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I think it would be a great model if it was released in 2004. It just isn't doing very much for me today.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Since these will all be digital now any weird proportions will likely be shared by all the Bretonians (unless this one is actually a hunchback or similar)

so it's probably a combination of an unflattering angle, extra large helm and (oldhammer proportions ?) that's making him look a bit odd

Having Bretonnia have a whole load of hunchback knights would be hilarious

If the whole Old World situation doesn't scream nostalgia cash grab i don't know what is.

Another update/preview that barely teveals anything. I wonder when well see tje first new plastic kit for this game (of theres any, im starting to doubt it)

Tyel wrote:
I think it would be a great model if it was released in 2004. It just isn't doing very much for me today.

this is the one from 6th edition (with a different head, but the best picture from the side I found) https://www.coolminiornot.com/108718

not even in 2004 this would have been a good model als GW made better ones back than

have to say I have a Bretonnian BSB and don't feel the need to rush out to get that as a replacement

 kodos wrote:

Tyel wrote:
I think it would be a great model if it was released in 2004. It just isn't doing very much for me today.

this is the one from 6th edition (with a different head, but the best picture from the side I found) https://www.coolminiornot.com/108718

not even in 2004 this would have been a good model als GW made better ones back than

Here it is without the changes or the excellent paintjob:



This new miniature is worse just how?

you mean except from the rider and the horse being a different scale and the proportions of the rider being off

there are also less details, like the banner and icons are just painted and not sculpted

the figure on the helm looks better, and the casting quality of the resin model is better over the metal one

dunno if the new one is "worse", I do know its not "better" enough to make me want one

I specifically like the old one for its banner being a different orientation to the unit banners

The new rider to horse ratio is definitely an improvement in my book.

 kodos wrote:
there are also less details, like the banner and icons are just painted and not sculpted

Empty fields are better than sculpted banners. That's what transfers are for and it allows for greater hobby freedom with regards to heraldry and the such.

 Gert wrote:

 kodos wrote:
there are also less details, like the banner and icons are just painted and not sculpted

Empty fields are better than sculpted banners. That's what transfers are for and it allows for greater hobby freedom with regards to heraldry and the such.

pretty much nail on head, sculpted stuff is nice as an option, but there should always be a plain version included

The new BSB definitely looks hunched over to me. The old BSB is sitting up tall in the saddle.

I'll grant the details issue, but one isn't going to notice the details so readily from across the table. One will be able to notice the difference between the BSB who is riding tall and proud, and the other lazily slouching down...

This has dragged so badly that Mantic can simply point out that you can play Kings of War right now to market their game.
They did it in response to the original square base announcement too and it's hard to say it's too soon to do it again.

 Gert wrote:

 kodos wrote:
there are also less details, like the banner and icons are just painted and not sculpted

Empty fields are better than sculpted banners. That's what transfers are for and it allows for greater hobby freedom with regards to heraldry and the such.

I guess this is why people hunt down sculpted shoulder pads for Marines or sculpted banners, because everyone likes to paint free hands or things that decals are easy to apply (if available as the BS won't come with its own decal sheet)

 kodos wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 kodos wrote:
there are also less details, like the banner and icons are just painted and not sculpted

Empty fields are better than sculpted banners. That's what transfers are for and it allows for greater hobby freedom with regards to heraldry and the such.

I guess this is why people hunt down sculpted shoulder pads for Marines or sculpted banners, because everyone likes to paint free hands or things that decals are easy to apply (if available as the BS won't come with its own decal sheet)

Oh right, because shoulder pads on individual marines armour that someone will have an entire armies worth of are totally comparable to the flag of a standard bearer

you are right, you cannot compare that because there are decals for the shoulder pads of the army available that come with the box while there are non for the banner

so arguing better having free space for non existing decals is a little off
and it is way easier to replace the sculpted banner with a clear one if you want to add free hands, than to add sculpted banner (as those who are good enough to make that free hand won't struggle to add a clean one, while those who are not good enough in painting won't be able to sculpt it either)

but I guess this is because it is a GW model and therefore must be the best model out there
as if anyone here would have considered this a good sculpt if any other company would have released it

There was always the option of including both a sculpted and non-sculpted banner in the box. It's a resin kit so the cost of tooling is low, and it would be a flat component so minimal impact on box space.
Obviously remains to be seen if GW went for the option.

