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Just looking at the AOS boxes reminds me just how hit or miss AOS is for me in general, to perfectly honest it's mostly miss. I don't think that I've been a fan of many of the armies specifically released for it, especially Sigmarines or the army of bedsheets. Not making a regular human army was a big mistake IMHO.

RE 40k, I might pick up the Custodes, or even the Imperial Fists if I decide that I don't quite have enough piles of shame in the house

I get rather unreasonably excited waiting for these boxes to reveal any year, given that they're just a bit of a saving on kits that you can already buy anyway. Still, it's a nice thing to wait for and speculate on. They've really taken me by surprise by including so many named characters, that's a bit out of the ordinary from previous years. I wonder if that's a deliberate strategy to aim them more at people starting a new army, rather than existing collectors looking to expand their army on the (relative) cheap, since I can't imagine many Death Guard players don't have Mortarion, etc.

Largely I was hoping for an Eldar box, so I'm rather disappointed, but practically it's probably a good thing given I'm trying to work my way through my shame pile rather than adding to it. Might be tempted by Knights, but I shall try to resist.

As ever, I'm sure they're all a good deal if you happen to want the selection of minis they've included!

With the big character figures in the 40K one I thought for a few miniutes a Vampire Courts set with the minis needed for the Cursed City expansions might actually be viable after all, but nope.

If the knight one doesn't have the sprues to make 4 of either variant, it just got a lot worse.

I think the IF upgrade box only has enough for 15 marines right, it’s a shame if thats the reason we only got the heavy intercessors in it.
Since I really think a full unit of normal ones would have help the box a lot :9

 Egyptian Space Zombie wrote:
If the knight one doesn't have the sprues to make 4 of either variant, it just got a lot worse.

Most models are made to go on one casting block. Even if there are 2 or 3 sprue in the box, you can often see the gates on the sides of the sprue where they connect together into one object and its just divided into parts to fit into the box in a sane way. So when GW casts a model you get all the bits of that model which all go into the box; otherwise GW would have to waste resources casting parts and then have those parts broken up and recycled. Which they can do at their factory, but its still a waste over just putting all the parts in the box

Apple fox wrote:
I think the IF upgrade box only has enough for 15 marines right, it’s a shame if thats the reason we only got the heavy intercessors in it.
Since I really think a full unit of normal ones would have help the box a lot :9

Worse, it only has 6 pads for Gravis armor(4 regular and 2 sgts) vs the 18 Gravis models in the box.

 Overread wrote:

 Egyptian Space Zombie wrote:
If the knight one doesn't have the sprues to make 4 of either variant, it just got a lot worse.

Most models are made to go on one casting block. Even if there are 2 or 3 sprue in the box, you can often see the gates on the sides of the sprue where they connect together into one object and its just divided into parts to fit into the box in a sane way. So when GW casts a model you get all the bits of that model which all go into the box; otherwise GW would have to waste resources casting parts and then have those parts broken up and recycled. Which they can do at their factory, but its still a waste over just putting all the parts in the box

It's separate weapon sprues, like the two Deimos Predators. Used to come in separate boxes, were combined last update cycle as a stealth price hike.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Just looking at the AOS boxes reminds me just how hit or miss AOS is for me in general, to perfectly honest it's mostly miss. I don't think that I've been a fan of many of the armies specifically released for it, especially Sigmarines or the army of bedsheets. Not making a regular human army was a big mistake IMHO.

RE 40k, I might pick up the Custodes, or even the Imperial Fists if I decide that I don't quite have enough piles of shame in the house

Complains about not having a regular human army, buys two non-regular non-human armies. SMH.


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 alextroy wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
The sisters one could have been interesting. If it had anything other than Vell in it.

Damnit GW. I actually need everything in this box. It's not like you can have enough Battle Sisters.

I don't really NEED anything out of it. I still have several boxes of unbuilt BSS, haven't built my original suits, already have a pretty decently painted Morvenn Vahl, and don't really use sacresants that much anymore.

