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 herjan1987 wrote:
I run a small news page for Warhammer The old World and one of my followers, who was at Adepticon said the following information about the game:

The smallest base size will be 25 mm

Tomb Kings skeletons, horse riders, chariots are comming back, aswell as Bretonnian men-at-arms, long bowmen and plastic knight kit.

Stater set will be Tomb Kings vs Bretonnians

And there are going to be new models aswell for both sides


This is said to be coming from some UK sources, that he was talking to.

Tomb Kings skeletons coming back would completely ruin any interest I have in them. Well, old kits for both, really. There’s a reason I didn’t start either of them when WHFB was still around, because they still had a lot of old models. That was like 10+ years ago.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 herjan1987 wrote:
I run a small news page for Warhammer The old World and one of my followers, who was at Adepticon said the following information about the game:

The smallest base size will be 25 mm

Tomb Kings skeletons, horse riders, chariots are comming back, aswell as Bretonnian men-at-arms, long bowmen and plastic knight kit.

Stater set will be Tomb Kings vs Bretonnians

And there are going to be new models aswell for both sides


This is said to be coming from some UK sources, that he was talking to.

Tomb Kings skeletons coming back would completely ruin any interest I have in them. Well, old kits for both, really. There’s a reason I didn’t start either of them when WHFB was still around, because they still had a lot of old models. That was like 10+ years ago.

Surely this means new plastics for those listed kits. We already seen the knights' helms.

Maybe MTOs for the old kits for people who want to expand their old armies?

Chikout wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 herjan1987 wrote:
I run a small news page for Warhammer The old World and one of my followers, who was at Adepticon said the following information about the game:

The smallest base size will be 25 mm

Tomb Kings skeletons, horse riders, chariots are comming back, aswell as Bretonnian men-at-arms, long bowmen and plastic knight kit.

Stater set will be Tomb Kings vs Bretonnians

And there are going to be new models aswell for both sides


This is said to be coming from some UK sources, that he was talking to.

Tomb Kings skeletons coming back would completely ruin any interest I have in them. Well, old kits for both, really. There’s a reason I didn’t start either of them when WHFB was still around, because they still had a lot of old models. That was like 10+ years ago.

Surely this means new plastics for those listed kits. We already seen the knights' helms.

Yep, no way are they bringing these old disgusting kits back. That would kill tow in the egg

 nathan2004 wrote:
I just read on another rumor site that it’s projected to drop in November/December time frame. Interesting.

I said it before, but it bears repeating: they'd be fools if they did not drop at least one box or a collectors edition book this year, as it is WHFBs 40th birthday. Even if the actual bulk of TOW releases much later next year, that's just an easy extra selling point to pick up, especially for christmas sales.

Nah, I'm counting on the aftermarket to be glutted with older kits as people move on to upgrade their forces. Once it's glutted, the prices will have to get competitive again. THEN is when I'll swoop in and get a Bret army.

If the no smaller than 25mm square is true, then IF I wind up playing Old World it will be solely with the models I have that already have 25mm bases. Unless, of course, those units get moved to 32mm or something asinine in which case I'll either find a group that isn't bothered by the smaller bases or I'll simply stick with 6th.


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 streetsamurai wrote:

Chikout wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 herjan1987 wrote:
I run a small news page for Warhammer The old World and one of my followers, who was at Adepticon said the following information about the game:

The smallest base size will be 25 mm

Tomb Kings skeletons, horse riders, chariots are comming back, aswell as Bretonnian men-at-arms, long bowmen and plastic knight kit.

Stater set will be Tomb Kings vs Bretonnians

And there are going to be new models aswell for both sides


This is said to be coming from some UK sources, that he was talking to.

Tomb Kings skeletons coming back would completely ruin any interest I have in them. Well, old kits for both, really. There’s a reason I didn’t start either of them when WHFB was still around, because they still had a lot of old models. That was like 10+ years ago.

Surely this means new plastics for those listed kits. We already seen the knights' helms.

