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Hello everyone,

Directly to my 2 questions:

In the Liber Astartes book are traitor warlord traits for 6 of the 9 loyalist legions ...
ultramarines, blood angels, white scars, iron hands, raven guard and salamanders
Is there any official lore about it (books, audios, ...) ??
Somehow i am very curios about it ... especially at ultramarines, iron hands, salamanders and blood angels.

And secondly ... what is a nemesis bolter ??
Are there any sources about it ... is this the pattern the knights errant use ??
I just found out that you can equip veteran squads with it. And somehow i think they are really broken ( rulewise ... sniper, rending 3+ AND 72 INCH RANGE !)


Thx in advance

Saftsack wrote:
In the Liber Astartes book are traitor warlord traits for 6 of the 9 loyalist legions ...
ultramarines, blood angels, white scars, iron hands, raven guard and salamanders
Is there any official lore about it (books, audios, ...) ??
Somehow i am very curios about it ... especially at ultramarines, iron hands, salamanders and blood angels.

The White Scars, Raven Guard, and Iron Hands have all had mention of Horus-aligned elements in the past. The White Scars had a little civil war over their Legion's loyalty in fact (as seen in Scars by Chris Wraight), many Terran Raven Guard who were exiled by Corax returned and fought for Horus, and a group of Iron Hands saw the death of Ferrus Manus as a reason to follow the most powerful Primarch (i.e. Horus).
The Ultramarines trait is called Pride's Dark Power and is intended to represent, not necessarily Ultramarines who turned against Guilliman but more groups who saw the Heresy as a chance to put the Legion in a position of power in any Imperium that emerged from the conflict.
The Blood Angels trait is called Thrall of the Red Thirst and is pretty self-explanatory from the name.
The Salamanders one seems to just be Salamanders that turned Traitor. No Legion was truly safe from the divides wrought by the Heresy.

And secondly ... what is a nemesis bolter ??
Are there any sources about it ... is this the pattern the knights errant use ??
I just found out that you can equip veteran squads with it. And somehow i think they are really broken ( rulewise ... sniper, rending 3+ AND 72 INCH RANGE !)

It's essentially a precursor to the Bolters used by Sternguard in 40k.
As for rules you're missing some vital bits. Nemesis Bolters do have Sniper, Pinning and 72" range but they are Heavy and are Rending (5+) not (3+), and they also cost 10pts each. The most important point here is that it is a Heavy weapon, meaning you can't move and shoot at full BS.

 Gert wrote:

It's essentially a precursor to the Bolters used by Sternguard in 40k.

That would be Seeker Bolters, not Nemesis Bolters. Nemesis Bolters are just sniper Bolters.

And secondly ... what is a nemesis bolter ??
Are there any sources about it ... is this the pattern the knights errant use ??
I just found out that you can equip veteran squads with it. And somehow i think they are really broken ( rulewise ... sniper, rending 3+ AND 72 INCH RANGE !)

It's essentially a precursor to the Bolters used by Sternguard in 40k.
As for rules you're missing some vital bits. Nemesis Bolters do have Sniper, Pinning and 72" range but they are Heavy and are Rending (5+) not (3+), and they also cost 10pts each. The most important point here is that it is a Heavy weapon, meaning you can't move and shoot at full BS.

The forgeworld horus heresy books go into a lot of details exploring loyalist elements of traitor legions and (less so) traitorous elements of loyalist legions.

 LazzurusMan wrote:

And secondly ... what is a nemesis bolter ??
Are there any sources about it ... is this the pattern the knights errant use ??
I just found out that you can equip veteran squads with it. And somehow i think they are really broken ( rulewise ... sniper, rending 3+ AND 72 INCH RANGE !)

It's essentially a precursor to the Bolters used by Sternguard in 40k.
As for rules you're missing some vital bits. Nemesis Bolters do have Sniper, Pinning and 72" range but they are Heavy and are Rending (5+) not (3+), and they also cost 10pts each. The most important point here is that it is a Heavy weapon, meaning you can't move and shoot at full BS.

Veterans have relentless, which I'm pretty sure negates the heavy rule.

Bobug wrote:

 LazzurusMan wrote:

Veterans have relentless, which I'm pretty sure negates the heavy rule.

It does, but a veteran squad with sniper rifles is very expensive and also can't score. They're really not as strong as you'd think. Definitely a cool unit though

You can stick a Legion Standard in there or take them in Pride of the Legion to give them Line.

Indeed you can. Always an option