Absolutely getting the box though.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
I think the IF upgrade box only has enough for 15 marines right, it’s a shame if thats the reason we only got the heavy intercessors in it.
Since I really think a full unit of normal ones would have help the box a lot :9

Worse, it only has 6 pads for Gravis armor(4 regular and 2 sgts) vs the 18 Gravis models in the box.

Why would they do that!
It’s just adding a bunch of extra cost then.

That Sisters box is pretty much tailor made for me, I have no Nundams, I didn't get Vahl yet, and can use more of everything else.

I feel bad about the Raven Guard box though. Reivers? Blech.

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Hmm, that Legion of Grief boxed set is pretty tempting for a painting project. Lots of fun stuff in there that I could probably bang out in a week.

Is this how GW gets me to finally abandon Oldhammer and finally try AOS?

Why abandon oldhammer? Why not just ADD Aos to your games list?

 John Prins wrote:
That Sisters box is pretty much tailor made for me, I have no Nundams, I didn't get Vahl yet, and can use more of everything else.

I feel bad about the Raven Guard box though. Reivers? Blech.

I think the reivers are due to some fell pact GW made with the ruinous powers. If they don’t include some at least once a year as part of a bundle deal, the board’s souls are forfeit.

Little surprised there isn’t a nid box with some genestealers. Did they already fulfill their bargain on them this year?

Apple fox wrote:
Why would they do that!
It’s just adding a bunch of extra cost then.

What cost? These things are pretty much free. Small upgrade sprue costs very little to cast, I still remember grabbing old terminators because Deathwatch box of these came with three DW sprues to fit all termies giving you a small mountain of pads for regular PA. They really should have gone and included 6 of them (or 7, if they treated idiotic 'wrong pad' nonsense they slap Phobos with seriously) to not look greedy...

 John Prins wrote:
I feel bad about the Raven Guard box though. Reivers? Blech.

Meh, at least converting them to Infiltrators is trivial. 5 old SM helmets and you're good to go. Still sad seeing one of the best SM models of the last 15 years hobbled by incompetent rule writers though

And if you want to feel bad for RG, note these apparently don't come with upgrade sprue - just because Phobos arm is slightly different and we can't have people using wrong parts, eh? Same reason why Phobos kits in SC/CP boxes don't have them, even though Phobos in fluff is the exact same thing as Mk X, only with different plate configuration

I was legit going to buy everything in the Stormcast ones expect the dragons, so its a easy yes from me! The AoS offerings have blown 40k out of the water this year!

That Skaven box has a load of our WHFB players eyeing it up for both 6th ed WHFB and AoS on base converters

ERJAK wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Just looking at the AOS boxes reminds me just how hit or miss AOS is for me in general, to perfectly honest it's mostly miss. I don't think that I've been a fan of many of the armies specifically released for it, especially Sigmarines or the army of bedsheets. Not making a regular human army was a big mistake IMHO.

RE 40k, I might pick up the Custodes, or even the Imperial Fists if I decide that I don't quite have enough piles of shame in the house

Complains about not having a regular human army, buys two non-regular non-human armies. SMH.

That's right, because 40K and AOS are exactly the same thing aren't they?

And I definitely said that I was only interested in "regular human" armies, didn't I?

And Custodes and Space Marines don't look anything like human beings do they?

I mean, what was the point in your comment? Utterly, utterly bizarre.

I mean, it's a touch odd to pick up the custards and then say you don't like the Stormcast when if you paint them both gold, they're not a massive stones throw away from each other visually.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I mean, it's a touch odd to pick up the custards and then say you don't like the Stormcast when if you paint them both gold, they're not a massive stones throw away from each other visually.

Is it?

You think that everybody who likes Custodes must also like Stormcast?

Have you seen my Custodes?

Do you understand that a person can have different tastes for a fantasy setting compared to a sci fi setting?

Sure, just seems odd when they're reasonably close visually and pure human. Probably more so than marines/custards.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Sure, just seems odd when they're reasonably close visually and pure human. Probably more so than marines/custards.

Maybe there are some crossed wires here.

I never said anything about only liking human armies, I just lamented the lack of a new human army in AOS. Erjak inferred something very different from my comment.

I don't like Stormcast for many reasons, those reasons don't include armour in general or the colour of it.