Yep, no way are they bringing these old disgusting kits back. That would kill tow in the egg

Not everybody agrees with you about the quality of the older kits. ESPECIALLY the Brets who didn't have a bad plastic set at all.

Feel the Bret/TK starter "rumours" are just people going "look, they've shown new plastic, QED." And to be fair - it would seem strange for them to make and show them if they aren't planning on releasing them early on in the process.

But it just seems a weird choice for the starter.

I'd also be incredibly surprised if they brought back kits from 20~ years ago. Agree with those who think this would kill off the system before it even began.

 herjan1987 wrote:
I run a small news page for Warhammer The old World and one of my followers, who was at Adepticon said the following information about the game:
The smallest base size will be 25 mm

Well, if that's the case my (20mm square based) 400+ painted skeletons/zombies/ghouls, 300+ dwarves, 200+ goblins, etc, all tell GW that I'll be sticking with KoW.
No nostalgia money for you GW.

 Just Tony wrote:


Not everybody agrees with you about the quality of the older kits. ESPECIALLY the Brets who didn't have a bad plastic set at all.

As ever, the subjectivity is paramount; personal opinion on the Brets is that the sixth edition sets were largely rubbish and inferior to their fifth edition predecessors.

I think that the Men-at-arms and bowmen hold up pretty well, I wouldn't mind at all if the kits return.

I'd love to see new knights though...

Chikout wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 herjan1987 wrote:
I run a small news page for Warhammer The old World and one of my followers, who was at Adepticon said the following information about the game:

The smallest base size will be 25 mm

Tomb Kings skeletons, horse riders, chariots are comming back, aswell as Bretonnian men-at-arms, long bowmen and plastic knight kit.

Stater set will be Tomb Kings vs Bretonnians

And there are going to be new models aswell for both sides


This is said to be coming from some UK sources, that he was talking to.

Tomb Kings skeletons coming back would completely ruin any interest I have in them. Well, old kits for both, really. There’s a reason I didn’t start either of them when WHFB was still around, because they still had a lot of old models. That was like 10+ years ago.

Surely this means new plastics for those listed kits. We already seen the knights' helms.

I certainly hope so. ‘Coming back’ made me think returning kits.

I'm expecting is tomb guard era molds being reused and everything older than that to be redesigned, at least the core infantry and chariots.

Brets vs Tomb Kings strike me as a plausible starter for a couple of reasons:

- They provide a strong visual contrast
- Neither looks like anything AoS-related
- Both are in big demand on the WHFB second-hand market
- We have seen actual renders

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I think that the Men-at-arms and bowmen hold up pretty well, I wouldn't mind at all if the kits return.

I'd love to see new knights though...

Of course with new kits comes for sure new kit prices. Just have to hope # of models needed isn't much bigger than AOS then with 10 models for 45€(or more) prices.

tneva82 wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I think that the Men-at-arms and bowmen hold up pretty well, I wouldn't mind at all if the kits return.

I'd love to see new knights though...

Of course with new kits comes for sure new kit prices. Just have to hope # of models needed isn't much bigger than AOS then with 10 models for 45€(or more) prices.

Horus Heresy shows that GW is willing to do larger unit size infantry boxes which have higher sticker price translate to lower cost per model. See 10 man elite Terminators and 20 man infantry squads. Old World could do the same.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Well, if that's the case my (20mm square based) 400+ painted skeletons/zombies/ghouls, 300+ dwarves, 200+ goblins, etc, all tell GW that I'll be sticking with KoW.
No nostalgia money for you GW.

This is the correct response. Everyone who moved on to other games after WHFB, don't for god's sake fall for GW telling you it's got a new hat.

What if we just want the new hat (ie, new plastic toys to paint)?

Or like, you know, just play using your models on the old bases. It's not like James workshop is going to show up and cast your models into the void for a 5mm difference in diameter

 herjan1987 wrote:
I run a small news page for Warhammer The old World and one of my followers, who was at Adepticon said the following information about the game:

The smallest base size will be 25 mm

So our old minis on their old bases will still be obsolete then.

