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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Is there any fluff behind the big sword Angron has now?

It was commissioned for him by Lorgar shortly after he ascended.

I'm not really sure what people expected with Angron. The model is like, a spot on recreation of Angron art from the various books and such.

 blood reaper wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Is there any fluff behind the big sword Angron has now?

It was commissioned for him by Lorgar shortly after he ascended.

I'm not really sure what people expected with Angron. The model is like, a spot on recreation of Angron art from the various books and such.

That's the black blade that was broken on armageddon though isn't it?

 Geifer wrote:
I wouldn't even say that Angron looks like a generic Bloodthirster. Bloodthirsters have a particular style of armor that combines with a largely bare body. Angron has visible legion and Marine styling to his armor, seems to have leg armor, that piece on his back, and tubes and wires. I'd call him reasonably distinct from Bloodthirsters, to be honest.

Any similarity is just down to Khorne's preferred look being generic rage demon, which both of them sport. Bulging muscles, red skin, ugly mugs, that sort of thing.

Yeah agreed. The details are there if you look closely enough. It would be cool if the model gets the Avatar treatment, and has some alternative cosmetic options like different heads to pick from.

Sorry to derail the Angron discussion for a minute, and yes I'll be getting him if he's Mortarion power or above, but do my World Eaters actually benefit from the Crispy Wanton phases as per the new Codex? I suddenly thought, if we're not in it, how do we benefit?

If we do benefit from exploding 6s, does that mean my DG and Thousand Sons army also now benefit from the phases?
Thanks all

KirvesUK wrote:
Sorry to derail the Angron discussion for a minute, and yes I'll be getting him if he's Mortarion power or above, but do my World Eaters actually benefit from the Crispy Wanton phases as per the new Codex? I suddenly thought, if we're not in it, how do we benefit?

If we do benefit from exploding 6s, does that mean my DG and Thousand Sons army also now benefit from the phases?
Thanks all

For now, yes, World Eaters get Let the Galaxy Burn. Death Guard and Thousand Sons do not. It's a metaphysical certitude that World Eaters will lose it when their codex comes out.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

KirvesUK wrote:
Sorry to derail the Angron discussion for a minute, and yes I'll be getting him if he's Mortarion power or above, but do my World Eaters actually benefit from the Crispy Wanton phases as per the new Codex? I suddenly thought, if we're not in it, how do we benefit?

If we do benefit from exploding 6s, does that mean my DG and Thousand Sons army also now benefit from the phases?
Thanks all

For now, yes, World Eaters get Let the Galaxy Burn. Death Guard and Thousand Sons do not. It's a metaphysical certitude that World Eaters will lose it when their codex comes out.

... and that it will be replaced with their own set of doctrines / special rules, specific to the Legion.

Who knows if it will be useful. This is World Eaters, the army eternally searching for mobility so half their troops don't die before getting into cc.

Thanks for the clarification, and yes, my last battle was a loss because I simply didn't have enough surviving troops for effective combat. I'm hoping to be able to turn off overwatch like a nasty space elf in the future.

Frankly my literally only complaint about Angron is that his face isn't quite the skull-face from the art
But hey, Magnus and Mortarion both had actual options, and so did the Void Dragon and Abaddon. So I'm hoping it still can be included

 xttz wrote:
Yeah agreed. The details are there if you look closely enough. It would be cool if the model gets the Avatar treatment, and has some alternative cosmetic options like different heads to pick from.

Magnus did, do hopefully Angron will too.

Even Mortarion had two heads included in the set (although they are pretty much identical, unlike Magnus.)

I don't mind his current head, but the more skull-ish one would be amazing. I wish they had gone more extreme with the Butcher's Nails as well. Either something in line with the artwork above, or like Dorghar's Khornate head.

Btw I totally love the style of the new swords. Maybe I'll use one for my regular BL marines to act as a demonic blade

A different head might do it. Found this here on Dakka's gallery:

How else would they have modelled him? Everyone is honking about how he looks like a bloodthirster, how else would they distinguish him? Magnus and mortarion are much easier to distinguish because they can be made large humans with additions. Angron wouldn't look right as just a big angry khorne berserker.

That's what he is though. He's still wearing his old armour but you can't see it because of the pose. The halo-like trophy rack is also wasted with this pose. Should of had him more upright.

Wait, Mortarion had two heads in the kit?

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Wait, Mortarion had two heads in the kit?