As for the sculpt itself, I honestly and sincerely believe that the limited edition BSB from the 2004 army set is a better model.

 kodos wrote:

but I guess this is because it is a GW model and therefore must be the best model out there
as if anyone here would have considered this a good sculpt if any other company would have released it

You're being absurdly hyperbolic now. The sculpt is fine. There's nothing egregiously bad about it that makes it as terrible as you're making out.

Mozzamanx wrote:

Obviously remains to be seen if GW went for the option.

TBH, if there were options, they would have showed it like the previous preview on the paladin on foot.

I wouldn't count too much of having another version of a sculpted banner in the box of this miniature.

Otherwise, the sculpt is indeed fine. Less details is good from time to time. Like all sculpts, it's just a matter of personnal taste. Kodos like Mantic Games miniatures, so he's already fine with low detail or out of proportions miniatures. Real question is the price this one will be sold and if it will be worth it. So far, we don't know, so no point to get outraged for now.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
You're being absurdly hyperbolic now. The sculpt is fine. There's nothing egregiously bad about it that makes it as terrible as you're making out.

the sculpt is ok, I just said GW made better ones in 2004 and if you think the old sculpts are worse than this, you won't have much fun with TOW as GW is re-releasing the old ones along this

People can like multiple things chief. My HH Iron Warriors have everything from 2nd Ed Rhinos to 2022 plastic Mk6s. You can appreciate the new sculpts while also liking the classic stuff.

 kodos wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
You're being absurdly hyperbolic now. The sculpt is fine. There's nothing egregiously bad about it that makes it as terrible as you're making out.

the sculpt is ok, I just said GW made better ones in 2004 and if you think the old sculpts are worse than this, you won't have much fun with TOW as GW is re-releasing the old ones along this

No, you didn't "just" say that. You said it's a bad sculpt that people only say they like due to it having the GW name on it, so it they just like it because brand loyalty.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

No, you didn't "just" say that. You said it's a bad sculpt that people only say they like due to it having the GW name on it, so it they just like it because brand loyalty.

well:

 kodos wrote:
not even in 2004 this would have been a good model als GW made better ones back than

than there was the response that this one is superior to the old ones for "reasons" and no I cannot follow this as neither does the new one is modeled to match the old sculpt as some will argue, nor das it fit the classic Warhammer design

and "being off and clumsy" was not the classic design of 6th/7th

 kodos wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

No, you didn't "just" say that. You said it's a bad sculpt that people only say they like due to it having the GW name on it, so it they just like it because brand loyalty.

well:

 kodos wrote:
not even in 2004 this would have been a good model als GW made better ones back than

than there was the response that this one is superior to the old ones for "reasons" and no I cannot follow this as neither does the new one is modeled to match the old sculpt as some will argue, nor das it fit the classic Warhammer design

and "being off and clumsy" was not the classic design of 6th/7th

And you then went on to say that it's a bad sculpt that people only say they like because brand loyalty:

 kodos wrote:

but I guess this is because it is a GW model and therefore must be the best model out there
as if anyone here would have considered this a good sculpt if any other company would have released it

The sculpt is fine. There is nothing as bad about it as you're making out, it's fine to prefer the older version but acting like it's an outright terrible sculpt that people only say is alright because its a GW mini is absurd.

I thought only the pesentry was deformed? Or are they giving the presents magnificent stallions now.

The Old World project is a nostalgia game. Since they clearly stated they will release old plastic kits at the time of the end of Warhammer Battle (Bretonnia in particular), it should be a given the new sculpts will have to take into account what was made before, but with new methods / other sculptors than at that time. There's unavoidably another interpretation of the representated model, and thus subtle differences even with some similarities.

Criticizing that is being blind to that reality, IMHO.

Its not a great model IMO and I'll probably stick with the old model, but I don't understand a lot of peoples anger. Not everything needs to be reacted to only with extreme pleasure or vitriol.

Sasorijap wrote:
If the whole Old World situation doesn't scream nostalgia cash grab i don't know what is.

Have you seen the HH range!!! GW has been monetising nostalgia for while, and it’s great!

Andykp wrote:

Sasorijap wrote:
If the whole Old World situation doesn't scream nostalgia cash grab i don't know what is.

Have you seen the HH range!!! GW has been monetising nostalgia for while, and it’s great!

If you ask the right forum pundits, it's a dead game that gets deader whit every single one of its frequent, high profile releases