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Bob Lorgar wrote:
This is all nice and good, but seems like a general complaint discussion rather than World Eaters news or rumors.

Well, given that the Codex came out today, there are no actual rumours left to discuss, I guess.

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Players were breaking the game long before subfactions LMAO, give it a rest

Never the less can you refute that subfaction rules end up just being a "I take the best one" situation for most?

I'm sure it was a total coincidence that all of a sudden every Raven Guard army had a load of Centurions in it when their Chapter trait made them OP totally fluffy...

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Bob Lorgar wrote:
This is all nice and good, but seems like a general complaint discussion rather than World Eaters news or rumors.

Well, given that the Codex came out today, there are no actual rumours left to discuss, I guess.

There's still the release date for the Combat Patrol, at least.

Hopefully second wave model rumours at some point too.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Bob Lorgar wrote:
This is all nice and good, but seems like a general complaint discussion rather than World Eaters news or rumors.

Well, given that the Codex came out today, there are no actual rumours left to discuss, I guess.

There's still the release date for the Combat Patrol, at least.

So, other half of the Guard next, then the WE CP week following?

 Shakalooloo wrote:


So, other half of the Guard next, then the WE CP week following?

A week apart is unlikely as they typically don't like back to back releases for the same game. I think we'll either see both CPs dropping together at the end of Feb, or only Guard's set will and WE will be end of March.

Dudeface wrote:
Never the less can you refute that subfaction rules end up just being a "I take the best one" situation for most?

He doesn't have to refute it. You have to prove it.

EightFoldPath wrote:
Hopefully second wave model rumours at some point too.

That would require an entirely new Codex, which means we're a ways away from that. I expect to see the second half of the NotSquats first, and EC.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Players were breaking the game long before subfactions LMAO, give it a rest

Never the less can you refute that subfaction rules end up just being a "I take the best one" situation for most?

I'm sure it was a total coincidence that all of a sudden every Raven Guard army had a load of Centurions in it when their Chapter trait made them OP totally fluffy...

Do Raven Guard never need to conduct siege operations or use durable units to hold a position? Ever? Guess they should get rid of those Terminators and Aggressors too!

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Players were breaking the game long before subfactions LMAO, give it a rest

Never the less can you refute that subfaction rules end up just being a "I take the best one" situation for most?

I'm sure it was a total coincidence that all of a sudden every Raven Guard army had a load of Centurions in it when their Chapter trait made them OP totally fluffy...

Do Raven Guard never need to conduct siege operations or use durable units to hold a position? Ever? Guess they should get rid of those Terminators and Aggressors too!

Feels like the point flew right over your head, but keep flexing that hyperbole muscle.

Anyway, book is out, units are out, just waiting on combat patrol iirc, what else is there to discuss?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Never the less can you refute that subfaction rules end up just being a "I take the best one" situation for most?

He doesn't have to refute it. You have to prove it.

That's easy though, they placed the mono faction purity bonus in to restrict subfactions due to armies like sisters flip floping between units and detachments, such as the valorous heart exorcist taken with bloody rose repentia, because the subfactions could easily boost intended best fit units.

Recent AoO changes saw a slew of people waging bets on which marine chapter would come out best and suddenly there's an uptick in iron hands lists and results.

EviscerationPlague themselves provided an example historically of people flocking to use all flavours of marines as space wolves as they were the best subfaction alongside claiming everyone should be free to use the best subfaction.

Every book release review boils down to "which subfaction is most competitively viable", because that's what most people expect from them.

Can't do that with world eaters, their strength and units viability is based off the unit and the army wide rules, which is refreshing.

Either way, I'll bow out.

You haven't proven the "situation for most" part of your statement at all.

And none of it is a reason to remove subfactions.

Just totally random indeed best subfactions are used. Just random after being barely seem iron hands(which dont even have black armour) are the ones you see most bar some dark angels.

Removed - rule #1

Is it possible for you to make a post on a topic without insulting people, tneva?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

EightFoldPath wrote:
Hopefully second wave model rumours at some point too.

That would require an entirely new Codex, which means we're a ways away from that. I expect to see the second half of the NotSquats first, and EC.

I am expecting second wave Votann and World Eaters to be accompanied with shiny new codexes that will invalidate the first codex within 12 months of release Lumineth style.

Removed - rule #1

tneva82 wrote:
Just totally random indeed best subfactions are used. Just random after being barely seem iron hands(which dont even have black armour) are the ones you see most bar some dark angels.

Nobody can be stupid enough to believe that.

You're shouting at the sky on this one. Frequent tournament players and tryhards (a substantial minority) are the only ones who relentlessly chase the meta to try and achieve maximum theoretical list power. For everyone else subfaction is just a choice, no different to choosing plasma guns over grenade launchers or imperial marines over chaos marines.

Back to WE news and rumours - if there is indeed a 2nd wave, how far out do you think it is and what are likely candidates? So far it's most odd that there isn't an inhuman troops choice (beastmen?) a unique daemon engine, or a unique terminator unit like the other cult legions received. Beyond that, berzerker surgeons have been mentioned in just about every fluff article.

I think there won't be beastmen, as Jakhals are in that slot.

My expectations are new unique blood versions of:
Terminators, Terminator Lord, Bikers, Biker Lord (low chance), Jump Packs, Jump Pack Lord (low chance), Daemon Engine, Slaughterbrute from AoS.

Not all from the list and like you said maybe some unexpected new one off character models.

It feels at some point they must produce a new dreadnought kit for Chaos. Maybe the play is a single dread that can be built one way for CSM then upgraded to a DG/TS/WE/EC specific version and this is waiting for EC. Perhaps the CAD file is sitting in whatever purgatory the new Aspect Warrior CAD files are in though.

The Arks of Omen Angron book mentions bat-winged daemons flying alongside of Helldrakes and "swarming" Navy fighters at one point.

Might be they port over the Furies from AoS/WarCry?

Hopefully in 10th they just reverse cutting them from the Daemons codex.

If they also added Raptoryx as a CSM unit in 10th that would make the kit make more sense as a 40k kit.

Hey folks, warnings and suspensions have been issued, can we please resume discussion, be polite and not fling insults at one another? That would be great.