This isn't exactly blowing up my kilt, so to speak.

A starter set of Bretonnia and Tomb Kings would be a bit odd, that sounds like something that's been said just because those are the 2 things we've seen first.

What's wrong with movement trays?

Keep your models on 20mm bases, put them on trays that give 4 of them a frontage of 100mm.

I don't understand the folks on here that say bringing back old kits is going to kill TOW...Making the old kits made to order is great for the folks (and clearly they are out there given the second hand market) who want to fill out/complete their army(armies) without having to pay out the teeth for it. Those who aren't fond of the old kits can just ignore the MtO and get the rules if they want to try the game out and wait for the new kits to drop. Which we all know will come....how is this a bad thing?

Bobug wrote:
Or like, you know, just play using your models on the old bases. It's not like James workshop is going to show up and cast your models into the void for a 5mm difference in diameter

This. If there are any base rules at all, it will most likely be "the ones the models came with". But I doubt even that will make it in considering GW hasn't done a base size rule or chart for nearly 2 decades.

Bobug wrote:
Or like, you know, just play using your models on the old bases. It's not like James workshop is going to show up and cast your models into the void for a 5mm difference in diameter

Squares a rectangles don't have diameters

 Just Tony wrote:

Bobug wrote:
Or like, you know, just play using your models on the old bases. It's not like James workshop is going to show up and cast your models into the void for a 5mm difference in diameter

Squares a rectangles don't have diameters

Have an exalt

 nathan2004 wrote:
I don't understand the folks on here that say bringing back old kits is going to kill TOW...Making the old kits made to order is great for the folks (and clearly they are out there given the second hand market) who want to fill out/complete their army(armies) without having to pay out the teeth for it. Those who aren't fond of the old kits can just ignore the MtO and get the rules if they want to try the game out and wait for the new kits to drop. Which we all know will come....how is this a bad thing?

I can’t speak for others but you’re talking about bringing them back for a made to order (fine by me) where as I (hopefully mis)read the rumour as in bringing the old kits back permanently. The old kits were already the reason I didn’t do TK in 7th/8th edition.

Bobug wrote:
Or like, you know, just play using your models on the old bases. It's not like James workshop is going to show up and cast your models into the void for a 5mm difference in diameter

The problem is base size is pretty important in the game so it can make a big difference if one player has old base standards and the other has new standards.

As someone with a lot of models on 20s / 25s rebasing will be a non starter, as will having to stop and work out how the base difference has effected the rules interactions every template, spell, moving, combat etc. so I don’t think it’s unreasonable for people to be worried about this ‘subtle’ change.

I did like the movement tray suggestion someone made up-thread - though you'd probably need multiple trays per unit to allow for different formations.

I think a lot of us that have existing collections face a rebasing dilemma if they change base size, be very interesting to see how this is handled hopefully through movement trays.

That way it doesn't stomp on new players collections and allows stuff that's more dynamic to be ported over if players wish from AoS on larger bases. I think this makes the most sense.

 nathan2004 wrote:
I don't understand the folks on here that say bringing back old kits is going to kill TOW...Making the old kits made to order is great for the folks (and clearly they are out there given the second hand market) who want to fill out/complete their army(armies) without having to pay out the teeth for it. Those who aren't fond of the old kits can just ignore the MtO and get the rules if they want to try the game out and wait for the new kits to drop. Which we all know will come....how is this a bad thing?

You invent idea of mto. Rumour didn't say mto.

What people are objecting is old kits put to shelf. You want tomb king skeletons, you buy the old kit.

The problem is that the tomb kings skeleton kit was literally the fourth ed skeleton kit with a shield sprue thrown in. It was never very good and the wear on the die was beginning to show even then. By the end of WFB, it was nearly impossible to build due to tiny contact points being obscured by mould slips. If that particular pair of dies still exists, I shudder to think how bad fresh casts out of it will be.