I feel like we are getting off-track, so I'll leave it there.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Sure, just seems odd when they're reasonably close visually and pure human. Probably more so than marines/custards.

I play 40k...and back in the day loved my WFB armies too.

Often thought about buying AOS...if nothing else for painting and maybe a game here and there.

Something about those Humans (stormcast are they?) just turn me off the game so much. Always thought they were horrible....but each to their own. Feel like some kind of Superhero army...bit like Wonder Womans amazon lot to me.

Not a patch imo on the old world stuff. This AOS setting setting does absolutely nothing for me....takes me away from it feeling like a fantasy 'real' setting.

Apple fox wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
I think the IF upgrade box only has enough for 15 marines right, it’s a shame if thats the reason we only got the heavy intercessors in it.
Since I really think a full unit of normal ones would have help the box a lot :9

Worse, it only has 6 pads for Gravis armor(4 regular and 2 sgts) vs the 18 Gravis models in the box.

Why would they do that!
It’s just adding a bunch of extra cost then.

Since apparently it comes with one copy of the upgrade set, which is to say two sprues and two transfer sheets, you'll have six sculpted chapter badges, ten infantry transfers and four vehicle transfers that are small enough to fit a shoulder pad. So twenty chapter badges for your eighteen Marines.

At a guess GW wants to push the discount of the box by throwing in the upgrade set for easy comparison, as people wouldn't value transfer sheets alone and would therefore arrive at a smaller discount than the other boxes. And they want to cheap out and not throw in enough plastic upgrades for the whole force because the upgrade sprue was conceived at a time when Gravis was three man supplementary units instead of five man mainstays, and you would need six of them if you don't care about the Sergeant pads going on normal Marines, or seven if you do. Which would then invite a comparison to the individually sold upgrade set and give the Imperial Fists box a larger discount than the other boxes that don't make use of upgrade sets.

For comparison, GW provided enough upgrade sprues for the Supremacy Force a couple of years back as that had fifteen regular Marines and three Gravis (and a Captain, not sure if the model takes other shoulder pads but if it does, there are enough leftovers for him as well), so there was a lot less waste than the couple of dozen shoulder pads you'd have left over if GW wasn't cheap with this year's box.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

I never said anything about only liking human armies, I just lamented the lack of a new human army in AOS.

Should be one coming next year with the Dawnbringer Crusades!

 judgedoug wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

I never said anything about only liking human armies, I just lamented the lack of a new human army in AOS.

Should be one coming next year with the Dawnbringer Crusades!

Oh really? That sounds interesting

I hadn't heard about that, I hope it's something that leans into the more traditional fantasy human style of Brets/Empire rather than Stormcast.

They've previewed some gubbinz from it (skulls, adornments, other decorative stuff) and weapons. Looks very Empire (except the guns look like they backstepped the tech), though not sure what the uniforms or armor will look like yet.

Its a ways off yet- they've compared the previews to the way they did the ~18 months or so of Sisters of Battle previews.

Bits first, then weapons:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/05/revealed-the-massive-project-to-put-mortals-back-into-mortal-realms/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/09/16/dawnbringer-previews-your-first-look-at-the-arsenal-of-the-cities-of-sigmar/

Thanks, I have no idea how I missed those weapon previews.

The weapons do look very nice, definitely a step in the right direction

Think I'll get an Imperial Guard Army Box instead

Super tempted by the Imperial Knights box...I need more Armigers, and I suppose I could use a 4th Knight...

But also the Daughters of Khaine box...I already have way too many of them, but it is a good deal.

On the AoS side, the Stormcast one is tempting, but for the fact that Vigilors are trash. The models are cool though, and they might get an adjustment to make them not trash in the future. The other stuff is all pretty good for me; I don't currently own any Vanquishers or a Knight-Relictor, and I only have 2 dragon riders, so those would all be good adds (don't have any Vigilors either, so they are, at least, new to me), and I could always use a few more Grandhammer Annihilators.

I also find the Sisters battleforce to be useful. I have plenty of the other kits, and no Paragons. I was going to just buy three Paragons, should I be talked out of getting six?