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 kodos wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
2k has generally allowed dragons before evee when big monsters restricted. Don't see changing.

yeah, were heroes were restricted by numbers, while with the points restriction is is different
you cannot have a 600 point hero model at 2k when there is 25% restriction, even if there is no limit on monsters

and there was a reason why 3k was the standard during that time, people bought a dragon and they wanted to use them

When it's been points it was generally 50%.

I took dragons in 2k at editions 5-8 at least.

Huh, I didn't think about it but Brets actually has some models that could hold to age.

Now to paint that well.

Time to dust off the Joust game, again.

 Sotahullu wrote:

Spoiler:

Huh, I didn't think about it but Brets actually has some models that could hold to age.

Now to paint that well.

Bretonnians still look very good in a vacuum, they just suffer alongside more modern sculpts

tneva82 wrote:

 kodos wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
2k has generally allowed dragons before evee when big monsters restricted. Don't see changing.

yeah, were heroes were restricted by numbers, while with the points restriction is is different
you cannot have a 600 point hero model at 2k when there is 25% restriction, even if there is no limit on monsters

and there was a reason why 3k was the standard during that time, people bought a dragon and they wanted to use them

When it's been points it was generally 50%.

I took dragons in 2k at editions 5-8 at least.

6-7th it was slots based - 4 characters of which 1 could be a Lord, with a dragon taking up an extra hero slot (as did the most powerful characters).

So you could take a Lord on dragon regardless of points and still have 2 hero slots left.

It was only Zacharius who took everything up.

Seems influencers are starting to receive review material judging by some FB posts I've seen

Hmmm wonder what that means if influencers are starting to get materials...like rules or models or both?

 nathan2004 wrote:
Hmmm wonder what that means if influencers are starting to get materials...like rules or models or both?

It means time for some juicy leaks, look at new minis and very likely that release window around early February.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Skywave wrote:

 Sotahullu wrote:
I actually wonder why you can build Tomb King on foot if Priest is on Crocodile (it is!) but not the otherway around.

I think it's simply because the king is standing in the howdah on the dragon, so the pose is the same on the ground (with different arms), while the liche is sitting on a chair, thus cannot really be used on foot but nothing stopping him to bring his chair with him to rest on the battlefield!).

A chapter master, a fat Genestealer and even another liche did it before, so why not?

Spoiler:

While it can be as simple as that, you could add some style and use the spare scarabs from the sphinx kit (or 3rd party if there are any, or 3D prints if that's more your thing) to add a carpet of scarabs around the chair so it's entirely plausible that he can move without the inconvenience of getting out of his chair.

And let's not forget this "hero"

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F1urt61ggbv9a1.gif

 nathan2004 wrote:
Hmmm wonder what that means if influencers are starting to get materials...like rules or models or both?

Most likely they are sent the whole box like we got linked a few pages ago. So Models +rules for review a few weeks early so they can paint them up too.

Lord Zarkov wrote:

6-7th it was slots based - 4 characters of which 1 could be a Lord, with a dragon taking up an extra hero slot (as did the most powerful characters).

So you could take a Lord on dragon regardless of points and still have 2 hero slots left.

It was only Zacharius who took everything up.

I think Malekith took all four slots, as well.

There was even a character who took up two Lord slots, but I'm having trouble recalling who.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

I think Malekith took all four slots, as well.

There was even a character who took up two Lord slots, but I'm having trouble recalling who.

IIRC Malekith was 3 slots (1 Lord, two Hero), but I might be misremembering.

Lord Zarkov wrote:


IIRC Malekith was 3 slots (1 Lord, two Hero), but I might be misremembering.

I was able to double-check my copy - Lord and three Heroes.

And it was Valten Exalted that took two lords.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

I was able to double-check my copy - Lord and three Heroes.

And it was Valten Exalted that took two lords.

Settra

Well, at least people got the old Tomb King and Bretonnua models they always wanted to bought back when. If game sells well will probably be new models eventually.

 Tim the Biovore wrote:

 Sotahullu wrote:

Spoiler:

Huh, I didn't think about it but Brets actually has some models that could hold to age.

Now to paint that well.

Bretonnians still look very good in a vacuum, they just suffer alongside more modern sculpts

^^^^ this

they are ok, I have a load, and some earlier ones, what they lack is some of the sharper details of modern sculpts and the more detailed trim elements and finer structures some newer models have.

not after silly fine, breakable, bits but a bit more dynamic for some would be nice to bring them to more modern standards

same with the infantry, they have redone characters and brought in the much needed foot knights finally and I have my doubts how well its all going to look side by side as I suspect the newer ones will look decades ahead of them


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 triplegrim wrote:
Well, at least people got the old Tomb King and Bretonnua models they always wanted to bought back when. If game sells well will probably be new models eventually.

hopefully, shift enough of the older ones to justify some new ones, in the hope people will then buy them..

but more likely some more models that are newer stuff with slightly more fantastical elements that make older models or historical proxies etc a bit harder. Ethereal archers for Bretonnia anyone, hinted at in the 8th edition rulebook

leopard wrote:

^^^^ this

they are ok, I have a load, and some earlier ones, what they lack is some of the sharper details of modern sculpts and the more detailed trim elements and finer structures some newer models have.

not after silly fine, breakable, bits but a bit more dynamic for some would be nice to bring them to more modern standards

same with the infantry, they have redone characters and brought in the much needed foot knights finally and I have my doubts how well its all going to look side by side as I suspect the newer ones will look decades ahead of them

Semi-related rant, but it always bothered me quite a bit that the 6th ed knights kit didn't have a few couched lance arm position, especially after I found out that 5th ed ones had them.

