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 alextroy wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Should Angron somehow be cast back into the warp, he re-emerges unscathed precisely eight weeks, eight days, and eight hours later, heralded by eight Crimson Omens that strike fear into the hearts of all who witness them. You’d better believe he’ll be eight times as mad, too.

Whoever came up with this clearly didn't think it through.

There are 7 days in a week, not 8.

So he re-appears 9 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours later.

I gotta agree here. No reason for them to have included the weeks there.

This is The Warp taking human perception and twisting it to its own ends. 8 Weeks, 8 Days, and 8 Hours. Why those time periods when that is also 1544 hours? Because Humanity sees the 8s and thinks "Khorne".

1544 is divisible by 8 to be fair

While I don't like how the WE are, as said above, being flanderized with their new line, the article itself doesn't bother me that much. The Chaos obsession with numerology is universal, with the number seven coming up all the time when it comes to the Death Guard, and the Thousand Sons using nine in tons of stuff. I think that it shows how potent symbology is for Chaos and how Chaos followers work it into almost everything they do. As for stuff like the Blood Stalkers and the 66th, while we so far don't see anything like that in the upcoming codex, this article might be hinting at future releases.

At least the article speaks about World Eaters shooting and vehicle units. Reads to me like advanced messaging on World Eaters second model wave. Probably won't see it for a year or two, but they are letting us know it will happen.

 alextroy wrote:
At least the article speaks about World Eaters shooting and vehicle units. Reads to me like advanced messaging on World Eaters second model wave. Probably won't see it for a year or two, but they are letting us know it will happen.

Second model wave =/= models allowed from the codex
Why not just let World Eaters players use Havocs?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Or more because we're now heading towards Space Wolf levels of Flanderisation for the WE it seems.

Are you really surprised?

alextroy wrote:At least the article speaks about World Eaters shooting and vehicle units. Reads to me like advanced messaging on World Eaters second model wave. Probably won't see it for a year or two, but they are letting us know it will happen.

They wouldn't need a "second model wave" if they'd just let World Eaters players use the shooting units that they've been using for years.

They could, but this is GW we are talking about

 alextroy wrote:
They could, but this is GW we are talking about

Yup. The same gw that gives WE access to the full gamut of generic Legion ranged units in the HH Legion arsenal. This isn't a "gw issue,". It's a "9th edition gw issue". There's rules writers at gw who don't have this flanderized view of WE . They just write for a different game, but still a gw game nonetheless.

 alextroy wrote:
At least the article speaks about World Eaters shooting and vehicle units. Reads to me like advanced messaging on World Eaters second model wave. Probably won't see it for a year or two, but they are letting us know it will happen.

Or just making sure that people understand that the lore supports more than just crazy berzerkers.

Wish they would have put an * by that bit and explained: *if you want to play this sort of World Eaters army, it's easier to make in the regular Chaos Marine Codex.

or something.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
While I don't like how the WE are, as said above, being flanderized with their new line, the article itself doesn't bother me that much. The Chaos obsession with numerology is universal, with the number seven coming up all the time when it comes to the Death Guard, and the Thousand Sons using nine in tons of stuff. I think that it shows how potent symbology is for Chaos and how Chaos followers work it into almost everything they do. As for stuff like the Blood Stalkers and the 66th, while we so far don't see anything like that in the upcoming codex, this article might be hinting at future releases.

And not just chaos but players themselves...Who have funny habit of saying you are not khorne player if your squads aren't multiples of 8, tzeentch if not multiples of 9 etc...

Except for the new eightiest of the eight Eightbound super Berserkers that come in a 3...

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
They could, but this is GW we are talking about

Yup. The same gw that gives WE access to the full gamut of generic Legion ranged units in the HH Legion arsenal. This isn't a "gw issue,". It's a "9th edition gw issue". There's rules writers at gw who don't have this flanderized view of WE . They just write for a different game, but still a gw game nonetheless.