It's the same head just looking the other way or maybe straight on.

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Wait, Mortarion had two heads in the kit?

It's the same head though, just looking in a different direction. There are two ways to build the model, one with Lantern raised in his right hand in which case Mortarion is looking over it as if aiming. The other way has Silence in the right hand and Lantern pointing down in his left, Mortarion looks slightly ahead and down in that case - most likely having the eyes fixed on something about to get the scythe.

Hilariously, you could build Mortarion with two pistols and no scythe if you really wanted.

Are those new Berzerkers in the background?

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/downloadAttach/332398.page

Thats an immense centrepiece packed with details and features.
I cannot even imagine the price they are going to ask for it.

Yup. They’re very different poses to the current ones, and GW have explicitly told us new Berzerkers are on the way.

Personally I think it makes perfect sense that he looks a lot like a Bloodthirster. For one, it's how he's always looked in the art. For another, Khorne has always seemed to be the god least interested in variety for its own sake among his daemons. If the basic Bloodthirster body shape gets the job done, it's fine to Khorne.

I like him. He seems more compactly designed than Magnus or Mortarion. The Ankylosaurus like tail is a nice touch.

It seems like one of the Berzerkers is armed with a bolter. I wonder if we'll have a situation like with Plague Marines where they can take both a bolter and a melee weapon. Also, I'm kind of disappointed that the helmets are flat in their design. I was hoping for helmets akin to the more elaborate ones worn by Blood Warriors and Skull Crushers.

I could never sculpt anything remotely as good as that Angron myself, so hats off to the person/people who did... that being said it's the first primarch model in 40k and HH that I think has missed the mark to such a degree for me personally. I think the wings are overly muscular and limbed/spiked to the point of almost absurdity relative to a game filled with it and the face is just a little too... cartoonish? Wing arms needed a little less muscle and the face needed a hint of Be'lakor or Magnus in it rather than a carboard box. I can kind of understand the choices made as the aesthetics align closely to the plastic bloodthirster model which is cool it's invoked that sense.

I saw someone on Instagram say it needed more Primarch and less daemon and I agree with that sentiment. Also, sometimes less is more and that philosophy was needed here in my opinion. Interesting considering the tone and quality of so many of the recent chaos sculpts.

All that aside, really happy he actually has a model coming and that WE are getting love. I like the looks of the new berserkers in the BG and can't wait to see Angron's new rules! I'm betting that black blade is going to be close to a rail gun in sword form.

The more I look at Angron the more I like him. I would much prefer if he didn't canonically look like a bloodthirster variant, but unfortunately he does, so there it is. Could/should they have retconned his design into something more singular? I reckon so - it's not like there's absolutely tons of artwork or novel appearances by him. He's a lot more bulky and heavily armoured than a bloodthirster, though, and overall I still think he looks great.

 Geifer wrote:
I wouldn't even say that Angron looks like a generic Bloodthirster. Bloodthirsters have a particular style of armor that combines with a largely bare body. Angron has visible legion and Marine styling to his armor, seems to have leg armor, that piece on his back, and tubes and wires. I'd call him reasonably distinct from Bloodthirsters, to be honest.

Any similarity is just down to Khorne's preferred look being generic rage demon, which both of them sport. Bulging muscles, red skin, ugly mugs, that sort of thing.

The huge WE shoulder pad is my favorite part.

Angron is dope. Can’t wait to get a clear view of the new Berserkers.

Ron looks great. He'd be more distinctive from Bloodthirsters if GW hadn't moved away from the "canine" faces that 'thirsters originally had.

I'm not mad about that change, by the way (totally mad).

 Gitkikka wrote:
Ron looks great. He'd be more distinctive from Bloodthirsters if GW hadn't moved away from the "canine" faces that 'thirsters originally had.

I'm not mad about that change, by the way (totally mad).

Doesn't the bloodthirster kit have an option for a dog face? Maybe its a bit more bull-ish, but it still looks like a homage to the older model

I'm not the biggest Khorne fan but I think this is my favourite of the three primarchs. What is surprising is how poor the "golden angle" photo is. I understand that they want him looking at the camera but you really can't make out the pose especially with his big axe in the way. This angle from the video is much better. It makes the model look much more aggressive and shows off the impressive depth the model has. I really like a model that embraces it's 3d nature, rather than the old metal models that disappeared if you turned them sideways.