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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/08/08 16:04:14
Subject: Rites of Coalescence
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Hey team, quick question (hopefully)
Playing against a 1k sons army and they had Scarab Occult Terminators. Every time I killed 1 model in the unit he would bring them back with Rites of Coalescence alone because the rules state "...another model in this model's unit regains all lost wounds."
I interpret this as a heal for models still alive and not a revive for a model in the unit. But he interprets it heals or revives if all others are on max wounds. I haven't been able to see anywhere saying it can't revive.
Is this ability up to interpretation or is it set in stone that it can/can't revive.
Thanks
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/08/08 17:00:18
Subject: Re:Rites of Coalescence
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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yhea, nah. thats not right.
I dont have a rules citation to say that, beyond a basic "show me where it says you CAN do that..." attidude of every other rez being explict in its ability to bring models back onto the table (like, for example, the tsons power "time flux").
but thats not correct. rites can only heal the wounded guy in your squad, not rez a dusted scarab.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/08/08 17:05:04
Subject: Rites of Coalescence
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Morphing Obliterator
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BigShotBeale wrote:Playing against a 1k sons army and they had Scarab Occult Terminators. Every time I killed 1 model in the unit he would bring them back with Rites of Coalescence alone because the rules state "...another model in this model's unit regains all lost wounds."
Yeah, as stated above, that's cheating. The psychic power for Cult of Time will bring back one of them, but Rites will only restore wounds to one that is at less than max wounds.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/08/08 17:27:01
Subject: Rites of Coalescence
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Arch Magos w/ 4 Meg of RAM
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TwinPoleTheory wrote:
Yeah, as stated above, that's cheating. The psychic power for Cult of Time will bring back one of them, but Rites will only restore wounds to one that is at less than max wounds.
sigh... cheating requires intent, their Opponent very well mightve misunderstood the rule because of a poor grasp of the rules
Rites of Coalescence: In your Command phase, another model in this model's unit regains all lost wounds.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/08/08 17:27:08
Subject: Re:Rites of Coalescence
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Fixture of Dakka
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xerxeskingofking wrote:yhea, nah. thats not right.
I dont have a rules citation to say that, beyond a basic "show me where it says you CAN do that..." attidude of every other rez being explict in its ability to bring models back onto the table (like, for example, the tsons power "time flux").
but thats not correct. rites can only heal the wounded guy in your squad, not rez a dusted scarab.
Xerxes sounds correct. However, for the life of me I can't find "Rites of Coalescence" anywhere in my Thousand Sons codex. Was this a Horus Heresy game? Was "Rites of Coalescence" a psychic power or something else? (Probably outting my complete lack of experience with my Thousand Sons.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/08/08 17:28:35
Subject: Re:Rites of Coalescence
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yea a dead model is not *in* the unit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/08/08 17:35:45
Subject: Re:Rites of Coalescence
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Arch Magos w/ 4 Meg of RAM
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Wyldhunt wrote:xerxeskingofking wrote:yhea, nah. thats not right.
I dont have a rules citation to say that, beyond a basic "show me where it says you CAN do that..." attidude of every other rez being explict in its ability to bring models back onto the table (like, for example, the tsons power "time flux").
but thats not correct. rites can only heal the wounded guy in your squad, not rez a dusted scarab.
Xerxes sounds correct. However, for the life of me I can't find "Rites of Coalescence" anywhere in my Thousand Sons codex. Was this a Horus Heresy game? Was "Rites of Coalescence" a psychic power or something else? (Probably outting my complete lack of experience with my Thousand Sons.)
Legion Command upgrade for Scarab Occults
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/08/08 19:18:08
Subject: Rites of Coalescence
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Morphing Obliterator
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VladimirHerzog wrote:sigh... cheating requires intent, their Opponent very well mightve misunderstood the rule because of a poor grasp of the rules
Very true, sometimes my cynicism shines through. I'll modify that to probably intending to cheat, as the wording is pretty clear and personally I've never read it to intend anything different.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/08/08 21:22:48
Subject: Rites of Coalescence
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Implacable Skitarii
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It could quite possibly be someone who watched too many YouTube videos where the unit had Rites of Coalesence and also used the Warped Regenaeration stratagem (which allows you to regenerate a dead model in a unit if there is not a wounded model) , and/ or the Time Flux psychic power and did not clearly understand which of the rules was being used.
I know I've read several posts online talking about making sure you take rites of coalesence so you can bring back Scarabs, and the posters seemed to just assume everyone was familiar with all the details. (to clarify - using rites of coalesence to make sure you have no wounded Scarab when you use Warped Regeneration.
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