One could make an argument that it is a sign of the further degeneration of the Legion post-Heresy. I'm not going to make that argument, but it is one that could be made.

And I'm a little surprised that they missed an opportunity there - why 66th, rather than 64th?

 Dysartes wrote:
One could make an argument that it is a sign of the further degeneration of the Legion post-Heresy.

Except that they just gave us descriptions of World Eaters who aren't frothing maniacs, so...

It's funny imo because GW clearly are trying to harken back to 3.5 on *some level*. The 3.5 World Eaters were just bezerkers, you couldn't take any special weapons, etc. A pretty boring army, but you know, at least you could customise units and such.

 blood reaper wrote:
It's funny imo because GW clearly are trying to harken back to 3.5 on *some level*. The 3.5 World Eaters were just bezerkers, you couldn't take any special weapons, etc. A pretty boring army, but you know, at least you could customise units and such.

Even the 3.5 book allowed you to have Bikers and Possessed, as well as Chosen riding Juggernauts.

 blood reaper wrote:
It's funny imo because GW clearly are trying to harken back to 3.5 on *some level*. The 3.5 World Eaters were just bezerkers, you couldn't take any special weapons, etc. A pretty boring army, but you know, at least you could customise units and such.

Except they forgot the rest of the 3.5 Codex options for World Eaters.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
While I don't like how the WE are, as said above, being flanderized with their new line, the article itself doesn't bother me that much. The Chaos obsession with numerology is universal, with the number seven coming up all the time when it comes to the Death Guard, and the Thousand Sons using nine in tons of stuff. I think that it shows how potent symbology is for Chaos and how Chaos followers work it into almost everything they do. As for stuff like the Blood Stalkers and the 66th, while we so far don't see anything like that in the upcoming codex, this article might be hinting at future releases.

The problem is in this case, they've been so eager to shove in more numerology stuff that they didn't actually think it through. That there aren't 8 days in a week means the "8 weeks, 8 days" fall apart and just feels so poorly written. It just a baffling thing to get wrong.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
While I don't like how the WE are, as said above, being flanderized with their new line, the article itself doesn't bother me that much. The Chaos obsession with numerology is universal, with the number seven coming up all the time when it comes to the Death Guard, and the Thousand Sons using nine in tons of stuff. I think that it shows how potent symbology is for Chaos and how Chaos followers work it into almost everything they do. As for stuff like the Blood Stalkers and the 66th, while we so far don't see anything like that in the upcoming codex, this article might be hinting at future releases.

The problem is in this case, they've been so eager to shove in more numerology stuff that they didn't actually think it through. That there aren't 8 days in a week means the "8 weeks, 8 days" fall apart and just feels so poorly written. It just a baffling thing to get wrong.

But 8 weeks and 8 days is also 64 days, which is 8 times 8 days It's dumb, but multilevel dumb.

Suggesting that a GW writer forgot there are seven days in a week seems rather far-fetched. The "otherwise known as nine weeks etc etc" was probably the first thing the nearest colleague said to them.

Numerology aside, it seems there is a significant discrepancy between this lore article and the tabletop rules. I know there is some discussion as to how long a game turn takes exactly, but I'm not sure a little over 2 months is a realistic option.

JSG wrote:
Suggesting that a GW writer forgot there are seven days in a week seems rather far-fetched. The "otherwise known as nine weeks etc etc" was probably the first thing the nearest colleague said to them.

And yet they still somehow thought it works in the format given.

Crispy78 wrote:
Numerology aside, it seems there is a significant discrepancy between this lore article and the tabletop rules. I know there is some discussion as to how long a game turn takes exactly, but I'm not sure a little over 2 months is a realistic option.

Everything is possible with Primarch Crayon and his legion of Paste Eaters.

It's just a stupid ''our stuff is cool, buy our stuff''-pseudoarticle, don't overthink it.