Other than that, they were always one of my favorite Warhammer plastic kits of all time, and I never even played Bretonnia (until right now).

Would've bought a great deal of them if Highlands miniatures hadn't released their Gallia range which closely follows GW aesthetic but has better details, proportions and poses. Still gonna buy a crapload of GW peasants though, as they're by far my favorite option.

So when will GW finaly rename 'The Old World' to 'Bretonnia simulator'?
It feels like half the players will be Bretonnia players.

WorldEdgePlayer wrote:
So when will GW finaly rename 'The Old World' to 'Bretonnia simulator'?
It feels like half the players will be Bretonnia players.

The best ending.

Jokes aside, I'm the only Bret player from the people who've expressed interest in playing (and who already have armies) in my circle. There's also an Empire player, Delf, Vampire, O&G, and two dwarfs. I'm also planning on getting TK once the newer stuff becomes available, and will be printing spearmen/archers/cav/chariots.

WorldEdgePlayer wrote:
So when will GW finaly rename 'The Old World' to 'Bretonnia simulator'?
It feels like half the players will be Bretonnia players.

Nothing will Chang. Bret’s will surge at first due to being human but once summer hits and the empire box comes out, they will be the most played faction. Then probably high elves.

You know, if it wasn't for players paying stupid ridiculous money for OOP stuff on ebay right now, then we may not have had these two as our starters.

WorldEdgePlayer wrote:
So when will GW finaly rename 'The Old World' to 'Bretonnia simulator'?
It feels like half the players will be Bretonnia players.

Well while bretonnia is half the supported armies beyond legend like units no surprise

TBH if the skellies were newer, nicer models I'd be tempted to get that starter box, I've got all the Brets I'll ever need really but I'd have been up for a TK army

but not with ancient models at modern prices

Nah, got actually some Beastmen that didn't make to AoS. Largely unassembled and not painted.

Those dressed ponies make better as sausages and those ugly castles and villages will fall under the hooves!

to be fair we dont know what the pricing will be. I think most of us were surprised byhow generous the pricing on HH ended up being. How would we feel about the Tomb Kings box set if the price comes in at the same point as the Age of Darkness box?

Personally I probably still wouldnt buy it, price per mini might be highly competitive but I dont think I want those ancient as skeleton sculpts. The crocodragon isnt cool enough on its own to sway me otherwise.

chaos0xomega wrote:
to be fair we dont know what the pricing will be. I think most of us were surprised byhow generous the pricing on HH ended up being. How would we feel about the Tomb Kings box set if the price comes in at the same point as the Age of Darkness box?

Personally I probably still wouldnt buy it, price per mini might be highly competitive but I dont think I want those ancient as skeleton sculpts. The crocodragon isnt cool enough on its own to sway me otherwise.

I think you managed to talk yourself out of your own point by the end there lol but unless it's 40 skellies for £40 or otherwise £1 per mini at most then imo it'll be a bad deal when you factor in how bad some of these minis are by todays standards.

You also hit the problem that we do have current day points of reference. Night goblins are £27.50 for 20, which are presumably also going to be contemporary old world minis. So if tomb kings skeletons are also £27.50 for 20, that sucks. If they are cheaper, does that mean GW will be forced to make gloomspite gitz cheaper?

Well expect it is not going to be 20 but 32 guys.

yes and no - I think the tomb kings mini range is gak and you probably could not pay me to take them... the Bretonnian box I could be convinced on, so long as they don't put a unit of pegasus knights in the box. If they do (and they very likely will), thats a deal breaker.

The peasant archers and men at arms are fine kits and I have no issues with them, and the knight kit is serviceable, especially if the eventual foot knight kit comes with enough extra bits to spruce them up a bit - I could make do with them until an eventual replacement comes out (would probably downgrade them to errants at that point and move on with the new kit as knights of the realm).

Pegasus knights though? Why on earth would I want to use those ugly old things alongside a brand new gorgeous hero on pegasus sculpt that not only dwarfs them in size but also blows them away in aesthetic quality?

Dudeface wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
to be fair we dont know what the pricing will be. I think most of us were surprised byhow generous the pricing on HH ended up being. How would we feel about the Tomb Kings box set if the price comes in at the same point as the Age of Darkness box?

Personally I probably still wouldnt buy it, price per mini might be highly competitive but I dont think I want those ancient as skeleton sculpts. The crocodragon isnt cool enough on its own to sway me otherwise.

I think you managed to talk yourself out of your own point by the end there lol but unless it's 40 skellies for £40 or otherwise £1 per mini at most then imo it'll be a bad deal when you factor in how bad some of these minis are by todays standards.

You also hit the problem that we do have current day points of reference. Night goblins are £27.50 for 20, which are presumably also going to be contemporary old world minis. So if tomb kings skeletons are also £27.50 for 20, that sucks. If they are cheaper, does that mean GW will be forced to make gloomspite gitz cheaper?

Price per model will be cheaper than gitz due to more models in box. We already know bret archers come in 32.

Like how stormcast became cheaper. Model count doubled, price upped but less than double.