they had easily year to work on it presuming work started early 2018(with couple months before first previews)

We they didn't claim it's early stage or it's far away. "little while". Not "far away".

You are sayng cats are same as dogs. Or arquing without bothering to read what gw said(i give you benefit of doubt and assume you are able to read'.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
I can't recall anyone calling GW 'awful evil liars' . The most negative comment (which you have extrapolated as being a polemic about GW) is...

""we're super early in development, we'll be sharing you the work in progress!" was always nonsense"

Which you know, you can say is an incorrect claim, but it's not a particularly furious or angry comment (unless Arbitrator does in fact hate the fact the stuff is coming a month or two earlier than expected - but you'd have to ask him)

Mate it’s an outright lie used to manufacture outrage that GW had lied about a timescale. When, as ably demonstrated, they haven’t.

Why does Arbitrator constantly feel the need to have something to whine about? IDKIDC. But I’ll keep calling out such nonsense when I see it.

Why do you constantly feel the need to defend a billion dollar company? If you're actually one of their social media managers I understand though.

My comment was more about them claiming Sisters were a response to polling anyway. Yeah I post a offhand negative comment but I didn't expect most of a page to be dedicated to it.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Will world eaters get a launch box style release like beast snaggas and templars, or will we maybe see a battle box with new guard in the style of the csm vs eldar one?

I think it'll be a launch box. They're usually worse value than the battle boxes since their contents are usually 100% new (except BT) and they know WE are going to sell insanely well. I bet the next battle box will be Guard vs Daemons.

 blood reaper wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Wonder if they'll officially reveal any of these now or just ignore the leak. If the rumoured schedule is true and most of this stuff is next year, then it'll probably be the same approach as the HH leaks.

With the picture being mainly focused on World Eaters this does lend weight to the new Guard models being released first, as GW are normally fairly careful about artwork like this having unreleased models.

Could be released around the same time or in close proximity? A bunch of leaks seem to have claimed they'd be released around the end of the year.

I think it'll be early or mid 2023. There's a half a year gap until 10th edition they probably won't fill with just Daemon stuff.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Guys. Guys.

THE GUARDSMEN HAVE BACKPACKS! Yeeeeeeeeeeeeah!

One might be toting a shotgun?

It does look like that, yeah. I wonder if this means the new Cadian sprue, like the various Kill Team kits we have seen elsewhere, will include a "veteran" loadout in addition to the standard unit.

We've supposedly seen the Kill Team kit for them already. That weird, random, out of nowhere sprue.

The bit that looks like it "might be toting a shotgun" seems to be a redesigned grenade launcher, ala the breach-loader that the DKoK have.

Angron looks like a slightly fancier bloodthirster. Way to think outside the box GW.

 Sim-Life wrote:
Angron looks like a slightly fancier bloodthirster. Way to think outside the box GW.

To be fair, this has always been DP Angron's design.

 blood reaper wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
Angron looks like a slightly fancier bloodthirster. Way to think outside the box GW.

To be fair, this has always been DP Angron's design.

It was also this:

It certainly matches the Heresy art. But is quite different from his original epic incarnation





For reference, Epic Bloodthirsters looked like this.

I mean yeah but GW are now very particular about matching up art and mins. I don't think it should surprise anyone the Angron min and the Heresy pics are very, very close.

ALSO - some people on reddit are suggesting the models in the background are not cultists, but Khorngors?

Kinda crazy that so far every Daemon Primarch has leaked. Wonder how we'll see Fulgrim.

JSG wrote:
Kinda crazy that so far every Daemon Primarch has leaked. Wonder how we'll see Fulgrim.

Inb4 DEA raid on a Warhammer store that turns up a bunch of cocaine, and the body cam that’s conveniently released to the public catches a glimpse of all of the new EC models.

 blood reaper wrote:
I mean yeah but GW are now very particular about matching up art and mins. I don't think it should surprise anyone the Angron min and the Heresy pics are very, very close.

ALSO - some people on reddit are suggesting the models in the background are not cultists, but Khorngors?

They could well be Khorngors. Dog headed, reverse jointed legs? Difficult to say of course because the pic is so….crap. But I wouldn’t rule it out.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
I mean yeah but GW are now very particular about matching up art and mins. I don't think it should surprise anyone the Angron min and the Heresy pics are very, very close.

ALSO - some people on reddit are suggesting the models in the background are not cultists, but Khorngors?

They could well be Khorngors. Dog headed, reverse jointed legs? Difficult to say of course because the pic is so….crap. But I wouldn’t rule it out.

Also potential duel-kit for AoS like the Tzangors. Needless to say, I would love Khorngors over Khorne Cultists.

These guys look... weird. At least one has Cataphractii shoulder pads. Any theories on what they could be? I doubt it's an actual Termie unit, judging by their overall posture.

 blood reaper wrote:
I mean yeah but GW are now very particular about matching up art and mins. I don't think it should surprise anyone the Angron min and the Heresy pics are very, very close.

ALSO - some people on reddit are suggesting the models in the background are not cultists, but Khorngors?

As daemons, there is no guarantee they have to maintain the same form. Maybe some days Angron likes to hang loose and walk around in the nude with just a sword?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
These guys look... weird. At least one has Cataphractii shoulder pads. Any theories on what they could be? I doubt it's an actual Termie unit, judging by their overall posture.

I was wondering that.

The shoulder pad could just be a stylistic choice, and not reflective of Catapheactii. But….they do seem a wee bit chunkier than regular CSM?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
These guys look... weird. At least one has Cataphractii shoulder pads. Any theories on what they could be? I doubt it's an actual Termie unit, judging by their overall posture.

While it's hard to tell, they seem to have a backpack and be carrying a Bolt Pistol (rather than combi bolter), so I'm going to suggest the soldier pad is just of an unorthodox design.