Angron stuff from the article was meh. Felt like filler because they had to post something for the day. Was very interested in sub faction talk, even if it is just a few bits without rules support. Better having them in the fluff and not in rules than not having them anywhere. And hey, at least not absolutely all the fluff has been reduced to one dimension.

JSG wrote:
Suggesting that a GW writer forgot there are seven days in a week seems rather far-fetched. The "otherwise known as nine weeks etc etc" was probably the first thing the nearest colleague said to them.

I can't believe someone didn't go "just use 88 days instead, it looks less......insert banter of choice"

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
And hey, at least not absolutely all the fluff has been reduced to one dimension.

The rules on the other hand...

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
They could, but this is GW we are talking about

Yup. The same gw that gives WE access to the full gamut of generic Legion ranged units in the HH Legion arsenal. This isn't a "gw issue,". It's a "9th edition gw issue". There's rules writers at gw who don't have this flanderized view of WE . They just write for a different game, but still a gw game nonetheless.

The 40K Legions are a far cry from the HH Legions. You are talking about before the fall marines compared to 10K years of Khrone degradation.

It is a pity they decided better options for this release where the 8-Bound and Khorne cultist rather than Bloodstalkers.

10k years also gives a lot of room for the evolution of said forces but instead, there's just been a bad reduction.
At least with Thousand Sons and Death Guard certain removals can be sort of explained. For example, I can understand Raptors or Warp Talons not being in the Psychic Robot or heavy slow dude Legions as they don't fit as well with the aesthetic or tactics of each army. But why are there no Havocs or a Havoc equivalent?
The same thing goes for WE with Raptors/Talons. Why would a dedicated CQC unit with rocket packs designed to get the user closer to the enemy not be in the army dedicated to CQC?
I don't think splitting the God Legions out was a bad idea it's just been poorly executed. Tsons are bland with far too much of the Arcanites mixed in from AoS and WE are just pathetic. At least DG got a lot of stuff even if the army lost some CSM units.

What bothers me is that it isn't just WE, it's Khorne. He's been reduced to such a shallow aspect and I don't find it much enjoyable compared to literally any of the others.

At least Daemons still have Skullcannons for 40k and Blades for AoS get cool characters and stuff.
I mean the Skullgrinder is easily my favourite. The weaponsmith of the Bloodbound who carries their anvil into battle on a big chain to smash enemies with it. So cool.

 Gert wrote:
I don't think splitting the God Legions out was a bad idea it's just been poorly executed.

I think there's a big plaque on a wall at GWHQ that says "Great Ideas. Terrible Execution". It's displayed prominently and centrally, and repeated at every team meeting at every level as it is clearly one of the company's core design principles.

I love the idea of Cult-specific Codices, but they've taken so much away that it hardly seems worth it. Filling the 1kSons with Beastmen was a cop-out, but at least it was on point. Nurgle got a bunch of unique vehicles, which was a nice touch, and heaps of characters. All WE seem to be getting is a massive reduction in available units. I fear for the Emperor's Children.

And then, in the same damned building, we have the AoS god-specific books... and they're great! Why is there always such a disconnect between studios at that place?

Honestly, I couldn't tell you. I met people from both teams a few years ago and they seemed exactly the same in terms of enthusiasm. Probably due to Chaos in AoS being pretty vaguely associated with just humans in general, whereas with 40k it's primarily Space Marines that take the starring role. AoS having a subgame largely dedicated just to Chaos Warbands also helps a lot and then with the additions from Underworlds, there is a lot of character to the armies.
40k just doesn't have that. Sure there are human Cultists and mutants like Beastmen but there's nothing really special about various Cults other than what God they worship. With AoS you have Gods, Realms, and other random weirdness like the Tarantulos Brood.
I think it also helps that there is a lot of army building freedom when it comes to AoS. For the God-aligned armies you can run full mortals, full Daemons, or a mix of the two all while adding a few units in from StD. And with Slaves, you can add in God-aligned units or build armies that fit some pretty cool themes, like with an entire army of just Warcry Warbands and monsters.